Allie as ESFp

[discojoe]

My first thought was that she reminded me of Garmonbozia, and then I looked again and couldn't figure out why, because they don't look alike at all. My next thought was that she has a bit of an Angelina Jolie look to her - her eyes and the shape of her chin + the dark hair, she just doesn't have the huge lips. Younger pictures of Jolie they look more similar. Type "young angelina jolie" into google image search. But I really don't do VI much or well, so putting a type to a photo. . . eh.

No, you're right. She does look a lot like those two, and it's more than just her individual physical features.

[Gilly]

I agree, Diana; I have said multiple times that Allie resembles Jolie significantly.

[Lotus]

I tried hard to think of which types would come to my mind from that picture if I did not know who it was.

My thoughts were:

- Se/Ni quadra
- probably not LSI, SLE

Which leaves 6 types: EIE, IEI, ESI, LIE, ILI, SEE

Obs: I am not typing "Allie" -- those are "my VI impressions from the person in that picture".

Thank you for giving an unbiased impression. Now what types seem probable when you do connect me with the picture?

It's the "doe eyes," the shape of the face, the general demeanor of demureness combined with withheld tension and occasional "bursts" of assertiveness/emotionality.

I don't withhold tension nor do I "burst".

My first thought was that she reminded me of Garmonbozia, and then I looked again and couldn't figure out why, because they don't look alike at all. My next thought was that she has a bit of an Angelina Jolie look to her - her eyes and the shape of her chin + the dark hair, she just doesn't have the huge lips. Younger pictures of Jolie they look more similar. Type "young angelina jolie" into google image search. But I really don't do VI much or well, so putting a type to a photo. . . eh.

Yeah, they really look a lot alike, I noticed that too

Significant or just physical similarity?

No, you're right. She does look a lot like those two, and it's more than just her individual physical features.

What else is it? Type-related?

I agree, Diana; I have said multiple times that Allie resembles Jolie significantly.

Eh, not really.

[Satan]

Whilst looking for disturbing porn to send Nick I found this picture, that reminded me of you...

[strrrng]

lmao @ "when I was looking for disturbing porn to send nick"

[Expat]

Thank you for giving an unbiased impression. Now what types seem probable when you do connect me with the picture?

The problem is that I haven't interacted with you enough, nor observed you enough, to reach an independent judgment on your type. What I have glimpsed of your occasional self-descriptions points to different directions imo.

Having said that, I think that Beta NF > Gamma.

Now, obviously, if you type yourself (assuming you do) as "Se-ISFj" according to "model X" (or variations thereof) - a model in which none of the people in this forum who I type as Gamma are Gamma (as in, niffweed, myself, etc etc), then the real issue is how we understand the types, rather than types of individuals. Otherwise we might well be speaking in different languages.

[discojoe]

She's INFp.

[FDG]

I think an SF typing is a much better fit than an NF one for Allie. She may be slightly similar to garmonbozia in terms of physical appearance (but not as much as AJ), however the similarity between her behavior and usual topics of conversations and the behavior and topics of conversations characteristic of INFps isn't strong, in my opinion - I'm mostly speaking about the chat because I haven't followed many of her posts - except those with jellyfish

[Expat]

Yes, but if Garmonbozia's precise style of conversations, topics, etc etc are to be taken as "benchmark" for INFp, then who else in this forum would be INFp?

[implied]

Yes, but if Garmonbozia's precise style of conversations, topics, etc etc are to be taken as "benchmark" for INFp, then who else in this forum would be INFp?

crazedrat, for one. can't think of anyone else who really reminds me of garmonbozia.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[implied]

quick question, what is jolie usually typed as, and why?

her type seems to be a can of worms. she's ISTp because she has strong emotions and INFp because she has strong emotions. she's Fe because she's into charitable causes and not Fe because she's into charitable causes.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[implied]

okay, nevermind on that then. I do think that it's more than just physical resemblance between her and Allie though.
Link: http://www.anvari.org/cols/Young_Angelina_Jolie.html But I guess that doesn't help in typing her any VI-wise, I thought it might.

0_o i agree completely. i thought the similarity was there but wow, looking at the pictures, i agree.

[Khamelion]

SEE's don't exist anyway.

[crazedrat]

this thread is retarded, this forum is retarded, life is retarded, and we need to commit mass suicide.

[Khamelion]

this thread is retarded, this forum is retarded, life is retarded, and we need to commit mass suicide.

something like that

[Warlord]

Complimenting women on their looks over the internet is lame and creepy.

Yeah I agree.

And if the persons intention was "just to be nice". Then they also should have been kind enough to also read this:

I honestly hate posting photos. Please don't make me regret it.

Which probably means that the picture was posted for VI purposes only. Not to get compliments about her looks, among other things.

[Ezra]

Allie, can you be SEE instead please? It would make my life less complicated, and it would be better. ESI sucks balls.

[jason_m]

I wouldn't recommend typing someone purely by V.I. Maybe Allie could read a few relevant descriptions to a close family member or non-Internet friend, and see what they think. That cleared up some confusion with me.

Jason

[crazedrat]

it is not necessary , because she acts and thinks exactly like an ISFj-Se does , and she also thinks she IS an ISFj-Se . Her intertype relations are also characteristic of ISFj-Se ; particularly her relations with Ashton , and you can see here her positive response to Expats approach to this issue . She also talks easily with Joy , as I have seen them on stickam together . The more you think she is another type , the more you are an idiot . end of discussion . NOW EVERYONE FUCK OFF AND DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Khamelion]

it is not necessary , because she acts and thinks exactly like an ISFj-Se does , and she also thinks she IS an ISFj-Se . Her intertype relations are also characteristic of ISFj-Se ; particularly her relations with Ashton , and you can see here her positive response to Expats approach to this issue . She also talks easily with Joy , as I have seen them on stickam together . The more you think she is another type , the more you are an idiot . end of discussion . NOW EVERYONE FUCK OFF AND DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i dont ever notice ANYONE not appreciate Expats' approaches to things. i don't even think i've seen anyone be pissed off with him, or something he's said, or how he's said it. how strangely diplomatic you manage to be Expat, congratulations

and Joy is easy to talk to. for people who aren't too stubborn towards new ideas and concepts that don't fit in their box anyway...


i don't really know how she acts online, except for distant. looking at by comparing to other ISFj's on the forum...i could easily group her with them. but...its the interweb.

its very common for people who have decided on their type and come to the forum to ACT like their type. as in...what their type is supposed to act like. prime example....aurora_faerie spewing her idea of Fe while thinking she was INFp. everyone accepts this as typical INFp behavior....however, i actually notice more ISFp's acting that way than INFp's. Fe or Ni, doesn't matter...I havn't seen one INFp on this forum act like that....to that extent....ugh...humiliating...but it's better to just laugh at it. The members I can think to compare that behavior too are Chibi and Bee.

[strrrng]

i dont ever notice ANYONE not appreciate Expats' approaches to things. i don't even think i've seen anyone be pissed off with him, or something he's said, or how he's said it. how strangely diplomatic you manage to be Expat, congratulations

You forgot me.

and Joy is easy to talk to. for people who aren't too stubborn towards new ideas and concepts that don't fit in their box anyway...

lol @ this.

[Khamelion]

You forgot me.



lol @ this.

i guess i haven't seen you get really hostile with him specifically or anything...but you're an angry young man you are...



a bit like krae....sorta except more organized. o_o


lol why are we loling @ that?

what i'm getting at is that she's pretty easy to get along with in normal conversation, as in... she's polite and generally civil and what not. i've always had a really hard time understanding what it is that bothers people about her. they always just say she's stupid or something like that....which doesn't explain anything to me. stubborn i can understand...yet, she really isn't for that long because she sort of just adapts to new information she gathers, which i guess can look like mind-changing. i suppose this might be annoying to someone who wants solidity primarily, but hardly anything IS solid, especially personality type theories.

also, my relationship with her isn't exactly based off of arguing about whether our ideas about a personality theory are right or wrong. we don't discuss socionics much at all really...so this source of friction is eliminated.

[strrrng]

a bit like krae....sorta except more organized. o_o

lol, so I've heard...except how am I more organized?

[FDG]

By the way, I still have not understood why complimenting women on their looks over the internet has negative flavor, unless you're Hugo.

[Expat]

By the way, I still have not understood why complimenting women on their looks over the internet has negative flavor, unless you're Hugo.

You've just answered your own question.

How would they know you're not [like] Hugo?

@Khamelion: BulletsandDoves has also said he dislikes the way I 'approach things', and some months ago a former poster, pesto, and Bionicgoat both agreed that I 'write some of the most offensive things in this forum'. So, it's not quite like that, but thanks.

as for 'its very common for people who have decided on their type and come to the forum to ACT like their type', that is a point that Allie also made elsewhere, but when asked for examples she only mentioned Gilly. Ok now you also mention yourself as an example I do hope that such cases remain the exceptions.

[Expat]

what i'm getting at is that she's pretty easy to get along with in normal conversation, as in... she's polite and generally civil and what not. i've always had a really hard time understanding what it is that bothers people about her. they always just say she's stupid or something like that....which doesn't explain anything to me. stubborn i can understand...yet, she really isn't for that long because she sort of just adapts to new information she gathers, which i guess can look like mind-changing. i suppose this might be annoying to someone who wants solidity primarily, but hardly anything IS solid, especially personality type theories.

What bothers some people about Joy is simply their total misunderstanding of her character and motivations, besides a sheer dislike of her supposed 'mind-changing'. I think that people with weak Ti, in particular, see that as disruptive to their own processing of ideas - as in, generating more doubts as to their forming clear ideas than they already have naturally. I can understand , intellectually, how such people would find her (former) high flow of posts with 'adaptation to new information' annoying; what I do NOT understand is the sheer hatred some people have developed and the viciousness with which they have expressed it, in particular Ashton, Jadae and Krae, and on occasion FDG. Intertype relationship difficulties is not a reason to hate anyone who hasn't done or meant anything wrong; being annoying is not a justification for viciousness in my book. Which is why I think that hatred is far more a reflection of those people's characters rather than anything Joy has ever said or done.

[Expat]

lol, so I've heard...except how am I more organized?

Rather than 'more organized', I would say 'less volatile'.

[Khamelion]

By the way, I still have not understood why complimenting women on their looks over the internet has negative flavor, unless you're Hugo.

I think Warlord made an excellent point on this.




I think it kind of all depends. Sometimes that is the purpose for a girl to post her picture...for feedback on her looks. But in this situation it was pretty clear that she doesn't enjoy having her picture picked over for her attractiveness, and was posting purely for VI purposes...scientific purpose if you will. Regardless if she got any secret or private enjoyment out of being complimented, it seems pretty certain that it's not her main goal to be approved of physically. At least not around here. This all the clearer when you take into account how she conducts herself around the forum, and in how she doesn't really ever show her picture at all.

I've shown pictures of myself purely because I think I look awesome or something and want to share, I'm not afraid to admit it. It can be fun, and I know how much I enjoy seeing everyones picture around here to put faces to the text so I figure I'm fulfilling this desire in others by showing myself too. Yet it IS dangerous. And I've never really thought of this before posting a picture...I do it recklessly and I should probably get more conservative. The interweb is dangerous....and I'm far too open, impulsive, and occasionally oblivious to consequences.


You know whats creepy? I have a story for you.

Once upon a time, my brother (at age 15-16ish) started getting myspace comments from this really attractive girl. They started talking more and more, and she said she was a model and went to school at a near-by school in my home state. The started talking on the phone for realllllly long periods of time, and everyday pretty much. She would tell him how much she liked him and he really loves this sort of attention. She was cutsie and all about it, and eventually went on to claim she loved him. This happened over the course of, I don't know....a month or so. What I was so confused about was why they had never gotten together in person, if they were so in love...and she lived right here in the state. She claimed to have a very wealthy father, who bought her a car I think. So I didn't see why she didnt just drive over. My brother told me she says she's nervous and what not...which again...didn't make sense (because she kept up this excuse for about another month) because she'd always say how much she loved him and how in love they were. When other girls would post on his myspace, she would bitch them out and tell them to leave her man alone or she would kick their asses etc etc. Threaten them essentially. She also used the excuse that her modeling had her traveling everywhere...and that her parents were having marital problems so she was going back and forth between her dad in my state, and her mom in Connecticut I think.

She had tonnnnssss of pictures on her myspace...and being the over-protective family member that I am...I of course added her right away (like I do with all my brothers girlfriends). I was pretty nice at first I think....I can't really remember what I said to her. So yeah, she had all these pictures and randomly added new ones. This girl was EXTREMELY attractive, let me stress. My brother isn't UNattracive, but he was definitely gawky at this stage and acne ridden But he's still good lookin. She would tell him how adorable he was and how hot he was etc etc all the time....and write these really really really freaking devoted myspace COMMENTS (public, yes) about how much she loved him. Like...really intense shit. Eventually I messaged her and I was angry (you know, maybe I never even really wrote to her making conversation...I was sitting on the fence...watching for a while). So I demanded to know what the fuck she was doing with my brother and who the fuck she was. (Her name was Brooke...I never heard any last names from my brother, not that I can remember). In addition to her pictures, she had this one of her holding a piece of paper that had "I <3 *brothers name*"....so apparently this was supposed to be proof that she was real or something? He made one for her too *eyeroll*

She had friends on her page, some of them would have profile pictures of themselves with HER in them. Another indicator that she was most likely real. At this point the rest of my family and I were all really fucking wary of what was going on...and weirded out...and confused. So we looked for signs of realness everywhere. I was the myspace spy since my dad doesn't really want to make one and shit like that.

Oh, yeah, so when I bitched her out (not something I normally do, so hostile, but she was fucking creeping me out and fucking with my brother so...death. She kept chickening out on meeting him. They would make plans...but then crazy ass shit would happen. First time she got in a car accident and broke her leg?!?1 She put pictures later....no broken leg...nonsense. She made plans to hang out on some day...and she FORGOT that she was elected to prom court?!?!?!? YEAH RIGHT. Then she was trying to tell him to move on or some nonsense...well....I randomly thought to look for the convo and here it is....

[Khamelion]

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Kelly
Date: 18 Jun 2007, 20:16


Either quit being a wuss and meet my damn brother in person like normal people do, or quite fucking with his head. It isn't right.

Regardless of your intentions, you are being ridiculous and I do not understand you in the least bit. You must have some severe emotional issues to be falling in "love" with random boys you see on the internet, getting them all hyped up, and never following through on the ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP, you know, SEEING each other? IN PERSON, *rolls eyes*...


FORGETTING about your prom?! wtf is that? Bullshit, if you are on prom court you don't forget about that shit.

This just doesn't make sense.


So pick one, meet him, or leave him alone.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: I'll give them something to talk about =D
Date: Jun 19, 2007 2:37 AM


yeah yeah yeah.
mhm.
what is it you wish me to tell him?
I love him for his personality.
But many times i have told him to just move on.
that i am not in the right state of mind.
There are a lot of things going on in my life.
And
I told him.
To move on.
And when i am readdy and better and right with all my probs.
I will go see him.
if it is to late
its to late.
its my own fault.
i know what my chances are.
and i don't want to hurt him at all.


----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Kelly
Date: 19 Jun 2007, 07:20


I....am so confused....

I suppose I believe you, that you care for him...but maybe telling him "I love you" all the time isn't going to get him to move on...? I'm surprised you don't notice this. If you give him the attention he will continue to fall for you and want you...thats common sense. You're toying with him by saying you don't want to be with him, but tell him you love him so much. You are saying, "I am so great and I love you because you are so great but...sorry you can't be with me because *whatever your real reason is*"

Maybe you should learn how to be more aware of your actions and how you effect others.

I'm sure you understand my taking the offensive on this, he IS my younger brother...

---------------------------Original Message----------------------------
From: I'll give them something to talk about =D


y life isnt..
you no there is nothing i can say to change your mind..
All i know is that i do love... him.
and he loves.. me..
He knows my life.
It isnt just
"oh i'm sorry.. i can't see you"
BECAUSE SOMETHING ALWAYS HAPPENS!!
Sometimes its my fault others its not.
I will take all the blame i don't give a f--k
Your his sister and i respect you.
Even today
right now i am talking to him..
He won't give up..
ANd i don't know what to do..
I love him so much..
Even if it is hard to believe i do..
I would die for him..
ITS JUST MY FUCKING PARENTS
MY FUCKING LIFE
You know.
i try so hard...
you know to get over my fucking fears
to be happy with him.
But it isnt that easy for me.
But..
He needs better..
And i try to tell him.
And i know everyone else in this world trys to tell him.
but.....
its so hard to let him go...
i love him..
so much....
but i need to do what is right for him
and..
i am not right for him
....

What I was so fucking confused about was she'd say that shit, like she was letting him go and leaving him alone...yet she was leaving huge intense confessions of love on his myspace and threatening every girl who commented severely....to kill them and shit. She'd get REALLY emotional about it too. Like...defending him...to keep him. It was just a game of some kind....


I don't have what I wrote back to that, sent mail is deleted after 14 days. Anyway so you can see why I was so damn confused...she acted so well apparently. So yeah....anyway....she got really upset obviously and so apparently I caused more turbulence between them. I think thats just bullshit, she just used that for more excuses.

The time after this got more fuzzy...I'm still not exactly sure what the story is...but my step sisters friend was over once, and she went to the school that "Brooke" claimed to go to....yet when she saw "Brookes" picture she said that wasn't that girls name. Her name was something else...and my step sisters friend knew about her in great depth...and she wasn't a model or anything that this "Brooke" claimed to be..yet those were the pictures of the real girl she knew (name escapes me).....

so basically someone was stealing pictures from this girls public photobucket, pretending to be her. She/he/it would also make alternate accounts to represent the "close friends" of "Brooke", using pictures of the actual girl and a friend. Then he/she/it would act all obsessed about random guys that she'd add. ALLLLLLL guys really...or girls who only comment on her pictures to tell her how beautiful she was. Seriously, no other substance than that. I really took the time to look through all the pictures to see if they said anything else. Same with the comments, barely any substance to them. ( I know, substance isn't very easy to find amongst teens sometimes...but this was just different...) And about the picture of her holding up my brothers name...I realized that could have easily been photo shopped, and must have been. This person would make bulletins going on about how she was jetting off to somewhere for a shoot here and there....and would constantly claim she was going to be famous. Even now, her myspace isn't technically deleted but her name is set as "Myspace - Deleleted" and her little top title you can still view says something like, "I WILL be famous some day!" >_>

What gets fuzzy is my brother went to this therepy sort of thing (my dad randomly put us in counseling because we're weird lol) and met some other girl....and someone she got put in the middle of this. When my brother talked about her, he would hint that it could be the girl pretending to be Brooke (because apparently she was obsessed with him while he was going there)...but then if one of us SAID it...he'd deny it up and down saying they didnt sound the same on the phone yadda yadda. And he story was always muddled...I'm thinking this was some kind of attempt to hid his embarrassment for falling for a fake person? But...my brother still has issues with not making his stories clear, for fear of being made fun of or critiqued too harshly. He's uber defensive and sensitive about any comment or even if you look at him funny....whether you even realized you looked at him or not, he'll react upset-like.


Long story eh?!?!? So in conclusion...the internet is creepy. Lock your photobuckets and shit. Don't let random, creepy sad people pretend to be you.

[Khamelion]

lol, so I've heard...except how am I more organized?

You're ideas....you actually form them better. To get your point across, own, express your disgust, and insult all at the same time. He just spews his insults and disgust for you mainly, without caring to give you any argument to prove you wrong or something.

[Khamelion]

You've just answered your own question.

How would they know you're not [like] Hugo?

@Khamelion: BulletsandDoves has also said he dislikes the way I 'approach things', and some months ago a former poster, pesto, and Bionicgoat both agreed that I 'write some of the most offensive things in this forum'. So, it's not quite like that, but thanks.

as for 'its very common for people who have decided on their type and come to the forum to ACT like their type', that is a point that Allie also made elsewhere, but when asked for examples she only mentioned Gilly. Ok now you also mention yourself as an example I do hope that such cases remain the exceptions.

i guess i just never notice anyone reacting to you, and have the same sentiment as I do with Joy....not understanding how you are offensive. Sounds insane to me....

guess im not as observant as i thought i was.


discojoe and joy did it too. projected themselves at ENTp, Fe valuers. Ive noticed this from looking back at my old posts randomly....and then seeing theirs.....I can't say I really tried to point out anyone else who did it....but I knoooow they had to of....I was just focusing on the people I knew well in this instance. But....no info to back me up so no reason to believe me right? Hm...

[Creepy-bg]

@Khamelion: BulletsandDoves has also said he dislikes the way I 'approach things', and some months ago a former poster, pesto, and Bionicgoat both agreed that I 'write some of the most offensive things in this forum'. So, it's not quite like that, but thanks.

lol I was high when I wrote that probably... don't take what people say so serriously (at least not alfas )

[Expat]

lol I was high when I wrote that probably... don't take what people say so serriously (at least not alfas )

Well if someone says, in a serious discussion, and insists on the point later, something like "Expat has said some of the most offensive things in this forum", how is that not to be taken seriously?

And if that was never meant to be taken seriously -- why say it? It's not as if it was said as an obvious joke, because it wasn't.

And if it was said just because it was what was felt at the moment -- why should I then take seriously anything that someone says?

Just saying how it looks like from my PoV.

[Creepy-bg]

Well if someone says, in a serious discussion, and insists on the point later, something like "Expat has said some of the most offensive things in this forum", how is that not to be taken seriously?

And if that was never meant to be taken seriously -- why say it? It's not as if it was said as an obvious joke, because it wasn't.

And if it was said just because it was what was felt at the moment -- why should I then take seriously anything that someone says?

Just saying how it looks like from my PoV.

that's how I felt at the time... not how I feel at the moment... if that's too complicated for you to handle then yes, go ahead and take nothing I say seriously. You're probably better off that way.

[crazedrat]

that is a fucking strange story khamelion

[Lotus]

The problem is that I haven't interacted with you enough, nor observed you enough, to reach an independent judgment on your type. What I have glimpsed of your occasional self-descriptions points to different directions imo.

One problem I have always had is writing self-descriptions. Whenever I read back over self-descriptions I notice that I always seem to be writing about my present state rather than who I am as a whole. It's inconvenient that I do not notice this until after I'm no longer in that state, when I am in a position to see a difference.

Having said that, I think that Beta NF > Gamma.

I don't think I'm Ni ego. Nor can I see myself as Se or Ti DSing. Also, I only seem to be able to spend extended amounts of time with Ni ego types. My best friend is an ESTp, but we end up arguing or something if we spend too much time together. I can only put up with her for about three days (max) without a break. I love her, but she's draining.

Now, obviously, if you type yourself (assuming you do) as "Se-ISFj" according to "model X" (or variations thereof) - a model in which none of the people in this forum who I type as Gamma are Gamma (as in, niffweed, myself, etc etc), then the real issue is how we understand the types, rather than types of individuals. Otherwise we might well be speaking in different languages.

I've considered that. Tbh, I'm not even using "model X" or any other model. I don't like models. My self-typing is pretty simple. I think I have and in my ego. Gamma XSFx. I'm torn between temperments though. EP and IJ are both static, which makes more sense for me. But, considering that I'm an E7w6 (the one typing I am certain of), there are flaws with each temperment. A 7w6 SEE would have much higher energy levels, etc. than I have. However, most people are telling me that a 7w6 IJ is impossible. This is where I'm confused. I feel like an IJ, but I know I'm 7w6 as well. I see both in myself yet somehow I have everyone telling me it is too contradictory to be a valid typing. Another issue is having as a leading function, when I feel that is more natural for me. Apparently "Se-ISFj" has as its leading function, but still maintains an IJ temperment. I thought this seemed appropriate for me. There's still the thing about IJ and 7w6 Enneagram, but perhaps its not an issue at all? I can see it in myself, so why is it not plausible?

I have to leave soon. That was a shitty explanation but I don't have time to add on to it and/or revise it right now. Unfortunately.

Portman is INFp. My best guess for Jolie is Te-creative and I agree Allie VI's similarly, especially to the later (...)

I have no idea what you are talking about.

She's INFp.

I highly doubt it.

I think an SF typing is a much better fit than an NF one for Allie. She may be slightly similar to garmonbozia in terms of physical appearance (but not as much as AJ), however the similarity between her behavior and usual topics of conversations and the behavior and topics of conversations characteristic of INFps isn't strong, in my opinion - I'm mostly speaking about the chat because I haven't followed many of her posts - except those with jellyfish

I agree. And also, I think most of the INFps on this forum are opposed to the possibility of me being their identical. We don't relate

Allie, can you be SEE instead please? It would make my life less complicated, and it would be better. ESI sucks balls.

I want to be whatever type I truly am. As long as its my real type, I couldn't care less what that type's name is. I'm still the same person, regardless.

I wouldn't recommend typing someone purely by V.I.

It's not purely by VI. Most of these people have been reading my posts or talking to me on Stickam for a while now.

[Expat]

Another issue is having as a leading function, when I feel that is more natural for me. Apparently "Se-ISFj" has as its leading function, but still maintains an IJ temperment. I thought this seemed appropriate for me. There's still the thing about IJ and 7w6 Enneagram, but perhaps its not an issue at all? I can see it in myself, so why is it not plausible?

A "Se-ISFj" with as leading function only exists in model X (what I have seen of it). If you are a 7w6 and identify with , then I would guess that the easiest solution (in model A) is that you are SEE and the identification with IJ is incorret. However, this:

One problem I have always had is writing self-descriptions. Whenever I read back over self-descriptions I notice that I always seem to be writing about my present state rather than who I am as a whole. It's inconvenient that I do not notice this until after I'm no longer in that state, when I am in a position to see a difference.

In my view, that is very non-ISFj since they (whichever subtype, which in my own understanding plays a minor role) they have a very clear view of who they are as a role - that is essential for dominants since it is the static perception of themselves, and others, that is the base of their (equally static) connections with others.

*shrugs* in the end, all models are imperfect reflections of reality. I can't really say why a model that says that it's more likely for you to be a "SEE 7w6 who somehow appears IJ" is better than one that says "Se-ISFj 7w6 but still dominant".

I have a question: do you have strong views on individuals here? People whom you clearly like, or dislike, and once formed, those views tend to remain more or less unchanged, unless something drastic happens? I mean views like "that girl is a good person" or "that guy is a contemptible asshole". In my own understanding of ISFjs, that is very characteristic of them.

[strrrng]

@kelly: that was a crazy story :/