Betas, do not get good reps, both in the forum and in the real world. but i have to ask myself this, which four other types other than the ENFj-INFp-ESTP-ISTJ can have total devotion to the things they do, changed the world in the process, and shown love and loyality more so than the other quardra? YES, we can have a sense of arrogances to outsiders, we can be the deepest loyalist self-scarfricing and even conqueors of the world, but this deepest nature of extreme is often misunderstood, when we look at ourselves deep inside we are totally different people than what is just appear to be, yet we give so much effort to fix this world, mind asking ourselves what we get in return, nothing, because we just dont see the world the same as others. Yet, we dont see ourselves as special. We knew all along that the world is not fit for us, we try harder and harder and break down, then we suffer more.