sometimes when a person is showing their shadow side they will seem like a vulnerable version of their dual. ive had this happen to me twice in real life so far, where i once typed an ILI as SEE and another time where i typed an LIE as ESI . i think this person is LSE
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what is the persons type niffweed
Yes, I am curious as well. If you have some insight that we don't, please do share.Originally Posted by crazedrat
From the writing style, I'd have guessed this person to be Ashton, and probably niffweed is posting it as a part of the evergoing smear campaign. Good job, niffweed. You're a very shitty person.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I have no idea if that is the case, but if it had been written by Ashton, why should posting it here be any "smear campaign"? Anyway my impression is that it's by someone with extreme focus on Si.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
the passage was indeed written by ashton.
my intention in posting it was primarily to see if people did come out with a correct functional focus, because i think that there are some themes consistent with beta extroversion in the text, but they're fairly subtle and the overall character doesn't exactly mesh with much of what might be considered when one thinks of beta extroversion.
i must say i understand where the people that saw him as an existential ILE much better than those that suggested delta types.
other than mn0good, who seemed to respond with SLE, beta was not a popular choice. i think those who identified the writing as E7-ish (which it is, very much so) were very much on the right track.
the responses by allie, strrrng, implied (though she gave me her first impressions before i told her) and probably FDG's most recent accusatory post were all tainted with prior knowledge.
Ashton wrote this in a blog on Socionix. I don't understand how after deleting his blog entry it would appear cross-posted on another forum to be analyzed without his permission.
I knew it was Ashton's because I had seen the original blog entry before you posted it here. But strrrng and FDG had not, so don't make that assumption.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
ashton is not beta, he is LIE. you are an idiot niffweed
I did not know it was his, but I do not care. It would be a joke if Ashton would feel the slightest right to complain about something like that. He used a moderator's password to enter this forum and to ban user accounts - without their permission. Therefore, he has absolutely no right to complain about anything like that done to him. As far as I am concerned, in this forum he has no rights.
it didn't; it was already pasted to the workshop before it was deleted. then i pasted it here because there was little interest in the workshop version. it was not until sometime after that when i realized that ashton removed the original one.
strrrng did; he removed his post after i asked him to. FDG i'm assuming did from his second post based on the variation in his response, but it's possible i'm wrong.I knew it was Ashton's because I had seen the original blog entry before you posted it here. But strrrng and FDG had not, so don't make that assumption.
He didn't complain about it. I complained about it more than Ashton did. Niffweed has asked me not to reveal the identity of the blogger in this thread so I did not. But only because of the fact that it didn't bother Ashton.
That's a very complicated means to justify what you did.
I'm the one who showed Nick this thread in the first place, asking him on AIM what type he thought the blogger was. After Nick guessed XIE 7w8 sx I told him it was Ashton. Then Nick pasted his original guess here. So although he made the post after already knowing who wrote it, the guess he pasted was made before knowing. Similar to Maria, I suppose.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
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That's always been debated. It's Ni-ENTj.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
how is it complicated? that's the chronology of the way things went. after which, you told me that ashton didn't have any objection, so why should it be a problem?
You didn't ask if Ashton objected. You asked me not to ruin your thread. I said I wouldn't, but only because he didn't object. And I said that you're making it complicated because you're trying to justify yourself by introducing a timeline here. It has nothing to do with anything.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
that is true.
that is not true.And I said that you're making it complicated because you're trying to justify yourself by introducing a timeline here. It has nothing to do with anything.
My guess would have been ILE. Or alternatively, SLI.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
this thread leaves me wondering if ashton is ENTj, or infact ESTj .. I can't say, I haven't interacted with him much. But he really did have a strong negative reaction to me on stickam .. it was unusual for an ENTj, but typical for ESTj. ESTj-Te w/ an emphasis on dysfunctional Ne & Fi . (It shows in the blog entry too) . It's already been talked about how the HA function can be perceived as an ego function for self typers
Beta is a terrible guess ... but niffweed is a dumbass so where's the surprise there
So you two are like the perfect duals eh?
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
I agree.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Niffweed why are you interested in figuring out Ashton's type?
EII 4w5
so/sx (?)
what are you talking about?
I just meant, why do you want to figure out his type? What use is it to you?
What do you hope to gain with this thread?
(this is sincere)
EII 4w5
so/sx (?)
Hmm, given this new information, perhaps I was wrong in thinking delta ST. My estimate of delta ST was largely based on a parallel to myself, or more specifically my motivations. I assumed that the personal motivation for writing something like that were like my own. It's possible that they weren't. Perhaps I was too eager to draw a parallel to myself, was biased in interpreting that segment. In which case I'd say the only certain thing about that segment, IMO, is the dysfunctional Ne and Fi (And I would say that at least that parallel with myself stands).
I'm curious as to how you see beta extroversion niffweed?
or maybe it's just not very possible to type someone based on a few paragraphs with themes with which most 20 year olds can identify and can attribute (in different ways) to any of the function/elements?
EII; E6(w5)
i am flakey
idiot. idiot. idiot. idiot. idiot. idiot.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Well, sometimes you annoy me, but I doubt my Ne and Fi is all disfunctionalized.
Could this apply to your Te/Fe PoLR too?It's already been talked about how the HA function can be perceived as an ego function for self typers.
ETA: I thought the passage was ILE on first glance, and it made me think of Vero. I also agree that the enneagram 7 aspect seemed to be the most evident thing about it all.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
I didn't have prior knowledge of shit; stop assuming. Allie imed me and showed me the thread (I hadn't even been interested in reading it before) and told me to type the person. My typing was 7 sx and Ni-ENFj>Se-ESTp>Ni-ENTj. Then while I was rereading the blog, I saw a phrase which was virtually identical to one Ashton had used in a conversation with me a few days earlier, about a similar subject. That is how I determined it was his.
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4w3-5w6-8w7
Actually Niff, I never said anything about SLE. At first I said ENXp, and then later I was a little more forceful about Fi PoLR. In retrospect, I think the only reason I said ILE was because I couldn't get over how much it sounded like me writing.
To be honest, I don't know how you can see anything other than very weak Fi and 7w8 in that blog. I would love it if Nick could explain why XIE was his deduction. Obviously there was something evidently Ni creative about it from his perspective, which I'm interested in hearing.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
This was my exact thought process: read the first paragraph and thought 4 enneagram type. I also thought that it had a beta feel, due to the subtle spiritual/introspective undertones. Read the second paragraph and immediately changed the e-type to 7 sx with 100% certainty, and also thought that it was most likely some beta P-sub extrovert, as the attitude did not have the same inward orientation I would expect from an introvert (not saying introversion = thoughts, but there are general themes and attitudes), and P-sub seemed more like simply because they tend to have that more raw, open quality that was conveyed. Read the third paragraph and knew it was 7w8 sx (not as light or open as the 7w6) and my best guess was Ni-ENFj, as they tend to seem P-ish at times, and the entire writing had too much of an introspective quality for the person to have weak Ni. But my second guess was Se-ESTp, due to the themes of living for the present intensity and forgetting it, ignoring the past memories, etc -- Ni ego people tend to travel back into the past quite often, sometimes unwittingly. My third guess was Ni-ENTj, simply because it was plausible, but on the whole, the blog entry had much more of a beta feel than gamma.
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4w3-5w6-8w7
Interesting analytically, and yes, rather disturbing to me personally.
My first inclination would be to say that this kind of "experience" strikes me as extremely dissociated psychologically. Depersonalization. Along the lines of R. Laing's Divided Self and further studies of the genesis of schizoid/schizophrenia.
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
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4w3-5w6-8w7
I feel...really good about myself now, lol. Good thing I have all these reading on the medicalized and disciplined body to bolster my spirits!
EDIT: Crap, I meant to respond to Nick and got distracted by psychological dissociation. Your process certainly seems fair to me. I re-read the entry with that in mind and I can see where you're coming from. Particularly, the one sentiment that I would have to say I didn't relate to was the one about living in a present intensity then letting it pass. I think I'm going to mull over it some more and see if anything more obvious comes to mind.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
Unhealthy 7 behavior. Running from the past and ignoring inner world/feelings
Partly 7-related - ignoring the past - but also partly generally unhealthy behavior. Typically being disconnected from past events (especially to this degree) is caused by some traumatic event(s) in early childhood. The fact that the author doesn't want a sense of personal history could suggest that they are suppressing painful memories.I have no life story or sense of personal history, and I don't want one. Not that I don't remember events - I do with crystal clarity, but I'm simply not connected to them.
While this superficially resembles unhealthy sx 7 behavior, I believe it is more deep-rooted. The author most likely feels out of control of their inner self and life, and thus they take the only attitude that gives them a sense of control: impetuosity. In a sense, they feel inept at dealing with things in an ordered fashion, and probably believe that deep down there is no order to anything (most likely due to lack of discipline in childhood and whatnot) and thus counter-act this by being completely impulsive - a counter-intuitive attempt to compensate for the issue.I never have coherent plans for the future, only reckless gambles. I can't recall any major decision I've made in the last 20 years that I actually reasoned out, instead I make them on whims which only make sense to me as they occur. In the blink of an eye I've ended significant relationships and shifted job plans without any real prior thought. Sometimes I don't even make the decision persay, but quite simply wake up one day with a whole new outlook and mentality to everything.
This agrees perfectly with my above analyses. There has to have been some childhood events that caused such an attitude. 7's may be detached from normal experiences in a casual sense, but the author is quite literally detached from his or herself. It is as if they are living with a void inside, and feel incapable of fixing it.I can attach to nothing it seems, despite trying to force myself to at times - or at least I pretend to myself that I am attached... until I am sufficiently bored, naturally. In a way I envy those who can, since attachments seem to make their life more real. But I always know the truth, that none of it is real (at least for me), and so I never can take it seriously. I feel like my mind has long since become a graveyard of these playthings.
There is nothing new to add."Out of sight, out of mind" applies to me well. Within the awareness of the moment, my experiences are vivid and often enthralling as they are happening, only to be discarded without trace once they are past. And I need something again. I've probably seen a good deal between the spectrums of transcendental beauty and unspeakable nightmare; yet nothing lasts, nothing impacts, nobody influences. Not love, friendship, family, tragedy, triumph, guilt, desire, fulfillment, or regret. All fades into shadow, everyone and everything is invariably forgotten.
Projection.When I tell people irl some of these things, it's very perplexing and upsetting to them. On many occasions, people even start crying and it baffles me. I find it ridiculous because I figure that most people too are actually like what I described here, and that they just don't know it.
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4w3-5w6-8w7
Flat affect. That's what particularly disturbed me. The author doesn't seem in the least upset about the experience described, as though he was describing himself in the third person (this was mentioned by some others on this thread). That kind of dissociative relation is strongly correlated with schizoid and schizophrenic states.
Granted, I'm not diagnosing... just noting the striking similarity.
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
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I discussed this blog with Implied after I had typed on basis of this blog, and came up with with the same type as she had (ENTp). I had no idea who it was, or have ever tried to type Ashton before.
Well first you said he's EIE-Fe sociopath, then EII, then LSE, and now LIE. You can still randomly guess 12 more times.
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Going back to the original point, I think the author is EP, and a Seven. As a philosopher, I assume Ne leading, but I'm a philosopher, and I'm SLE, so it's inconclusive.
Who is it? (Forgive me for not trolling through eight pages of what is probably shit).
lmao
It's Ashton.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
lol @ that
lol @ philosopher ashton
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