Acting like your dual
Recently someone mentioned that people sometimes act like their duals, causing mistypings. I am curious about this phenomenon.
Do you ever act like your dual? If so, can you describe it? [Please answer however you feel like, but I guess I'm particularly curious about what conditions bring it out, and whether it's a conscious choice, etc.]
Yes, I try to generate new ideas and I try to expound concepts in a Ti way.
Simple as that.
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This is me and my dual being scientific together
Would you say you're good at it?
The ideas no, but I can be random.
The arguments, I feel that if I try hard and think things through, I can do it. I am ruled by logic in abstract concepts.
D-SEI
This is me and my dual being scientific together
Same here, but turns out I kinda suck at itOriginally Posted by Kamangir
When I first came on here I was convinced I was ILE.
Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .
I read somewhere that this is reserved only for celebs and the like. For the average person acting like your dual, in my mind, would cause you severe anxiety and distress since you would not be being yourself. Even though duals appear very similiar to each other when they're in groups, they are very different in their private lives.
I of course try to supply my own Si and Te, however, there's always all this Ne, Fi, and yes even Fe in there so I can't imagine anyone ever confusing me for an SLI.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I've noticed this in other people but I dont think I've ever consciously tried to act like an IEE. I don't think I'd ever get confused for one, that's just comical.
According to other people, there a moments when I resemble my dual (well, when I resemble people who are LSI). These moments are when I am very angry or pissed off, but determined not to lose my temper because of the context. I will become very very still, very composed, my face will suddenly become expressionless, but intense (as though I am trying to stare them into submission), I will focus on the person I am angry at and I will speak in very short, flat, sentences. Other times...there are situations when I need to be clear and unshakeable and I think I do 'borrow' qualities from the LSI persona.
In high school, people used to say idolatrie and I were actually the same person, but that was more because we had similar interests, similar thought processes, similar values and often seemed to be able to read each other's minds. I don't think it was because we behaved alike at all, but it's hard to stand outside yourself and give an objective assessment.
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It occurred to me that it's more likely someone could look like their dual in online conversations, because there's no body language, tone, etc.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I'll revive this old thread, because I have noticed quite often myself how people would start acting like their dual the more they lack people with the desired & needed functions in their lives.
Also, the older someone gets, the more they have had time developing themselves intrinsically and functionally. If that older person lacked (semi-)dual (or activity) interactions, they most likely will have plunged themselves into the realms of their dual. Behaviourisms, beliefs, attitudes and appearance will more and more resemble their dual, in a desperate attempt to emulate their dual and their strengths, so that they will feel "complete".
Often times, the end result is a rather pathetic fake dual-version and psychologically weak person.
I lack a dual in my life, and as a result, I might try to emulate my dual or develop my inferior function, but I suck at it. I find it is just better to find a dual and interact with them as much as possible.
Agree. I think I do the same. It is normal, in my opinion.
But I still don't look like my dual. Some people take it to the extreme. Disregarding one's own type because the dual's seems so much more desirable... can end pretty badly.
I get along great with SLE's. They're simple and fun, and because I'm their Benefactor, I look out for them and can easily recognize them in crowds. But when they are in crisis, they become truly nuts and need someone to take them by the hand and lead them to a quiet room where they can sit down for a while.
Here is an example.
To see the degeneration due to crisis, confusion, and partial recovery of an SLE, and how a person starts to use his inferior function to act like his dual when his top two functions no longer are working to solve his problems, go to this page
https://www.youtube.com/user/EJArendee/videos
click on "load more" several times, until you get to his vids of about a year ago, when he was grounded and really funny and relaxed. A great one to watch is "How to pick up the types". It is both hilarious and totally true. The guy is on the ball. But then, scroll up to ten months ago to "Humbled" and "Hobo update", when things are going wrong in his life. Next, scroll back up to 5 months ago and watch "I'm an INFJ update", "Rant: My stupid zombie slaves" and "Goodbye". Finally, after he got some support (from me, his Benefactor), watch "Perfect Relationships".
You can find more on the Hidden Agenda here: http://personalityjunkie.com/the-inferior-function/
SLEs typically function best in a crisis (well most people do right, I mean, what brings out the best in individuals, crisis and contingency planning and learning).
Using typology enneagram and stacking has a mega impact on a socionics types ability to proceed in crisis.
But, what do you mean by crisis?
BTW DJArandee should look for a career in the PUA scene, I expect his inability to pull will fit in well.
Agree. He may mistype others, but at least he's got his own type right.
Regardless of whether people like EJArendee or not, he obviously is (sadly) a good example of a person starting to (try to) act like his dual, which basically is just an indicator of him losing his mind. I think the videos where he is talking about his "visions" are the most telling regarding his messed up Ni use.
Finally, I wonder what you mean with "support" he got by you. Do you actually know him personally, irl?
When I learn a method to something that an lse uses I'll help others with it
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I still can pick out pillows and nice things for Shitnoodles
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I can't believe AS is hung up on the channel of that jackass -- and gives him advice to top it all. Some ppl disagree with his type, but he's a pretty obvious SLE imo. and a total moron who had to leave the forum coz he couldn't dominate LSEs&LIEs around and expand his narcissistic territorial little selfie enough.
Last edited by Amber; 05-25-2015 at 05:40 PM.
Hi, Amber.
Well, I like him. We're really different, and he shows really bad judgement, but I like him. That's Benefactor for you. I just can't help it.
I think you and a lot of others have a different reaction to him, and truthfully, I'm not blind to his aggression and instability and would never go into business with him, but I don't think we can help liking whom we like. Just as I read some of your posts and watch as other people get offended and pissed off and misinterpret what you say, and all I can think is "What Amber said makes sense, and she is funny and true, and I like her."
Can't help it.
The trick is to come to respect and admire someone, but that's happening, too.
The secret is to explain why you like him, and not worry so much about everyone else.
First off, you don't even understand what the Benefit relation is about - the Benefactor is supposed to find the Beneficiary a dull, helpless, and uninteresting person due to the lack of "suggestive" in them (which the B_actor allegedly craves). It's an unequal relationship in theory ... with the Benefactor in a superior position while the B_ary finds them awesome due to their creative. That isn't happening. You're posting and promoting links of dude ...so it's kinda the other way round. You'd have an excuse if you had any clue other than socionics on why you like the person anyway.
Secondly, if you compare me to this moron, your senses and your methods of assessing ppl totally suck. You should post on the ENTJ perCaf forum .. it wouldn't be visible there.
Nah. I find the definition of benefit relations the most ever fishy one in intertype relations. There's too many versions out there and most of them don't match real life experience for me, now your version also doesn't match it, I can find beneficiary a rather interesting person but it's true about the unfulfillment of the suggestive function. I wouldn't say I find my beneficiaries necessarily awesome, sure, that's rare, but they are usually still pretty cool if I don't mind the issue with their PoLR. I find the latter -me consciously deciding not to mind- is an important prerequisite for benefit relations to work well. In my case anyway.
Anyway. It is funny @Adam Strange offered nice praise to you and you just ignore all of that and instead go on with your opinion about his lack of understanding. Lol
You must be joking about DjA. Whenever I'd talk to him on TypoC in just a tiny little bit stronger style than my default neutral, he'd always be this pussy and back down very quickly, openly pleading for me to stop and leave him alone. He just likes to play drama in his videos. I dunno are we supposed to chalk this up to his life stress too? I'm being a bit sarcastic here, yeah..I don't have a problem with him otherwise but I think he's really fake in presentation lol.
I also think Ni creative for him is more likely than SLE.
Last edited by Myst; 05-26-2015 at 09:19 AM.
Adam Strange compared her to a total moron on the internet, that isn't praise it's insulting.....
He said he likes you. Did you miss that part as you got into an analysis of the benefit relations? Benefit relations are a warm relationship because at first the pair finds each other comforting but later discovers that one is constantly getting criticized for not meeting the other's expectations. Socionics.com
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
on a side note I'm thinking of leaving the forum myself due to an overflow of MBTI links and lingo lately :
I think I should make a profile on PerCaf and chat there on the right issues with the right ppl.
I already did that, but I'm here most of the time. I wonder why.
I hear the forum regulars don't want Amber to post here.
Ironically they don't deserve her presence one bit.
when someone says a person is likely to act like their dual it's usually a sign they have a borked up understanding of socionics and suck at typing. duals are opposites in terms of most observable behavioral traits and have similarities on a deeper, unobservable level only.
Hum…well my first dates with SLE usually were a display of their achievements, "I've been to China 25 times and I have a porch that I park in my Manhattan Beach house that overlooks the ocean" (cha ching!). My first dates with LSE are usually talks about family. My first dates with SLI are interviews about my background and education.
Anyway, it's very apparent which is motivated by what ends and means
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Voted the most sane forever and ever
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I think "acting" can easily be mimicry, but cognition is a whole different matter. Group behavior is very mimicry oriented.
I think duals who are in sync do mimicry each other extensively if observed together.
However nobody should confuse Tracy Morgan and Tina Fey for identicals.
No, only in private alone for very short times and only under extreme stress. It can be nice then but I can't really keep it up on my own & I'm probably a very bad imitation of my dual
apparently he makes 7k a month doing nothing. maybe I should get aboard the crazy train
Don't think DJ is SLE but here's a video about DJ
Hi, mu4.
That video is totally my SLE friend from college. Karate and everything. One night, after he had had no luck in the bars, he went down the street trying to kick in the side windows of the parked cars. Fortunately, they are tempered glass and didn't break. Plus, he was incredibly drunk and not on his game. Otherwise, he'd have cut his foot off. But that's low Ni, the inability to see where your actions are leading.
He settled down a lot after he got married. Amazingly enough, he never went to jail. Luckiest bastard I've ever known.
No it's a drunk, young, asshole which can be any type
Even LIE
DJA is a total jerk and full retard. mu4's video is a more realistic representation of the guy.
But awesome that he found someone to pierce through his heart and see "sensitivity". Retypes AS IEI.
And what relationship advice. No really. A Fi inferior trying to crutch a Fi polr. All this is so ridiculous. AS is falling right in the guy's lap without much self-respect. Why not. Bisexuality is liberating.
You must be joking about DjA. Whenever I'd talk to him on TypoC in just a tiny little bit stronger style than my default neutral, he'd always be this pussy and back down very quickly, openly pleading for me to stop and leave him alone. He just likes to play drama in his videos. I dunno are we supposed to chalk this up to his life stress too? I'm being a bit sarcastic here, yeah..
I also think Ni creative for him is more likely than SLE.
This is true. I do think he's SLE, but a very unhealthy one whose Se doesn't come out as confidence, but as extremely volatile paranoid aggression.
AS goes on a bit for LIE, or Te lead, I'm trying to think of a Te lead he could resemble.
He has Ni, P temperament, no roughness or straight to point efficiency.
With that aside, takes too long to get to his point, also weird Fe ethical judgements in how he compares people, IEI, troll account.
Yes, most of the LIE's I know are more "straight to the point" than me. They don't win with people as much as I do, though. They don't convert them to their own way of thinking, which I find is more efficient in the long run than just saying, Do this or you can't play with us anymore. Diplomacy has its uses. Maybe that's where you see the Fe and IEI'ness. But you don't see me at work, and have never seen me when I get upset. This forum is basically relaxation and information gathering for me, it is not competition. I save competition for work, and even then, I prefer cooperation. Doesn't mean I don't plan ahead and marshal open, overwhelming attacks on a problem.
One mitigating factor might be my age, which is higher than I'd like. Also, I have a very high IQ, and IQ is an age multiplication factor of how much you know vs how much the average person of your age knows and ENTJ's tend to develop as they age. I didn't really become an ENTJ, as they are conventionally thought of, until I was about 25. I was pretty terse then. Before that, I was just gathering information and contacts. Since then, I've been trying to become more effective. You can call it smooth, you can call it Healthy, but I call it effective.
Consider this when you are typing me. There are almost no LIE's with a Te tendency on this or any other forum. Most LIE's don't even believe they have an inner psychology, so your sample size and experience are going to be very low. I may be setting the curve.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 05-26-2015 at 11:19 PM.
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