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    Quote Originally Posted by esper
    Something the INTj thread made me think about, and I think I learned a little about myself and what it means to be Se-seeking... I try not to indulge in activities that will make me feel bad (to feel a lack of internal homeostasis) because I know that is a "good" thing to do (evidencing my Si role), but inevitably, I will be dissatisfied with this and frustrated over it (again evidencing my Si role) and I will indulge in them, happy as can be. My inner status is something I know I should maintain, but eventually I get frustrated with maintaining--that inner sense of stability created by the reaction to stimulai. But the actual experience of the stimulai, of the outer qualities of the thing itself--taste, color, sensation, movement--is something directly stimulating, something I give up the role of maintaining homeostasis for; it is not the sense of normalcy that the stimulai creates for me, but the actual sensation of it, an outer thing, that genuinely stimulates me, that feeds me back--a Se thing, as Se observes the outer situation of objects. Mabye I need to explain that better, but I'll leave it at that. And I can stock up on these experiences and always walk around with a feeling of satisfaction and positive stimulation--something beyond normalcy. This I see as innately different from what Si is seeking, a difference in the way they walk and talk and think, in what they desire out of life. They seem to approach stimulai with a desire to create a sense of "okayness" (which is all good and dandy for them), while I desire to create a definite sense of stimulation in one direction or another, not content with just internal stability and feeling rather frustrated by it after a time. They can wallow in environments where there is not alot of definite stimulation one way or another and still be present to the situation and active in it, which I admire them for and wish I could be content with; in such a situation, I feel like I am drowning, and must escape. This creates the oddities in my nature: I appear rather laid back and zen, a person entertained by quiet reflection, but I am also experiencing restlessness and wanderlust at every moment that I am not so engaged in such stimulation. I need something to create a definite charge or passion to even feel okay inside. Although I am always trying to be "good" and follow the rules to create internal stability, finding myself actually in a homeostatic state makes me feel extremely depressed, frustrated, even angry. An active mind and imagination is probably a coping mechanism for this. So I am always preparing for the future times when there will be no stimulation by stocking up on stimulating mental and physical experiences. Otherwise, I will be just as depressed as alot of INXp seem to be, like Niffweed. But I would die before I would allow myself to feel listless like so many so-called INFp seem to be. Such a thing feels like not being able to breathe, and creates a very ornery me who will even allow an argument or conflict to develop just to feel better, I realize now. I think back of all the times I felt incredibly stimulated after an argument, feeling the willpower of two individuals clashing, the Se evaluation. And how it made me feel active, like exerting my own willpower to experience more, and feeling the events around me coalescing into something good and new--such a thing is characteristic of "peak experiences" for me, which I think of as a good characterization of the Ni->Se path to stimulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollywoodwanderer
    Break out of it.
    If you actually comprehended what she wrote, you would realize that response makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esper
    Something the INTj thread made me think about, and I think I learned a little about myself and what it means to be Se-seeking... I try not to indulge in activities that will make me feel bad (to feel a lack of internal homeostasis) because I know that is a "good" thing to do (evidencing my Si role), but inevitably, I will be dissatisfied with this and frustrated over it (again evidencing my Si role) and I will indulge in them, happy as can be. My inner status is something I know I should maintain, but eventually I get frustrated with maintaining--that inner sense of stability created by the reaction to stimulai. But the actual experience of the stimulai, of the outer qualities of the thing itself--taste, color, sensation, movement--is something directly stimulating, something I give up the role of maintaining homeostasis for; it is not the sense of normalcy that the stimulai creates for me, but the actual sensation of it, an outer thing, that genuinely stimulates me, that feeds me back--a Se thing, as Se observes the outer situation of objects. Mabye I need to explain that better, but I'll leave it at that. And I can stock up on these experiences and always walk around with a feeling of satisfaction and positive stimulation--something beyond normalcy. This I see as innately different from what Si is seeking, a difference in the way they walk and talk and think, in what they desire out of life. They seem to approach stimulai with a desire to create a sense of "okayness" (which is all good and dandy for them), while I desire to create a definite sense of stimulation in one direction or another, not content with just internal stability and feeling rather frustrated by it after a time. They can wallow in environments where there is not alot of definite stimulation one way or another and still be present to the situation and active in it, which I admire them for and wish I could be content with; in such a situation, I feel like I am drowning, and must escape. This creates the oddities in my nature: I appear rather laid back and zen, a person entertained by quiet reflection, but I am also experiencing restlessness and wanderlust at every moment that I am not so engaged in such stimulation. I need something to create a definite charge or passion to even feel okay inside. Although I am always trying to be "good" and follow the rules to create internal stability, finding myself actually in a homeostatic state makes me feel extremely depressed, frustrated, even angry. An active mind and imagination is probably a coping mechanism for this. So I am always preparing for the future times when there will be no stimulation by stocking up on stimulating mental and physical experiences. Otherwise, I will be just as depressed as alot of INXp seem to be, like Niffweed. But I would die before I would allow myself to feel listless like so many so-called INFp seem to be. Such a thing feels like not being able to breathe, and creates a very ornery me who will even allow an argument or conflict to develop just to feel better, I realize now. I think back of all the times I felt incredibly stimulated after an argument, feeling the willpower of two individuals clashing, the Se evaluation. And how it made me feel active, like exerting my own willpower to experience more, and feeling the events around me coalescing into something good and new--such a thing is characteristic of "peak experiences" for me, which I think of as a good characterization of the Ni->Se path to stimulation.
    I just had to respond to this again because of how much it resonated with me
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    Love the last part. The "clash of intellects." This is pretty much the only reason I have come to appreciate logic as much as I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    If you actually comprehended what she wrote, you would realize that response makes no sense.
    It sounds like she is in that state of internal homeostasis she was describing in the post right now. If so, I find the praise of the tone of the post amusing.
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    unefille, if I was typing you based on that writing, I would say 4 >3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    unefille, if I was typing you based on that writing, I would say 4 >3.
    Hmm, I've considered 4w3 before seriously. Overall, I think I'm 3w4 instead because:

    1. I disintegrate to 9 instead of 2 when under stress. I just completely disengage with everything: all my activities, all my responsibilities, all my commitments.

    2. I don't desire a rescuer to affirm my value or identity; in fact I reject all advances to 'save' me from just about anything.

    3. 4s often have low-esteem which fuels their drive for self-improvement - I don't have low self-esteem and often come across as having unflinching belief in my own ability to do/be; my fixation is being successful so that other people will acknowledge my talents/capabilities.

    4. Definitely assertive > withdrawn. I unconsciously seek the attention in a room; I like to control conversations/discussion; and I expect everyone to listen to me when I am speaking in a group.

    And the reason I even wrote that journal entry was so 3-ish I'm too embarrassed to even think about it. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    unefille, if I was typing you based on that writing, I would say 4 >3.
    That's what I've been getting (as an impression) from her all the time, actually. But I guess her 4 wing is pretty strong. (And she seems to know the types pretty damn well.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    That's what I've been getting (as an impression) from her all the time, actually. But I guess her 4 wing is pretty strong. (And she seems to know the types pretty damn well.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by unefille
    Hmm, I've considered 4w3 before seriously. Overall, I think I'm 3w4 instead because:

    1. I disintegrate to 9 instead of 2 when under stress. I just completely disengage with everything: all my activities, all my responsibilities, all my commitments.

    2. I don't desire a rescuer to affirm my value or identity; in fact I reject all advances to 'save' me from just about anything.

    3. 4s often have low-esteem which fuels their drive for self-improvement - I don't have low self-esteem and often come across as having unflinching belief in my own ability to do/be; my fixation is being successful so that other people will acknowledge my talents/capabilities.

    4. Definitely assertive > withdrawn. I unconsciously seek the attention in a room; I like to control conversations/discussion; and I expect everyone to listen to me when I am speaking in a group.

    And the reason I even wrote that journal entry was so 3-ish I'm too embarrassed to even think about it. lol
    This makes sense. And don't forget, 3's have low self-esteem too; they just try to convince themselves otherwise more than 4's

    Quote Originally Posted by hollywoodwanderer
    It sounds like she is in that state of internal homeostasis she was describing in the post right now. If so, I find the praise of the tone of the post amusing.
    No. She was contrasting Si vs. Se and how she prefers Se.

    Quote Originally Posted by esper
    It also makes me feel better about myself in that, it is just how I am, not something wrong with me that makes me flawed or disadvantaged. It is okay that homeostasis will never be an innately fulfilling state for me, but a chore, something that is necessarily to lead a fuller life but does not encompass the essence of that life in and of itself.
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by hollywoodwanderer
    No offense to you but, whatever it is you're experiencing right now is not coming off to me as the "definite charge or passion" that you were speaking of in your post. In fact, I would say you give off a listless, dispassionate, and constant vibe. I'm not trying to tell you how you are feeling but, as an outside observer you appear that way despite what you say to the contrary.
    Refrain from posting in this thread, please.
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    Sometimes I associate normal with mediocrity.

    There's no point to mediocrity.

    Sometimes when I don't like someone, I try to come across as "really normal" and "boring".

    I find that with people that are more interesting, I don't care about being normal, and I wouldn't want to explicitally come across as boring.

    Thing is if you act in a very "normal" way, it's a good way to minimise relationships. It's a good way to keep people at a distance. It's a good way to ensure that nothing "interesting" happens.

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    When I'm feeling adventurous I like to say that I'm normal, I'm a sheep, I'm a follower. I like to go along with the grain. Wouldn't want to create a disturbance.

    Although for some reason if I do this - it can make people who know me well laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    This makes sense. And don't forget, 3's have low self-esteem too; they just try to convince themselves otherwise more than 4's
    Shhhhhhhh >.<
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    I'm not out to become the forum antagonist so I guess I'll leave it alone but, before I do I'd like to suggest to esper that if she would like more energy/motivation she should sleep at least 6 hours a night, go to sleep at a consistent time, excercise regularly, get 40 min of sun a day, and eat bananas and cheeses. That should raise her serotonin and dopamine levels and help reduce any cognitive deficits she may be experiencing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodWanderer View Post
    I'm not out to become the forum antagonist so I guess I'll leave it alone but, before I do I'd like to suggest to esper that if she would like more energy/motivation she should sleep at least 6 hours a night, go to sleep at a consistent time, excercise regularly, get 40 min of sun a day, and eat bananas and cheeses. That should raise her serotonin and dopamine levels and help reduce any cognitive deficits she may be experiencing.
    What type are you? That seems like really weird advice to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodWanderer View Post
    I'm not out to become the forum antagonist so I guess I'll leave it alone but, before I do I'd like to suggest to esper that if she would like more energy/motivation she should sleep at least 6 hours a night, go to sleep at a consistent time, excercise regularly, get 40 min of sun a day, and eat bananas and cheeses. That should raise her serotonin and dopamine levels and help reduce any cognitive deficits she may be experiencing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodWanderer View Post
    I'm not out to become the forum antagonist so I guess I'll leave it alone but, before I do I'd like to suggest to esper that if she would like more energy/motivation she should sleep at least 6 hours a night, go to sleep at a consistent time, excercise regularly, get 40 min of sun a day, and eat bananas and cheeses. That should raise her serotonin and dopamine levels and help reduce any cognitive deficits she may be experiencing.
    Ah, that sounds like the type of advice that would shit me, but then I'd think 'actually, they're right, I need to look after myself - after all, the Cartesian mind-body duality shit isn't real and my physiology affects my mood and persona', but I'd still be annoyed.

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    Unefille, what you wrote was so beautiful. I often felt like that when I was around the same age you were when you wrote that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esper View Post
    Ahaha--you have no idea how you have misread my character, although it is understandable that you wouldn't have much access to it in a medium so narrow as a forum I have reserved for postulating nigh academically about the flaws and strengths inherent myself and people's nature. You could only think I wouldn't already be a stickler for such common sense practice in my own life if you failed to read all I have responded so far. You don't seem to be listening to what I have responded, which I find as offensive as your ignorant judgment and pigeonholing. No offense but, as an outside observer, you really should shut up.
    You should have simplified your whloe response to shut up. You shouldn't need to justify yourself. What's wrong with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    What type are you? That seems like really weird advice to me.
    To be honest, I'm not really sure. I try not to get too involved in playing the socionics game anyway though. People start reacting in favor of/against your type rather than to you as a person and what you're trying to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by esper View Post
    Ahaha--you have no idea how you have misread my character, although it is understandable that you wouldn't have much access to it in a medium so narrow as a forum I have reserved for postulating nigh academically about the flaws and strengths inherent myself and people's nature.
    Sorry, this was not my intent. You seem to be dissatisfied with lack of motivation/energy and the things I suggested tend to help most people in alleviating that stuck in place sort of ennui that we can all get caught up in. Another thing you might consider is developing a new hobby that is active and/or involves interacting with others.

    Quote Originally Posted by esper View Post
    You don't seem to be listening to what I have responded, which I find as offensive as your ignorant judgment and pigeonholing.:
    True enough. To be honest I was a little affronted by the things you said about the "boring Si types." You seem a little haughty yourself and it is my natural tendency to reflect back at people the emotional energy they spew out into the world (perhaps without really realizing it). I do think you have more in common with these boring Si types than you really think though. When I read your musings I get the impression that you are far more in your own head than someone who is happy and fulfilled would be. I also feel that loss of energy/need to get away sort of thing that you were describing in reference to "them." Energy level is relative to what you're used to I suppose and perhaps that is why yours seems rather low to me while theirs seems low to you. Seriously though, I would consider looking into SSRIs.
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