where are the deltas?

[XoX]

Sorry I need to sleep now. I guess it's something to do with ENFp's values being very different from others. I don't know. I'm not sure. Let's assume that the above premise is true, so that means that their achievements may not be valued by many. And so they are sometimes percieved as underachievers. A little confused now, so pardon me.

Hahaha. Careful what you say. I'm starting to get the feeling ENFps are really really sensitive

But I sort of understand the point. For example ENFp might start their own small business rather than being a gear in a big company (even a gear in a high position). In the end the ENFp might have made less money and have less power than would have been possible for his/her talents. For the ENFp this might still feel like they have really achieved something unique to be proud of. For some other types this means they have wasted a lot of talent and are "underachievers" in that sense. Not fulfilling their whole potential in their yearn for uniqueness.

So, not underachievers compared to the average population but compared to their level of talent. ENFps just measure "success" in their own special way.

I think ISTps are also underachievers because they often choose the "fun road" instead of the "best road". So I think ENFp and ISTp couple could understand each others need to "do their own thing" in life. I have sometimes trouble to explain my ISFj wife what is so great about the "fun road" I'm taking. I think she would appreciate the ENTj competence and achievement approach more Ah, sweet duality.

[Arcanum]

Welcome fever, by now I assume that you understand the happenings in our quadra, and how we plan to establish order to the forums. I have assembled the list of people in our force:

anndelise , kim , sunflower , nicky

schr"odinger's cat , rocky , diana , tepa
,
topaz darklord , Theblueblade , XoX

ENFperator , kioshi? , electric? , flower

Jadae , arcanum (me)

There are supposed to be 19, if I am missing someone please tell me...

Yeah darklord is quite right. I guess for some of us, fitting in is a painful thing. Actually fitting in is quite a painful thing for delta. INFj's are commonly percieved as anti-social, nerdy, otherworldly, and ISTp's are percieved as ... i don't know someone help me here, ESTj's are percieved as stiff-necked, forceful individuals, and ENFp's are sometimes percieved as deviants, underachievers, i don't know... I guess everyone has a problem with fitting in it's just whether you're conscious of it or not. Sometimes our weaknesses are our strengths

Let's not think of how we are perceived but as what we are. Like flower said, no one will judge anyone here.

Peace :wink:

[schrödinger's cat]

Sorry I need to sleep now. I guess it's something to do with ENFp's values being very different from others. I don't know. I'm not sure. Let's assume that the above premise is true, so that means that their achievements may not be valued by many. And so they are sometimes percieved as underachievers. A little confused now, so pardon me.

No problem. I wasn't offended, actually. I should have added *clears throat* or something like that. Sorry. The question was real, though, not rhetorical; I've no idea how ENFPs come across, so I wanted to find out more.

[schrödinger's cat]

Chocolates, anyone? *desperately trying to lighten mood she has spoiled*

[Slacker]

I think it's funny that between his suggestion that we are devients and underachievers, underachievers bothered you more

I don't mind being a slacker. Not sure what to think about the "devient" thing though.

[UDP]

Man, it sure was a long trip down here from alpha.

[UDP]

Chocolates, anyone? *desperately trying to lighten mood she has spoiled*

Oh, thank you.

[Arcanum]

It is a big trip down here (or should I say "up here", hehe). Everyone's welcome here UDP, so you can stay.

It is apparent that intjs and infjs have a common outlook on the nature of the world. In other words, we could die out of such a trivial thing as taking care of our physical bodies.

[UDP]

The nearby food cafe thing has somewhat addicting subs, so I'm safe for a while.

Yes, I know what you mean...

[UDP]

or "ugh, what is that annoying feeling in my stomach? I guess I have to eat now...."

and then you kind of just focus on something else and it goes away for a while again..............

[Reuben]

ENFp's are wonderful people because they are thoughtful, caring, and kind, as Diana said, and they also do beautiful work. EN sometimes makes their work very different and unexpected, which is good, but people who prefer the pedestrian and mainstream work will look down on them as deviants and unproductive dreamers. Same goes to ISTp I guess, SJ's think we're bad at time management (which is true if an ISTp is looking at a view point of a SJ) and our work is of little importance. Perspective plays a part because people think we are very weak in areas which made us strong. For example if we do not spend time in things we find monotonous, mainstream and boring we would never have done stuff which we would have done. Like beautiful stuff. Who wants a really really really nice and creamy and yummy rabbit sweet?

[schrödinger's cat]

Deviant is good. I think my ISTP brother and I agree on this: people call "normality" is so abnormal and weird... why on earth should we fit in with that?! We just do our own thing, and sometimes it fits in, and sometimes it doesn't...

[Slacker]

Yeah but "devient" is used in such a negative way. I like "quirky" or "eccentric" better.

[anndelise]

Idiosyncratic.

My new word.

[UDP]

I'm your dual, I'm idiosyncratic

[anndelise]

I'm your dual, I'm idiosyncratic

um, istp is my dual, not intj

you're ...um...(searches for the right word)... odd. But in a fun way. :wink:

[Reuben]

Well I'm glad I'm you all's dual. Yeah eccentric and quirky is cool ;p Hey INTj's are cool too because they are so not everyday people. In real life the J sometimes disses me though but I love you all Happy (chinese) New Year!

[schrödinger's cat]

True. It's not "deviant", it's "in consequence of idiocultural differences".

[Reuben]

*raises an eyebrow*

[schrödinger's cat]

That was @UDP, not @you.

Happy Chinese New Year.

[Darklord]

It's not called being "deviant". It's called being "independent and free-spirited" :wink: .

[UDP]

I'm your dual, I'm idiosyncratic

um, istp is my dual, not intj

you're ...um...(searches for the right word)... odd. But in a fun way. :wink:

ooops, I thought you were ESFp; I misread your signature.

[UDP]

That was @UDP, not @you.

Happy Chinese New Year.

Happy Luna New Year, ever'body

[pesto]

Who's up for getting-to-know you games?

Just kidding. I'm an INFJ.

[pesto]

Conflictor? I would never have guessed. :wink:

Hi!

[XoX]

Blah...I'm leaving Delta at least temporarily. Ok, I might still write here but I have to check whether I fit in to my new quadra with all the crazy ESTps and weird INFps and non-existent ISTjs