My initial reaction to seeing her on a few tv spots was ESI, a certain sharpness about her face. Other than that I haven't looked into anything. What think you? Let's find some clips...
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Sarah Palin - McCain's VP
My initial reaction to seeing her on a few tv spots was ESI, a certain sharpness about her face. Other than that I haven't looked into anything. What think you? Let's find some clips...
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
My first guess is ESI, too.
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A quick intro from some internet person
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Interesting. This guy could be a LIE.
I thought she was EIE. And yeah, that guy seems LIE true
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Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Sarah Palin
Her face and appearance is typical of an ESFJ. Their families are typically messed up too from what I noticed.
ESE, eh? hmm
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certainly true for my family
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Obama -> EIE
Biden -> LSI
McCain -> LSE
Do I have agreement? What type is McCain's wife?
Do you think the United States needs a Beta presidency now, or a Delta? Should the Gamma integral type of the U.S. be supported or counterbalanced?
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i don't see how palin is an ESE. at all. this woman is into power and force. Se ego or at the very least Se valuing. and i don't think it's all just newspaper spin and fluff. the woman shoots caribou and is one of those obnoxious hockey moms that fight with coaches and belittle the contribution of other people's children. her ethics are already up for questioning due to that business with trying to get that trooper fired.
to me, she seems sensing and extraverted. and probably logical.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
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McCain seems to be promising us a kind of witch hunt against corruption. That is a theme of Delta, with a Delta exertion type. I think he is LSE-IEE . His campaign theme seems to be about an intuition of specific, situational happenings (in washington, for example), and whether these are morally sound or unsound. I might be wrong.
Not sure about Obama, haven't thought about it yet
ya just going off the weird impressions I get, I'm pretty sure I'd hate this woman irl... she seems like a she'd be a massive cunt. ESFjs are not cunts to me, hence she is not ESFj
Umm, I know she is not longer active, but this kind of way of typing people will get your typing wrong most of the time. My vote goes to her (Palin) as an ESE. FTR, I have not anlaysis her video in depth, but the impression of her on TV makes her a benchtype ESE, it is one reason why she got so famous in the first place because of her "average Joe" nature, not a type of people that you would often find in politics.
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I can't stand the woman either. But this doesn't make impossible that she's my dual.
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My first thought for her was ESFj.
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Precisely.
But a lot of what you found sickening was related to the very nature of such things, of the political world in general. That doesn't mean she (or Hillary for that matter) likes it; only that she accepts it as part of the "job". That other famous ESI politician, Richard Nixon, didn't like that bit, either.
I'm convinced Biden is ENFj.
So that's the explanation!
My own mother is ESFj. That is why my family, and myself in particular, are so messed up.
Thank you!
I agree, I believe Palin is an ESFJ as well.
I think Palin is ESFj. She looks and acts similar to all the ESFj's i've known. McCain is most likely ISTj, imo.
agree. seems very intutive.
asd
Who seems intuitive?
oh, i meant the conclusion that they are esfj and istj. mccain is bordering on an istj stereotype.
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I agree about pallin, but mccain seems ESTj IMO.
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I disagree about Palin being ESFj.
Reasons why--from examples to theory, roughly:
*Palin's 'ethics' come across as clumsy and understated, (see Tina Fey's dead-on impression)--one might even say 'deep-seated'--not at all as forceful and 'written on one's face' as any ESFj (female) I've ever encountered. (Think Sandra Bullock and/or Paula Abdul--and then think Palin... Compare/contrast.)
*Palin seems to possess Se and value Se, e.g. anyone ever seen the pictures of Palin holding up that large dead animal and gun, or seen an interview with her husband Todd? (He's clearly Se valuing.) Furthermore, take into account her life-patterns: beauty pageant competitor, state basketball champion, "Sarah Barracuda"... In her stump speeches, she continually refers to herself as a "fighter." (None of this should sound ESE to you--b/c, well, she's not ESE...) If you read any interviews with those who've worked for Palin: they have said, 'this is a person who has been out to control her environment and win at all costs...'
* There has been NO exhibited preference for Si in any interview I've seen, i.e. nothing to suggest Si in ego. (Having a tanning bed in the governor's mansion does not count, lol... It was for 'seasonal depression,' she has said.) Also, just b/c she smiles a lot doesn't mean she's Fe-leading... Compare Palin's smiles to the smiles of Fe leading ppl, e.g. ESFj Bulluck or Paula Abdul... And then compare them to Fi-leading ppl, e.g. ISFj reese witherspoon... (another bad actress lol)
*In interviews, e.g. Gibson, Couric, when questioned about her future role as vice president, Palin has rattled off laundry lists of Te (e.g. "solving our energy woes")/ Fi ("fighting for special needs children") objectives... She has said NOTHING to suggest that she values Ti, (b/c she does not... She simply does not metabolize info hierarchically.)
Rick's summation of the ESI's type message sums up Palin's personality almost perfectly: "ESI - Recognizing and balancing people's needs and expectations." This is EXACTLY what she touts in her stump speeches about her "reforms" in Alaska... This is what she's PROUD OF.
I suggest to those who are considering ESFj for Palin--if they actually care--go back and take a serious look at the things she's said, and how she's lived her life...I don't believe it's any coincidence that the alphas I know feel complete and total antipathy for her, whereas many of the gammas I know feel sympathetic... ESFJ may be the correct typing in MBTI--but if you're looking at Socionics functions... Well, look fucking harder.
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why would an ESI's ethics come across as clumsy and understated? or were you referring to Fe specifically?
I was contrasting it with Fe--Fe leading, specifically, which I've found VERY noticeable.
Palin is much more restrained in her use of Fe--she picks her spots and has never come on too strong--whereas ESFjs (hell, both Fe-leadings) often come on very strong. Think: Fe-leading Joe Biden (who cried in the debate) and Obama, who have manifested great depth of feeling in their speeches--compare this with Palin...
This is not just a gender difference--it's a difference of functional preference.
I disagree about Palin being ESFj.
Reasons why--from examples to theory, roughly:*Palin's 'ethics' come across as clumsy and understated, (see Tina Fey's dead-on impression)--one might even say 'deep-seated'--not at all as
forceful and 'written on one's face' as any ESFj (female) I've ever encountered. (Think Sandra Bullock and/or Paula Abdul--and then think Palin... Compare/contrast.)
*Palin seems to possess Se and value Se, e.g. anyone ever seen the pictures of Palin holding up that large dead animal and gun, or seen an interview with her husband Todd? (He's clearly Se valuing.) Furthermore, take into account her life-patterns: beauty pageant competitor, state basketball champion, "Sarah Barracuda"... In her stump speeches, she continually refers to herself as a "fighter." (None of this should sound ESE to you--b/c, well, she's not ESE...) If you read any interviews with those who've worked for Palin: they have said, 'this is a person who has been out to control her environment and win at all costs...'
* There has been NO exhibited preference for Si in any interview I've seen, i.e. nothing to suggest Si in ego. (Having a tanning bed in the governor's mansion does not count, lol... It was for 'seasonal depression,' she has said.) Also, just b/c she smiles a lot doesn't mean she's Fe-leading... Compare Palin's smiles to the smiles of Fe leading ppl, e.g. ESFj Bulluck or Paula Abdul... And then compare them to Fi-leading ppl, e.g. ISFj reese witherspoon... (another bad actress lol)
*In interviews, e.g. Gibson, Couric, when questioned about her future role as vice president, Palin has rattled off laundry lists of Te (e.g. "solving our energy woes")/ Fi ("fighting for special needs children") objectives... She has said NOTHING to suggest that she values Ti, (b/c she does not... She simply does not metabolize info hierarchically.)
Rick's summation of the ESI's type message sums up Palin's personality almost perfectly: "ESI - Recognizing and balancing people's needs and expectations." This is EXACTLY what she touts in her stump speeches about her "reforms" in Alaska... This is what she's PROUD OF.
I suggest to those who are considering ESFj for Palin--if they actually care--go back and take a serious look at the things she's said, and how she's lived her life...I don't believe it's any coincidence that the alphas I know feel complete and total antipathy for her, whereas many of the gammas I know feel sympathetic... ESFJ may be the correct typing in MBTI--but if you're looking at Socionics functions... Well, look fucking harder.
I'm not trying to start an argument here, since you are quite obviously very opinionated about this. However, I don't think you can take certain qualities and use those to say that she can't possible be ESFj. For example, just because she likes to hunt and has been in beauty pagents doesn't mean she can't be ESFj. Also, ESFj's can be quite forceful and controlling when they want to be. Besides, how is "fighting for special needs children" only a Fi quality? Are you saying that people with Fe can't care about special needs children? Her own child is special needs and therefore it makes sense that she would care about them, regardless of what her type is. Furthermore, most politicians will say whatever they think they need to say to get elected. It's kind of hard to judge a politician's type based off the statements they make in their speeches and interviews, since they may or may not be sincere. Also, if she types ESFJ in MBTI then she is most likely ESFj in socionics, since the functions are basically the same for extroverts.
I'm not saying you're definitely wrong, because maybe she isn't ESFj, but ISFj just does not fit in my opinion. She seems like too much of an extrovert to be ISFj.
just watched an interview with that bitch couric. I suppose Fi-ISFj is possible.
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I think McCain is Delta ST... (Compare with Delta ST Sir Alan Sugar--very similar...) I've slowly come to the conclusion that he's probably an ESTj whose energy levels appear low due to age/fatigue of campaigning/deathly pallor.
Personally, I find his life-story admirable; however, I've sensed that if I ever got into a room with him, shit would hit the fan pretty quickly... And this comes from someone who likes hard-headed old bastards who tell war stories.
In interviews, he and Palin seem to get along genuinely/compliment each other well... She softens him, and he makes her seem credible. It is a good team politically, and to be honest, I imagine they probably would've won this election (like Kerry/Bush, by just a little,) had fate not stepped in like an arsonist and lit the economy like a roman candle.
Even though he'll lose, McCain's gonna do better in the general election than ppl think... I know ppl haven't been answering that "would you mind voting for a black person?" question honestly... No one wants to admit they are a racist to a stranger asking their opinions over the phone.
i think she's the same kind of annoying moron as discojoe
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Sarah Palin
ESE or SEE?
I've watched a couple of episodes of "Sarah Palin's Alaska", and it's pretty clear to me that she's an ESE, as I've long suspected. Almost certainly a Dominant ESE, given her drive and somewhat controlling nature.
I think some people confuse D-ESEs with SEE, because D-ESEs aren't as "soft" and "nice" as other ESEs, and can be more aggressive (also, some left-wing Alphas don't want her in their Quadra because they allow their political views to influence their personal views). But to me, her mannerisms and behaviour fall distinctly within the ESE range. She certainly seems more EJ (has a view of what the slowly-changing reality "should be", and tries to keep it or make it so) than EP (sees reality as stagnant and unchanging, and impulsively acts to change things).
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