Delta: The Quadra that apparently doesn't exist

[JuJu]

Hi,

My name is JuJu, and I am Delta... You may remember me from such posts as "I went to Harvard," and an inflammatory video in which I filmed a man in a wifebeater cooking a steak...

Recently it's come to my attention that the Delta Quadra--supposedly one of the four quadras in Socionics--DOES NOT EXIST.

Indeed, nearly every member of our 'supposed' Delta quadra has been accused of/suspected of belonging to another quadra by some well-meaning Socionist and/or misinformed douchebag.

In this thread, I'm asking you to please state what other types/quadras have been suggested for you... And also, briefly, why it's sheisse (if it is,) and why DELTA fits the best, (if it does.)

It will be fun!!!! (We'll get to learn more about each other, and Socionics.)

...Fun except for maybe LokiVanguard, who, despite being SLI, may have to write a post as long as the dictionary...

[implied]

this is quite childish. i really find it difficult to give a shit either way. go read about gyugo.

[idolatrie]

Hi there fellow leprechauns,

So far my type has only been questioned by well-meaning Socionists, but every time the type of a Delta is questioned, God sends another leprechaun to the Giant Four Leaf Clover Patch In The Sky. So please, next time before you retype, think of the kitte...I mean, leprechauns!

Suggested type: LSI
- most likely alternative as it maintain ST club and rationality
- issue with Ti ego and introversion
- descriptions indicate a higher degree of control (both self and need for) than I think I demonstrate

Suggested type: SLE
- possible only because of ST and extroversion
- have been described as the most rational rational who ever rationaled, so...
- descriptions indicate more aggressive and unconcerned with harmony than I think fits me

Self-type: LSE
- descriptions have always fit the best
- based on my understanding of the functions, Te+Si makes sense
- looking at all the indicators holistically, most fit here (rational, extrovert, ST)

Please don't kick me out of delta. I've always felt most comfortable here!

<3 to the leprechauns.

[Park]

this is quite childish. i really find it difficult to give a shit either way. go read about gyugo.

+1

[idolatrie]

+1

Please take this thread in the spirit it was intended: playful and as some light-hearted fun to blow off steam. So far the discussions I've had about my type have been thoughtful and well-considered, and I have appreciated the discussions. But not everyone has had that experience.

[Park]

Please take this thread in the spirit it was intended

Why should I?

So far the discussions I've had about my type have been thoughtful and well-considered, and I have appreciated the discussions. But not everyone has had that experience.

What's your point? That this thread should offer that experience to those who have been lacking it?

[UDP]

edit: It's not even enjoyable to satire here anymore : /

[implied]

nice post, UDP. (;

[dbmmama]

Hi,

My name is JuJu, and I am Delta... You may remember me from such posts as "I went to Harvard," and an inflammatory video in which I filmed a man in a wifebeater cooking a steak...

Recently it's come to my attention that the Delta Quadra--supposedly one of the four quadras in Socionics--DOES NOT EXIST.

Indeed, nearly every member of our 'supposed' Delta quadra has been accused of/suspected of belonging to another quadra by some well-meaning Socionist and/or misinformed douchebag.

In this thread, I'm asking you to please state what other types/quadras have been suggested for you... And also, briefly, why it's sheisse (if it is,) and why DELTA fits the best, (if it does.)

It will be fun!!!! (We'll get to learn more about each other, and Socionics.)

...Fun except for maybe LokiVanguard, who, despite being SLI, may have to write a post as long as the dictionary...

i'm not delta and this doesn't seem like a very delta thing to do juju.

[Expat]

this is quite childish. i really find it difficult to give a shit either way. go read about gyugo.

Yes.

i'm not delta and this doesn't seem like a very delta thing to do juju.

And yes.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Yes.



And yes.

Considering the thread was made by a delta then it is delta.

[unefille]

Hey JuJu!

I don't think I can post in here at the moment. I'm too uncertain about my type right now (to be an NF seems to be a life beset with doubts), but maybe I'll post something later.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Hey JuJu!

I don't think I can post in here at the moment. I'm too uncertain about my type right now (to an NF seems to be a life beset with doubts), but maybe I'll post something later.

LOL.. Um wait..this is a joke right?

Well, personally i've been given INTj, ISTj, ISFp, ISTp, ESTj, ENTp and thats it. I've never asked to be typed as i've been confident of my type long before joining this particular forum. I guess it was nice of those to try to help convince me that I couldn't possibly be the type I am..well to be honest some of the advice really was meant in good faith, which I appreciated for that, but for the most part I never asked anyone about my type, or started a type thread, but I think my type queries seem to have settled down for some reason.

[Expat]

Considering the thread was made by a delta then it is delta.

Absolutely brilliant. Indeed.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Absolutely brilliant. Indeed.

Glad you agree. It's posts like that you have contributed here relating to the myth of what being a delta means, which can contribute to incorrect typings. It's like a list of mysterious do's and don'ts in order to be part of a quadra.

[JuJu]

Yes.

It seems to me that the ppl who responded badly to this thread, e.g. Expat, Implied, aren't Delta (admittedly,) and that the Deltas took it in the spirit intended... What to make of it?

[Expat]

It seems to me that the ppl who responded badly to this thread, e.g. Expat, Implied, aren't Delta (admittedly,) and that the Deltas took it in the spirit intended... What do you make of that?

Deltas are kind-hearted.

[tereg]

I'm gonna be honest JuJu. I saw this thread, and I thought it was a bit melodramatic.

[JuJu]

Deltas are kind-hearted.

I agree with that... (My old LSE boss could go a little nuts sometimes, but yeah, generally kind-hearted.)

If you have time, please articulate your argument.

I'm gonna be honest JuJu. I saw this thread, and I thought it was a bit melodramatic.

It's for fun man... no harm no foul

[DirectorAbbie]

Brilliand said he couldn't figure me out before he discussed it with me. He mentioned a couple of introverted things (I believe INTp was one) that he considered, but once I understood the types it was pretty easy to figure out what I was. And nobody has suggested otherwise.

[xyz]

Brilliand said he couldn't figure me out before he discussed it with me. He mentioned a couple of introverted things (I believe INTp was one) that he considered, but once I understood the types it was pretty easy to figure out what I was. And nobody has suggested otherwise.

Give it time.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

Suggested Types:

ENFp - seems to fit best so far; the one big discrepancy is my seeming IP temperament.

INFj - I'm not j, nor am I IJ.

ISFj - not even.

ENTp - This has been suggested, but I guess I'm too F for it.

INFp - IP temperament, yes. But valuing; I think a Se-leading would drive me up a wall.

INTp - I thought about this briefly before an ENTp told me I used too many exclamation marks.

Haha...we're only kind-hearted until we get PO'd. Then we're scary.

[jessica129]

Am I in some sort of alternate universe?? Why is everyone taking this thread so seriously? I got his point...it seemed lighthearted and almost even had a joking tone to it--why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch? Ugh. It's like the damn college statement, who cares. Relax people. Relaxxxxxx.

[JuJu]

Am I in some sort of alternate universe?? Why is everyone taking this thread so seriously? I got his point...it seemed lighthearted and almost even had a joking tone to it--why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch? Ugh. It's like the damn college statement, who cares. Relax people. Relaxxxxxx.

[tereg]

My contention is not with the thread itself, but the context and the things sort of simmering below the surface. I find it rather unfortunate and .

I don't really know how else to explain it, but the tone of the OP is... eh...

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You're right, I probably shouldn't be taking this so seriously.

[JuJu]

My contention is not with the thread itself, but the context and the things sort of simmering below the surface. I find it rather unfortunate and .

I don't really know how else to explain it, but the tone of the OP is... eh...

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You're right, I probably shouldn't be taking this so seriously.

I appreciate the concern re: the subtext... And you're right, there is subtext... To be honest with you, I wish it would end too--but at the same time, every time I make a post/thread, I dislike looking back and seeing that I've been insulted by the same three ppl--everytime--you know?

RE: this thread: I've noticed that just about everyone in Delta has, at one time or another, been told that they're not Delta... (Right now, I'm thinking of about 1000 posts aimed at LokiV and Jessica, despite all of the evidence they've given that they are Delta.) Currently, some ppl are trying to type me as a Alpha caregiver, lol, largely b/c I am 'conflicting' with them... Idolatrie and unefille have their own type threads going... You see what I'm getting at?

"You're not Delta" seems to happen to Deltas a lot--that's all I'm trying to say. It's cool that you took it seriously too... I don't mind... Honestly, I appreciate the concern for the atmosphere.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I don't think this forum is a place for deltas. That's probably got a lot to do with it.

[snegledmaca]

I've noticed that just about everyone in Delta has, at one time or another, been told that they're not Delta... (Right now, I'm thinking of about 1000 posts aimed at LokiV and Jessica, despite all of the evidence they've given that they are Delta.) Currently, some ppl are trying to type me as a Alpha caregiver, lol, largely b/c I am 'conflicting' with them... Idolatrie and unefille have their own type threads going... You see what I'm getting at?

Funny. I seem to be the only case of the reverse. In that I thought I was beta and now people are telling me I am delta.



Regarding this thread, here is my account of delta. Under the assumption that me and my friend are delta. Perhaps it will shed some light on delta behavior.

Regarding my friend, he's a narcissist. I have him pegged as IEE. He is also experience seeking, I'm guessing he is also an E7. He is also a bigot. But not in the true sense of the word. But in that Fi types can appear prejudiced way. He, at least he tells me, can pick up on whether a person is good or bad almost instantly. It's an ability of his. But he also has a tendency to overextend this to certain group of people. Nationalities of people. He has a problem with the jews for example. He doesn't like them. He is cautions and wary of people who are jewish. I, on the other hand, find this stupid. You can't judge a person before you met them. But like I said, he has this ability to pick up on the inherent quality of people, and apparently of entire classifications, groups. However I should also note that, even though his does this, treats people different based on how he perceives them or their class, he is guided by this mechanism for people distinction primarily. That is, even through he may be wary in the beginning once he asses the person he acts based on this assessment. That is, in the end classifications, divisions mean nothing to him. Quality of character is his final guidance. But he can get carried away by these assessments of his.

He isn't really that keen on deliberation and rationalization. That is, he prefers to act on impulse, fly by the seat of his pants. And he likes it that way. That way he can stir up things more. Activate his environment.

He loves to challenge people, their established notions, how they view things. He especially likes to entice people. For example we will walk next to a group of people whose lifestyle he disapproves and he will openly and loudly, so that they can hear him, criticize them. Like insult them. Our SEI friend tells him he will get a beating that way, but IMO all he seeks to do is challenge the validity of the choices that group of people made. That is, debate them. However, I agree with my SEI friend, one of these days he will get his ass kicked. But he does acknowledge this and he readily accepts the consequences of his actions, that is, he'll fight if necessary, he stands behind what he says. Oh, I forgot the mention that this rowdy behavior of his is when he is drunk. But I don't see much relevance there as when he is drunk he gets the audacity to do things we would have wanted to do when he wasn't drunk. In any case, he readily engages people in discussions on the validity of their choices in life and their character. Although somebody else might say judges and insults people on a personal basis.

Also, a personal impression, I get the feeling that his true area of strength is character assessment. Determining the virtues, flaws of people. I get the impression that he really has the ability to understand people, comprehend an individual. Although being superficially, initially narcissistic and bigoted can get in the way of that. He can definitely lack objectivity like that.

As for myself, I have written extensively about myself elsewhere. A couple of posts: here, here, here.

Regarding our relations, things are ok when we are one on one. But when he gets drunk and starts acting like this he tends to piss me off. However since I never directly approach these issues I just let it stew. But I don't concern myself or worry about it, how it will affect our friendship, this pent up, slowly boiling hostility, I let it follow its natural course. Personally I don't see the need to address it now. That is, the matter will be addressed when the need for it arises, when it boils over.

I tend to only address things when the need for it arises. I also have an incredibly ability to ignore / set things aside like this. That is, something along the lines of a joke where a man with a knife in his back went to see the doctor only to be turned down because their working hours were over. And got stabbed in the eye and referred to an optician who has longer working hours. But that part of the joke is irrelevant.

And this ability to completely set aside aspects of reality, not deal with them, extends to mental pursuits as well. I can hold views that are directly contradictory to each other with no problem. For example, in socionics I don't think any of the IME-s are valid. I don't think there is such a thing as Te, Fe, Ni, Se and the rest. Or to be more accurate, I think the form, manifestation of the IME-s is different from what is commonly accepted. But this doesn't bother me because I am able to build models independent of each other and completely do not care if they are contradictory. That is, I don't care for consistency, I freely examine various concepts independently of each other, on their own grounds.

And this is an integral aspect of my relation to my IEE friend. Because he has a lot of different novel ideas, but they are complete mess in terms of internal consistency. And I completely don't care. And even prefer it. Because discussions with him are like uncovering nuggets of gold. I'm like a prospector looking for nuggets of gold, ideas that can be taken, shaped, process and tuned into something valid. And I don't mind sifting through lot of rubbish along the way. And personally I don't even perceive it as that. I see it almost as an adventure. Because he exposes me to novelty. I think things I haven't before, reach new insights, conclusions about things. With his messed up perspective he exposes me to a completely new, unprocessed, perspective. And there is nothing I love more then exploring, processing a new perspective. Searching it for validity, seeing if I can make it work/function properly.

I love when we get together like this and start debating, discussing things. Initially he seems like he is simply guided by personal sentiments, he would like for these things to be relevant, he wants them to be valid, or simply is not aware how what he is saying is flawed some way. Normally it is based on his assessments of people I mentioned earlier. And his poor attempts to generalize them, create universal rules from them.

It's really funny, he is really good at getting people, he often provides me with insights that never crossed my mind, I never considered about somebody, and yet is so poor at making universal conclusions about things. At least in my eyes. And his fathers. I have his father pegged as Ti dominant, as LII. His father is able to swiftly (and with style) rip into my friends ideas. He shoots them down on a conceptual level, completely inhibits my friend. Not that I have seen this done extensively, but the rare occasion I have witnessed his interaction with his father his father completely shoots him down in his ideas. How he should live his life, what course of action to take and so on.

In essence I think my friend needs somebody who will not shoot him down, inhibit him like that, but somebody who will not care about the mess that he works with, but will go and sift through the mess searching for the relevancies, for the nuggets of gold. He needs somebody who would be willing to make it work, to find a way for it to work.

And I think this is how we complement each other nicely. I am always wiling to consider things, to be honest it is almost like a need for me, and his is always considering things, proposing things.

Also, our normal interaction is largely based around this. Like our jokes, everyday conversations and so on. For example with our joking we joke primarily by making references, conclusions. Lot's of internal type of jokes where one refers to something in an elaborate manner. Things that seem twisted and convoluted and if you are not in on it you will have a hard time figuring it out. Also you have to figure the joke out. There is no direct impact type of jokes, they are subtle, the jokes have layers, multiple ways of interpreting them.

We also often role play but this serves primarily as a vehicle for criticism. Of things we do not approve of. Things I mentioned as a flaw in my friend, the judgment of people who do not share his views, but now realize that I do it myself. For example we may for laughs make references like local hooligans, ridiculing them through it. In general ridiculing such behavior, people who exercise such behavior, the character of those people. This primarily spawns a discussion, debate on the validity of their views, on how they are different, on what motivates them to do what they do and so on. Sometimes it's genuine curiosity, but more often it's just judgment and criticism. I think it depends on our state of mind as well, how good we feel. Like this could be a way to release some pet up hostility brought on by something else in our lives, problems somewhere else are expressed as criticism, judgment here.

[ScarlettLux]

Am I in some sort of alternate universe?? Why is everyone taking this thread so seriously? I got his point...it seemed lighthearted and almost even had a joking tone to it--why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch? Ugh. It's like the damn college statement, who cares. Relax people. Relaxxxxxx.

Yeah, seriously.

Guh, I don't see any problem with this thread at all, whether or not JuJu is or isn't a Delta. Even if he is an IEE, why can't he make such a thread? Big fucking deal... it was pretty funny to me. I suppose "TRUE" Deltoids don't have any sense of humor, right?? They're always down to earth and uber serious, planting seeds in the dirt because gardening is their only real past-time. If they enjoy anything cruder than that, they're obviously NOT Delta. Jeez.

I really don't understand why these 3 Gammas (implied, niffweed17, Expat) in particular have such a huge grudge against JuJu. Perhaps he's ALPHA?!?!?!? OMG WHAZZAGOINONHURR?!?!

[Park]

Even if he is an IEE, why can't he make such a thread?

Who said he can't?

I really don't understand why these 3 Gammas (implied, niffweed17, Expat) in particular have such a huge grudge against JuJu. Perhaps he's ALPHA?!?!?!?

Or perhaps the "huge grudge against JuJu" exists only in your imagination.

[JuJu]

Yeah, seriously.

Guh, I don't see any problem with this thread at all, whether or not JuJu is or isn't a Delta. Even if he is an IEE, why can't he make such a thread? Big fucking deal... it was pretty funny to me. I suppose "TRUE" Deltoids don't have any sense of humor, right?? They're always down to earth and uber serious, planting seeds in the dirt because gardening is their only real past-time. If they enjoy anything cruder than that, they're obviously NOT Delta. Jeez.

I really don't understand why these 3 Gammas (implied, niffweed17, Expat) in particular have such a huge grudge against JuJu. Perhaps he's ALPHA?!?!?!? OMG WHAZZAGOINONHURR?!?!

(All those smileys=Fe leading! lol)

I really appreciate this, ScarlettLux... Thank you.

To be honest, I'm still under the impression that Expat is trying to be helpful... I respect him... I respect his knowledge about Socionics, and in private, he's been very gracious to me... In pubic, even when he's disagreed with me, he hasn't engaged in the sort of petty name-calling that the others have, and I appreciate that.

His first post in this thread makes me wonder if he doesn't understand the situation, (i.e. that Implied etc are essentially following me from post-to-post, harassing--and that I'm not willing just to 'take it' and say nothing,) or perhaps he isn't yet aware that when Deltas get pissed off, they can use satire to make a point, (see: Moliere, prominent French satirist, widely typed as ENFp by the Russians... On Rick's benchmark list as ENFp.) Not that my stupid post is comparable to the satire of a world-class writer, lol--I'm trying to make the point that Deltas can 'fire back.' There's nothing un-Delta about putting up a fight when attacked.

Regardless, I hope that my relationship with Expat does not devolve into the sort of bickering that's occurring with these other three ppl... I believe that he's better than that, and that he's posting in good faith, so I doubt it'll be a problem.

EDIT: Scarlett, you are INFp, yes? To be honest: Implied et al, INFp is a much better guess for me than ESFj... As Expat once said--and I agree--"NF" is pretty clear.

EDIT 2: Winterpark, there are a few ppl who seem to have grudges, it's true.

EDIT 3: glam is right... this is really stupid... can we please stop? please?

[ScarlettLux]

To be honest, I'm still under the impression that Expat is trying to be helpful... I respect him... I respect his knowledge about Socionics, and in private, he's been very gracious to me... In pubic, even when he's disagreed with me, he hasn't engaged in the sort of petty name-calling that the others have, and I appreciate that.


EDIT: Scarlett, you are INFp, yes? To be honest: Implied et al, INFp is a much better guess for me than ESFj... As Expat once said--and I agree--"NF" is pretty clear.

Yes, I think at least Expat's being civil about this whole ordeal. I respect him for that. The other two, imo, have gone down a bad road and it just seems to me that they are constantly attacking you now no matter WHAT kind of post you make... it's really weird.

And nope, I'm an EIE, but a stray few still say I'm an IEI-Fe. I've thought about it for ages, and EIE is where I am going to stay. It fits overall, much better than IEI.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I think it's pretty obvious that niffweed and implied have some sort of grudge against JuJu, as to Expat, i'm personally really not sure. I certainly hope not, his knowledge of socionics and other subjects is quite good and it would be a shame to see that lost..clouded in a cauldron of apparently pointless harassing. (This isn't a personal attack on you Expat fwiw, I simply am looking at what i've seen, and am hoping that this isn't the case with you.)