Originally Posted by
snegledmaca
Lot's of things to address here.
I know for whom it is intended. For people who are protesting that others are questioning their type and yet are not taking the steps to remedy the situation. That is quite obvious from what I wrote. And just because I named no names does not make my criticism any less valid.
Wrong.
First, what you say is equivalent to me criticizing people on their swimming and somebody completely unrelated, like say some cyclists, think the criticism is directed at them. And because in my criticism I never said, this applies, exclusively, to you swimmers, I should accept that the cyclist, or anybody who desires basically, can take it as if it was directed at them. And I should deal with this as well.
Of course, it is possible in such situations that the message can be vague, and one cannot determine exactly whether or not it refers to them. But this was not the case, as here it is quite clear to whom what I said was directed.
The message I wrote is intended for whom it is intended, which is obvious from the text itself. If people do in fact assume it is directed at them, perhaps because of the fact that I didn't provide a list of all the specific individuals to whom my claim refers to, and they are wrong, that is, my message is not directed at them at all, then that's their issue. That is, their incompetence, inability to determine whether I was referring to them is not my concern.
Second, my criticism is only valid if applied to those for whom it was intended. Even if people did think it was directed at them, and it wasn't, in such cases what I said would be invalid. So it would effectively be a non issue.
In essence what you are saying is that I should be careful about voicing my opinion because people might get upset over what I have to say. And if what I have to say indeed does upset them they will respond to me with emotional reactions, insults. That is, if I am to challenge people in the manner I did I should expect an emotionally laden reaction, not be sensitive to receiving insults as a reaction to my post.
I am not so sensitive to being insulted as much as I see no place for insults in a discussion. My orientation is primarily to resolve things/issues.
Like I said, it's just an impression. I expect your feedback on it.
If what I say is true, you feel that people should not examine, question your type because that is not necessary, your type has been already been established and people should move on, accept it, then I would say that points to a Se > Ne preference.
The thing about inhibiting mental exploration was drawn from the assumption that what I said before that was valid. But I guess you have a point, perhaps you simply don't care enough to be bothered by it. Disregard the assumption on the mental exploration.
Your main reason for not having a type thread is that it will turn into a circus. However I am not familiar with Jeremy Kyle so I'm not certain what kind of circus you mean. But I will assume it's the one where people boastfully and single mindedly argue with passion, for their case, what they believe in. Something like a religious debate, each competing in nullifying others stance, trying to win.
From this I would be lead to conclude that you do not like Fe and Se, that you can't handle nor want to deal with them. You perceive debating with fierceness and intensity as undesirable.
Under the assumption I properly understand what you mean by a circus.
God, this thing just keeps popping up. No, it has nothing to do with uncertainty. It's a matter of entertaining possibilities. How hard is it to understand that not everything has to be single minded, one is quite capable of holding, entertaining opposite, incompatible views with what they, currently, hold as valid.
When people present alternative views on my type I entertain them. I am curious as to how, why they think what they do. I want to know what it is that they see that I don't. I am curious as to how they can enrich my perspective. I am drawn to the novelty they bring.
Also, don't you like to simply consider alternatives for considering alternatives sake? And who knows, perhaps from considering the most remote, insignificant appearing things you actually discover that everything you hold to be true, your entire world view, is wrong, and everything you hold dear and true to yourself comes crashing down. Like your entire conception and view of the world is completely destroyed.
Why do you think socionics doesn't work in the forum and works elsewhere?
But I can explain.
Regarding the Ne PoLR, the relevant information:
Hypothesis that as far as you are concerned examining, questioning of your type is not necessary and other people should accept this and stop challenging your notion of your type. That you get to decide when and how your type will be questioned, if you wanted your type questioned you would start a thread about it, you do not want it questioned at random in a random fashion by some random person. That you have to have a reason to consider other types. That people are incompetent in socionics discussion.
My impression of you from that was that you are skeptical about ideas and activities that appear not to lead anywhere. You have an idea of your type, you have established that already, and the act of questioning your type would precisely be an activity that will lead nowhere. Along side of that you think people are incompetent in socionics, it doesn't work on this forum. These two combined lead you to deem that others should not engage in discussion on your type as doing so will not lead anywhere and because they are incompetent as well you try to restrict them in activities in areas you think they have no natural talent, which would be a socionics discussion on your type.
However, now I could also see a Ne role. In that you are uncertain of other people's motives, intentions, and abilities, like you say, if you go ahead and question your type it would turn into a circus, a mess, it will be a joke. You would prefer to have things clear and as a result give people clear commands and assignments, like not to question your type for no reason in a superficial manner, or to me to either put up a clear explanation or shut up. You also openly express mistrust and skepticism towards information that you don't have a clear idea how it has been derived, gotten. Like you say, how am I getting all of this, and that I should put up or shut up. You are also bothered by when people act in independent and unpredictable ways. The circus complaint and the BS you say people often sling at you regarding your type. My behavior here.
Regarding the dominant Ti, it was the stance of correctness and being right. You know exactly what is correct/appropriate, and how. That, is, you immediately recognize correctness and appropriateness of things and their proper place in reality and in your system of views and behavior. I should not expect to dish out criticism and not get any in return. How can I expect to make a point if I do not specify to whom it is directed. If I do not specify to whom I am referring to with my criticism I should expect people to think it is directed at them. How can socionics work on the forum if there are so many people changing their type on the forum. Most people on this forum have socionics wrong. A thread on your type will turn into a circus. I should put up or shut up regarding my stance on your type.
However, regarding your type right now my impression has shifted, I'd be more inclined to see you as SLE. In general I'd still say Ti in ego and Ne in the super ego. For the reasons presented above.