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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    charles bukowski
    Here's a good interview with Bukowski, who I've got no problem seeing as a butt-pinching, crusty, self-afflicting SEE looking for a good time, and someone to assure him that the mess it creates is all worthwhile. http://bukowski.net/poems/int-first.php

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    franz kafka <3
    Having read everything by Kafka except Amerika it's easy for me to accept him as ILI, but at times the powerless resignation and self-disgust in his brand of existential horror seems more 4w5 than 5w4, i.e. likelier to be IEI. I find this one a tough call so if you've got further insights to share I'd be interested in reading them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    Here's a good interview with Bukowski, who I've got no problem seeing as a butt-pinching, crusty, self-inflicting SEE looking for a good time, and someone to assure him that the mess it creates is all worthwhile. http://bukowski.net/poems/int-first.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    Having read everything by Kafka except Amerika it's easy for me to accept him as ILI, but at times the powerless resignation and self-disgust in his brand of existential horror seems more 4w5 than 5w4, i.e. likelier to be IEI. I find this one a tough call so if you've got further insights to share I'd be interested in reading them.
    Something that may be useful (or not): I find Kafka's thinking to be analoguous to my own, meaning, that his sometimes convoluted and dystopian imagery is similar to how I tend to perceive the world on a mediated level. It may mean that we share "cognitive style", if that concept bears any kind of usefulness. Anyway, if he were to be IEI, he would be one of the extreme Ni variety.
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    ive started reading love in the time of cholera by gabriel garcia marquez and my opinion so far is that i think SEE is a good typing.

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    Kafka was a paranoid wanker - splendid choice of Gamma role models.

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    Thanks for making me constructive, Kafka, I mean, FDG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Kafka was a paranoid wanker - splendid choice on Gamma role models.
    Grüß Gott Herr Absurd, Ich bin der Landvermesser. Wissen Sie, wo sich das Schloss befindet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Grüß Gott Herr Absurd, Ich bin der Landvermesser. Wissen Sie, wo sich das Schloss befindet?
    Didn't know that is your profession, anyway, ein schloss zu meinen fruchtsalat kriegst du nicht.

    I didn't know that is your profession, anyway, ein schloss zu meinem fruchtsalat kriegst du nicht.

    Franz Kafka, who died in 1924 at the age of 40, never married; yet, as his name gradually emerged from (mostly self-imposed) obscurity, his readers' fascination with his love life grew accordingly. Kafka's relationships with women were captured in a detailed correspondence, most of which has been published and interpreted by his biographers.

    His letters to his Czech translator, Milena Jesenska , reveal a man excited and tormented by a deeply erotic yet unattainable woman; the correspondence with his fiancée, Felice Bauer , shows his determination, and his failure, to achieve a state of balance in a relationship with a woman who was, intellectually, not a kindred spirit. His last and least-documented love affair was with Dora Diamant , with whom he spent the last year of his life. Her full story is told for the first time by Kathi Diamant (not a relation) in Kafka's Last Love.

    This biography is based on 15 years of research into the life of a woman who disappeared almost without a trace. As Diamant vividly shows, Dora's connection with Kafka did not end with his death.

    When they met in a north German seaside town, in the summer of 1923, Dora was a 25-year-old woman working for a Jewish children's charity. The children were refugees from the East, just as she was; she had arrived in Berlin from Poland a few years before, having rebelled against her father's Hasidic upbringing. She had traded East European Jewish orthodoxy and mysticism for secular Western enlightenment. She found freedom and independence, but at the expense of losing her family, most of whom later died in the Holocaust.

    She knew nothing about the writer Franz Kafka, but was powerfully drawn to him from the moment she saw him, even when she believed that the woman he was with was his wife (it was, in fact, his sister). Kafka, who had a profound interest in Hasidism and Jewish orthodoxy but very little knowledge about either, was fascinated by Dora's East European roots.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/b...-his-wife.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Something that may be useful (or not): I find Kafka's thinking to be analoguous to my own, meaning, that his sometimes convoluted and dystopian imagery is similar to how I tend to perceive the world on a mediated level. It may mean that we share "cognitive style", if that concept bears any kind of usefulness. Anyway, if he were to be IEI, he would be one of the extreme Ni variety.
    Given my propensity for (resonance with) similar thematic elements in Kafka's written though,t I suggest the following: assuming that you and I are both properly typed, Ni plays a stronger role than cognitive style does in shaping phenomenal representations of the dystopic form.

    Given the aforementioned, and insofar as it is difficult to see things clearly when they're held at a nose-length, I do think examination of said Czech writer vis-a-vis V-S and D-A cognitive styles will be decisive in establishing correct quadra assignment.

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    Samuel Beckett ILI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Samuel Beckett ILI?
    Could be ILI or LII. Didn't read much if anything by him so I can't say for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    charles bukowski
    Why do I always find his work full of one-sided observations and socially irresponsible? I want someone who likes his work to show me something I can like about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    ive started reading love in the time of cholera by gabriel garcia marquez and my opinion so far is that i think SEE is a good typing.
    I have all sorts of criticism for his work, too Now i sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inconnu View Post
    Borges, Marquez

    Both ILIs
    Marquez? I just got pissed off by his work. I should be more clear but haven't read it in years...~4/5

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
    Why do I always find his work full of one-sided observations and socially irresponsible? I want someone who likes his work to show me something I can like about it.
    i'm not sure what you mean by one-sided observations. how many sides should a person present in poetry?
    socially irresponsible - yeah. i'm inclined to think its sort of necessary to dismiss social convention for most good art, though

    i really, really love a lot of his writing. but recently socializing with my old creepy SLE uncle i was so immediately reminded of bukowski in terms of similarites in physical appearance and general attitude and now i can't help but have a diminished appreciation lol. i don't think he's somebody i would have actually wanted to know. (oh, that and the video korp posted where he kicked his [ex]lover omg) but his writing still resonates. i don't know enough about you and your tastes to be able to know what you would like in it. i like that its raw and unpretentious and accessible and that he can pluck emotional chords pretty hard while coming across real and conversational.

    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
    I have all sorts of criticism for his work, too Now i sad.
    i've only reached about the 100th page in the book so i haven't formed a strong opinion yet. i keep waiting for the excitement to pick up a little more, idk. it has its moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Neal Stephenson - Anathem
    Neal Stephenson - Cryptonomicron
    Robert Fiest - Magician
    Ian M Banks - Excession
    Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead
    I'm pretty sure Beta ST makes more sense for Ayn Rand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i'm not sure what you mean by one-sided observations. how many sides should a person present in poetry?
    socially irresponsible - yeah. i'm inclined to think its sort of necessary to dismiss social convention for most good art, though

    i really, really love a lot of his writing. but recently socializing with my old creepy SLE uncle i was so immediately reminded of bukowski in terms of similarites in physical appearance and general attitude and now i can't help but have a diminished appreciation lol. i don't think he's somebody i would have actually wanted to know. (oh, that and the video korp posted where he kicked his [ex]lover omg) but his writing still resonates. i don't know enough about you and your tastes to be able to know what you would like in it. i like that its raw and unpretentious and accessible and that he can pluck emotional chords pretty hard while coming across real and conversational.
    I did really connect with my ESI roommate's love of tangible poetry like you're describing, but Bukowski adds moral stuff to his immediate observations. That's what makes me all ugh about it. I do love me some observational poetry, tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    I think Mary Shelley was ILI. I'm judging by a biography I'm reading at her moment. Not her fiction, which I haven't read in quite some time.

    CS Lewis most certainly was not. Have you ever even read him? He's terribly sentimental. Even the philosophy.

    Sorry for not adding anyone more contemporary, Lungs. I tend to only read fiction by dead folk.
    My ILI friend likes Shelley a lot. . . I think Shelley's Frankenstein had more Fi, and thus more likely Gamma than Beta values than the work of other plausible Gammas brought up here. She certainly had beautiful and complex additions to the philosophical work of the feminist movement of her time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    Endgame could possibly be my favorite play. I've yet to read his other stuff though.
    I enjoyed parts of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
    My highschool teacher chose my twin and I to play them, and I really enjoyed the back and forth and the concepts. And the humorous depiction of faulty logic rocked. And the existentialist crises and connected emotion were poignant.

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    Also: I think Gabriel Garcia Marquez is more likely ISFj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inconnu View Post
    Umberto Eco - LIEs
    I have serious doubts about Eco being a Ni ego. I've only read Foucault's Pendulum, but, it seems like Eco is parodying Ni users with his parades of Satanists and Kabbalists and Aryan cultists who all have a distinct vision of the future. I think his love of information (Te) is genuine, but he seems to collect it in a compulsive, thirsty, dual seeking way. I'm inclined to call him a weak Te valuer with Ni in the Id block, or a Delta NF.

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    I'm getting to the point where I can pick up a book and form an opinion of the author's sociotype after reading a few pages.

    Started Time Salvager, by Wesley Chu, who is ILI as hell. His Starship captain is SEE and the novel's protagonist is SLE, the ILI's semi-dual. Chu seems to have a poor opinion of SEEs, which is not unusual for ILIs.

    It's always fun to see how other types are seen from one type's perspective.

    Write what you know, I guess.

    Day of the Triffids author, John Wyndham, is SEI.

    The Demolished Man author, Alfred Bester, is EIE.

    The Dying Earth
    author, Jack Vance, is ESE.

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