Noted comic book author; wrote Watchmen, among others.
I think his type is obvious.
Noted comic book author; wrote Watchmen, among others.
I think his type is obvious.
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Originally Posted by implied
I think a number of his works have a Beta quality to them (V for Vendetta, Watchmen).
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Apparently nobody cares about Alan Moore. Oh well.
I think he's a clear ILI.
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Originally Posted by implied
I saw IEI.
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eh, i think ILI
INTp
sx/sp
ILI seems very plausible, but I know zero about him as a person.
I think he's INTp.
If you haven't read Watchmen yet, do so. It's incredible.
Do you think there is any reason then as to why most of the works that he has written seem predominately Beta?
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I understand what you say, but I disagree.
I missed V for Vendetta for some reason.
I am familiar with
Watchmen
Miracleman
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
I think his early work, Miracleman is clearly written from a Gamma PoV, and the Beta aspects are actually a sort of "Gamma criticism".
I mention it because I think that's his take on Watchmen and League as well, but less obviously.
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Originally Posted by implied
I disagree as well and see his work (Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Swamp Thing) as being from a Beta perspective. His works are often driven by a sense of + ideology.
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What ideology do you see in Watchmen ?
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Originally Posted by implied
Primarily a question of utilitarianism and whether or not the ends justify the means.
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As in "end justifies the means", are you assuming that he agrees with Ozymandias?
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Originally Posted by implied
I do not think that Alan Moore does, judging by the parallel with the Black Freighter side story, and I happen to think that Ozymandias is an LIE.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Now I'm curious. Could you spell it out for me precisely where you see Moore as having a Beta perspective in Watchmen?
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Originally Posted by implied
Watchmen was a criticism of the dangers of certain Gamma behaviors and convictions. The style of Watchmen is seems closer to a Se/Ni grit of storyline that is highly similar to that of Frank Miller (also Beta). Watchmen did not reflect any Delta or Alpha ideology or values though they were present in some of the characters.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Originally Posted by implied
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V For Vendetta was altered a great deal for the movie.
In Watchmen, my impression is that the character for which Moore has the most sympathy is the original Nite Owl, Hollis Mason, who's a clear LSE; it could be argued that it was the way an ILI would see the supervisee, LSE. The same goes for the new Nite Owl, to a lesser degree.
I think that both Ozymandias and Rorschach are Gammas, LIE and ESI, both showing the Gamma "danger"; however, Ozymandias has quite a bit of EIE to him, as well. LIE-Ni if you will.
It is indeed a criticism of Gamma, but from the "inside".
I don't see any sympathy for Osterman/Dr. Manhattan. He seems like a sort of contemptuous look at Alpha.
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Originally Posted by implied
Also on Watchmen --
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Originally Posted by implied
Some people might say that Rorschach is Ti over Fi.
Yes, but I don't think so. There is a lot of Fi in him. His sense of connection to the other heros, which makes him warn them all; the incident that made him go nuts in the first place; his occasional "softening" by individual circumstances; and, in fact, I would say that his worldview was precisely about the lack of Ti.
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Originally Posted by implied
I'm glad you think the coolest character is ESI.
Also, what do you think about Dr Manhattan's actions (Mars, etc.) at the end of the book, as far as his character being "a contemptuous look at Alpha" goes? Was this, in terms of Socionics, Moore's way of striking a compromise between Alpha and Gamma?
I don't really remember a lot of the specifics in the story, since I read it about 6 years ago. I do remember having to change my pants afterward, though.
I don't think there is any compromise. Dr Manhattan is relevant only as a plot tool, and because of his power. His character is all about "pointless" Ne and Ti, with Fe seeking, and not much Fi; besides no focus on Se. He takes decisions with base on Ne and Ti, while Rorschach does with base on Se and Fi. He is all about Ne-Si; both his "Ni" and "Se" are a consequence of his power.
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Originally Posted by implied
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Originally Posted by implied
I don't know. I remember being more put-off by Rorschach's moral absoluteness than I was by Manhattan's aloofness. Manhattan seemed benevolent, though pathetic, but Rorschach seemed like an unstable loose cannon.
By the way, "benevolent, though pathetic" could also be said to apply to the two Delta characters, the two Nite Owls.
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Originally Posted by implied