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    Quote Originally Posted by Slava
    It deffinitly is, I think thats why some people go insane from it. They start to see things about themselves that they cannot handle. Thats why they say that if you have mental problem, you shouldn't do psychodelics. Personally, i've tried drawing and thinking under the influence of MJ and the ideas were hardcore in depth, and the images were very detailed and abstract. I also saw things I never realized before having many of my functions conciously integrated. One time I even became consious of my nervous system and felt it inside of my body which was scary. I also one time visualized and actualized how everyone is a brain inside a body, and i was able to visualize this in the external world overlayed on actaul people. I think MJ allows you to cope, and accept information that you were not able to deal with before. I read one time that the THC receptior is somehow related to trauma and a chemical that is released to trigger the receptor or something liek this, in order to cope with the trauma. But they don't know 100% for sure what the receptor is for. I know what its for :-). just kidding.
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    The active chemical in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, binds to the brain's cannabinoid receptors, which are known to be linked to pain sensations, emotion and movement. And in the past decade, researchers have identified chemicals made within the brain that are similar to THC.
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    I haven't read this whole thread, but just wanted to say that I don't think there is anyting wrong with adults smoking weed. It's not good for the brain if you get stoned every day, but taking just a few hits throughout the day/week, IMO, taking good for many people.

    The only reason that marijuana was criminalized was because of lobbying from the paper industry, and the main reasons it's still illegal are:
    1) Lobbying from pharmacudical companies
    2) Politicians use the issue as part of their marketing of their product (themselves) and many people think it's wrong because it's illegal...

    I'm sorry, but this ENTp girl needs a much better reason than "it's illegal" to not do something. No, I don't smoke anymore (except on rare occasions) because I see my brain as my greatest asset and it works better when I don't smoke (usually).
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    I can see many flaws in the above argument.

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    I can see many flaws in the above argument.
    I agree. For one, marijuana is expensive. Having an addiction that is expensive is not good for anyone. Secondly, it's a crutch. Having and needing a crutch to get through life when you could get by without it is never good. It breeds greed. If you get ahold of one, you want more. That is the principal of Capitalism.

    And it's psychoactive. Getting hooked on any kinds of drugs, even medical ones, is never good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cone
    I can see many flaws in the above argument.
    I agree. For one, marijuana is expensive. Having an addiction that is expensive is not good for anyone. Secondly, it's a crutch. Having and needing a crutch to get through life when you could get by without it is never good. It breeds greed. If you get ahold of one, you want more. That is the principal of Capitalism.

    And it's psychoactive. Getting hooked on any kinds of drugs, even medical ones, is never good.
    The truth is Cone, that cannabis can be even more readily produced than tobacco if it were legalized a pack of marijuana cigarette would likely be more inexpensive than the more harmful poison filled tobacco ones. It is also a very useful plant it can be used to make fabric and feed livestock and many other things aside from its medicinal qualities. I almost forgot to add that marijuana is not an addictive substance. Yeah, it should be legal but it never will be because of the effect it would have on the economy. MmmHmm. But that is just my opinion, and I'm not even a druggie anymore.

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    but I hear it makes men grow boobs.

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    but I hear it makes men grow boobs.
    Hey! Try it and let me know.


    And I'm glad that I'm rigt about somting for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cone
    I can see many flaws in the above argument.
    I agree. For one, marijuana is expensive. Having an addiction that is expensive is not good for anyone. Secondly, it's a crutch. Having and needing a crutch to get through life when you could get by without it is never good. It breeds greed. If you get ahold of one, you want more. That is the principal of Capitalism.

    And it's psychoactive. Getting hooked on any kinds of drugs, even medical ones, is never good.
    two things...

    Weed is not addictive to most people, especially when used in moderation as I suggested, and

    When used in moderation, weed it not expensive (less than $20 a week, and that's for high grade stuff and sharing with another light smoker), and it is not a crutch. If someone is getting totally stoned, then yes, perhaps it is. But if they are not... then how is it any different than eating chocolate, using aroma therapy, or watching 3 hours of TV (which IMO is even more mind numbing than 2 or 3 hits of weed a day, and that's even kinda a lot for the type of usage I'm talking about)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Molly
    Right you are, Sycophant. If the gov't could figure out a way to regulate mj and make money on it, you bet they would! It's just too far out of their hands right now. If they had been in on it from the beginning . . . Also mj has medical uses too as with cancer patients. It helps deaden their pain. And something about vision . . . ?

    Someone said in this thread that mj should be legalized and alcohol made illegal. You got my vote!
    Glaucoma. Marijuana can reduce intraocular pressure, alleviating the pain and slowing—and sometimes stopping—damage to the eyes. (Glaucoma is the leading cause of blindness in the United States. It damages vision by increasing eye pressure over time.)


    Good stuf Mary Jane is. Ha

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    I know someone with health problems and a terrible appetite (he's disgusted by food), and marijuana helps him eat. (Even with the increase in appetite his body mass index is still only, like, 17.) Who could argue with that? Can you think of any other appetite stimulant???????
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    Oooo I almost forgot about caffeine. I used to be a caffeine junky fairly much. I quit finally... you'd think it'd be easy to but it isnt lol.

    The reason I bring it up is because I remember a study I read where caffeine was showing that altho it aided in breadth of activity that it hampered depth of concentration/memory. Thats somewhat similar to the E/I dichotomy but more on a superficial/stereotypical level. I wonder how our society would be different without caffeine? It really isnt needed.

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    I agree. For one, marijuana is expensive. Having an addiction that is expensive is not good for anyone. Secondly, it's a crutch. Having and needing a crutch to get through life when you could get by without it is never good. It breeds greed. If you get ahold of one, you want more. That is the principal of Capitalism.

    And it's psychoactive. Getting hooked on any kinds of drugs, even medical ones, is never good.
    First of all it is dirt cheap in Canada...

    Second of all it is psychologically adictive to people, not a physical addiction like nicotine. It becomes psychologically addictive when you smoke it as a crutch, and do it alone.

    Marijuana breeds greed LMAO. The only thing it breeds is lazyness and passive behaviour.


    I understand the American mindset for many is different down there. I am not condoning its use, because there is not enough education on it to the general public and this leads to definite abuse

    However, if you are going to talk about this substance please be a little more informed.

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    with regards to caffeine, it makes me more alert, but more nervous in interacting with people.

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    Ok, sorry, I wasn't very informed about marijuana. I won't argue that way anymore.

    But tell me one thing: why do you use marijuana?
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    I dont any more, but it is more of a cultural thing here in Canada, and is becoming increasingly accepted.

    I do not use it because of professional reasons...

    Charges are not usually even laid on you unless you are driving intoxicated by it or you have 15 grams or over.


    You just have to remember to use it for social reasons, occasionally, and like you said, definitely not as crutch. The moment you stop your problems will return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cone
    Ok, sorry, I wasn't very informed about marijuana. I won't argue that way anymore.

    But tell me one thing: why do you use marijuana?
    I could write a thesis paper on all of the reasons that I believe marijuana should be decriminalized. But rather than going on that rant right now, I'll just direct anyone interested to the NORML website. It's not exactly unbiased, but it is a not-for-orfit organization with a lot of good information. Read the links to the pages about medicinal, industrial, and personal decriminalization. They make many good points about how ineffictive and harmful the last 60 years of marijuana prohibition have been.

    I smoke these days (which is only once in a while) because I like the taste, it gives my mind a rest (instead of it racing off in 20 directions like it usually does), and it makes sex even more fun.

    I know a few people who smoke it because of serious medical problems. Two of them can't afford health insurance, and both of them claim that it works better for them than Vicodin or Percaset ever did, and you would be hardpressed to find a person who will claim that daily pain pills are at all healthier than a couple bowls of weed a day!
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    MDMA definitely has the effect of making one "complete" or, if we speak in terms of socionics, self-dualised
    My Fe and Si get deeply enhanced, and Se is no more point of constant doubts. I guess it has something to do with unleashing subconscious material that is often connected with weak functions like (F and S). This functions don't have high priority in baseline state, but MDMA temporary makes me see the whole world in this normally not very broad-minded aspects.

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    holy shit...

    thats SELF DUALIZATION LOL

    I Heard it has some long term damage if you over do it, and Ive seen this affect some people I know...
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    I don't use marijuana. I used to but it was never that great for me. I use heroin once or twice a month though. Some would like to argue with me that this is unhealthy and I'm going to get addicted or OD or something of that nature. No, I'm not. I've been doing this for two or three years. I'm knowable about the drug and I know my own limits. I also smoke Opium and Salvia Divinorum from time to time. There I have admitted to my "hard" drug use on a public forum! And I did not even log off to do it. Just think. Haha. Good God. Go educated drug use!

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    hahaha I've read somewhere that pure heroin isnt' so addictive and infact one can use it for years without any serious damage. Salvia seems like something worthy and since it has no bad effects I'll try it someday...
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    They're still not going to legalize any of this.
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    Heroin is something that has and will ruine many, many lifes.. I've seen enough. Hope they won't legalize it someday.
    Most hallucinogens don't have any side effects. Salvia is prohibited only in three or four countries in the world including USA. It isn't addictive nor psychologicaly nor physicaly and most users give it up when they encounter their first bad trip which usually happens soon after they start to regulary smoke.
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    Yes. I know that Cone. Salvia by the way is legal. But just because something is against the law does not mean that I'm not going to do it. I'm stubborn like that. But I do hope that they wont legalize heroin because there are far to many stupid people in the world to deal with it.

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    lol Ive grown all sorts of salvia. Ive never even thought of using it haha. And here I thought it was purely aesthetic! :x

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    From all sorts only Salvia Divinorum has hallucinogenic effects.
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    holy crap kittens!

    http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/view...alviadalinorum

    Oh wow its legal here haha. Hmmm... I should buy seeds to see it irl.

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    wow, very beautiful!
    Yeah give it a try and if you encounter something interesting from socionics point of view during the trip please share it here
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    I get mine at bouncingbearbotanicals.com. I really don't think of it as a drug because it's not pleasant at all. It's very scary. It is however enlightening.

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    Guess what? They just found a new subspecies of weed! My husband just told me about it as he was reading his latest New Scientist issue.
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    15/10/2010 02:09 <Trevor> most of people get more extroverted from alcohol

    15/10/2010 02:10 <Trevor> then they continue drinking and are all introverted and are in pain

    15/10/2010 02:10 <Trevor> then they throw up

    15/10/2010 02:10 <Trevor> yeah
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    i took magic mushrooms last year and i could feel the damage i had done to my lungs from smoking. i didn't smoke a single cigarette all night. so it definately woke up my Si.

    anyone else of a different type try magic mushrooms? and what unconscious function did you notice come to the fore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by indigoroom View Post
    From all sorts only Salvia Divinorum has hallucinogenic effects.
    i smoked that years ago and i hallucinated thinking i was a playing card. i was the queen of hearts. my life up to that point was all just an illusion and i thought it was the funniest thing ever that it turned out i was merely a playing card. i didn't know anything about types back then but when you think of it in terms of socionics we are all like playing cards, playing our roles. i thought it was the funniest thing ever to see the nine of clubs coming towards me. it was like, i was such a dumm ass for thinking i was a person.

    it was one of the best experiences of my life, i felt really centred after it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
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    MDMA definitely has the effect of making one "complete" or, if we speak in terms of socionics, self-dualised
    My Fe and Si get deeply enhanced, and Se is no more point of constant doubts. I guess it has something to do with unleashing subconscious material that is often connected with weak functions like (F and S). This functions don't have high priority in baseline state, but MDMA temporary makes me see the whole world in this normally not very broad-minded aspects.
    yeah i'm starting to feel like i do on mdma. oooohhh i'm dualizing!

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    Curb your enthusiasm, humblepie.

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