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[Dee]

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[strrrng]

shut the hell up, dee.

[aestrivex]

do they exist? they certainly exist as far as being mathematical dichotomies which serve to chop to pieces the socionics model. ie IN+ES/IS+EN (aka carefree/farsighted) is still a dichotomy, albeit one that has no obvious useful application or readily apparent defining characteristic.

to answer a better question, reinin dichotomies are useless and have no readily observable meaning.

[implied]

to answer a better question, reinin dichotomies are useless and have no readily observable meaning.

this is basically how i had rephrased his question when i answered it. i also am pretty firmly convinced they only lead to confusion. i do think that some reinin dichotomies have use/are somewhat observable. however, their use as main method in typing a person is nothing short of horrid. basically i think they're useful only to further support a typing - not as a primary method.

[aestrivex]

i do think that some reinin dichotomies have use/are somewhat observable.

really? which ones? personally, i don't think i can think of any at this point that do both of fit and aren't explicable using functions.

[Logos]

really? which ones? personally, i don't think i can think of any at this point that do both of fit and aren't explicable using functions.

If Phaedrus was here, he would say, "If you understand the Reinin dichotomies clearly, as I do, then you would not be confused. Then you could clearly see the empirical basis of all the Reinin dichotomies, especially the Subjectivist and Objectivist dichotomy, which I have objectively observed. It is a fact that all LII are Subjectivists and all ILI are Objectivists. For all LII and ILI I have observed, this has proven to be true. It is a fact that the Reinin dichotomies are true. My home is made of adobe."

[Christy B]

Some of them appear to be valid (static/dynamic, merry/serious, and maybe even the aristocratic/democratic dichotomy). Should learn more about all of them though before making any judgment on their usefulness in typing.

[Joy]

Yes, but they're rarely useful for typing and never more useful than things like quadra values, temperaments, and even clubs.

People usually only have a few "apparent" reinin dichotomies, and sometimes appearances can be deceiving (someone who should be a positivist looks like a negativist, or whatever).

[Ezra]

Of course Reinin dichotomies exist; what do you think Reinin is famous for?

The question is not whether or not they exist, but whether or not we should apply them to socionics; that is, whether or not they're actually useful in the context of our wonderful theory.

From the little I know about the dichotomies (since I can't read Russian, I use wikisocion, which has limited information regarding many of the dichotomies), I think there is some use of them, but the evidence that certain dichotomies belong with certain types is fundamentally inconclusive.

[Slacker]

OMG Ezra wrote just what I was going to write. I was coming here to write, "The question isn't whether they exist. It's whether theyr'e useful." LOL.

I think there's something to them but the names and descriptions are so confusing and mixed up that IMO they aren't useful at all. Or almost not at all.

[redbaron]

OMG Ezra wrote just what I was going to write. I was coming here to write, "The question isn't whether they exist. It's whether theyr'e useful." LOL.

I think there's something to them but the names and descriptions are so confusing and mixed up that IMO they aren't useful at all. Or almost not at all.

exactly.

[1981slater]

IMO, Reinin dichotomies work: I suggest new forum members who don't know them to read this:

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...in_dichotomies

[ArchonAlarion]

Im not a fan of the dichotomies.

Maybe some sorta work, but... I'll have to see more of them irl before i believe it.