IEIs/INFps debating against LIIs and ILEs - how to get better?

[eliphalet]

Beta's heelp! What can I do to to argue better against my ILE and LII friends when they team up against me? Or pretty much against any other type..

Other IEI's I know have trouble with this, and I understand what they're trying to say but I can't help out. It's so frustrating... Grr, wish I had some SLE's to kick their butts sometimes, but I can't help but love those alphas nt's

[Darkstar]

read books

[reckoner]

read books

I second this. Without adequate knowledge of the subject, you stand no chance of competing with them in a debate/argument. When I'm in these situations, I either extract myself or quietly listen.

[Satan]

Talk louder

If that doesn't work, resort to violence.

After that you'll find people start agreeing with you, to keep the peace.

[Satan]

I second this. Without adequate knowledge of the subject, you stand no chance of competing with them in a debate/argument. When I'm in these situations, I either extract myself or quietly listen.

Lack of comprehension of a subject has never stopped me from argueing about it.

Well, actually, maybe it has on an occasion or two. It depends who you're argueing against.

[Gilly]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_logic

+1000000

This is why people think I am ILE

[strrrng]

so now alphas get to be the only logical ones AND the shallow fun-lovers ... HMMMMM

lol

[Jimbean]

Beta's heelp! What can I do to to argue better against my ILE and LII friends when they team up against me? Or pretty much against any other type..

Other IEI's I know have trouble with this, and I understand what they're trying to say but I can't help out. It's so frustrating... Grr, wish I had some SLE's to kick their butts sometimes, but I can't help but love those alphas nt's

ILE's think things out ahead of time, so you should at least do the same. Also, kick their asses with their undervalued or ignoring , as in, you are aware of some things that they are not.

If I had the time, I would offer to be your debate coach

[Blaze]

the biggest weakness in ILE/LII ideas, theories etc is their lack of consideration for the people factor, and, at times, practical application. so i would think an IEI would be able to punch holes in their arguments along the lines of the people factor.

[Jimbean]

the biggest weakness in ILE/LII ideas, theories etc is their lack of consideration for the people factor, and, at times, practical application. so i would think an IEI would be able to punch holes in their arguments along the lines of the people factor.

Yes, that I agree with, at least in my experience.

[misutii]

Beta's heelp! What can I do to to argue better against my ILE and LII friends when they team up against me? Or pretty much against any other type..

Other IEI's I know have trouble with this, and I understand what they're trying to say but I can't help out. It's so frustrating... Grr, wish I had some SLE's to kick their butts sometimes, but I can't help but love those alphas nt's

First you have to openly admit defeat so they'll stop tag-teaming you. Then use Wikipedia and the internet to find holes in their arguments and then isolate them from each other so you can confront them one on one. They've been tag-teaming you which means they've got each others backs, protecting each others weak spots, find out which weak spot belongs to who, wait until one or the other is alone and unprepared and then overwhelm them with facts that contradict them and demand quick explanations , then claim victory and lay low for a couple days.

only 60% success ratio though because of all the external variables

Or you can just find an ILE and/or LII to back you up and go two vs. two, this would be much easier and would come with a higher success ratio cause your ILE/LII would be able to lay the Ti smackdown non-stop so long as you're feeding him/her with Fe. It would be like the difference between a race car with a pit crew vs. 2 race cars w/no pit crew or something like that lol

[eliphalet]

Hahah, Blaze, eff the law, I wants cookie

First you have to openly admit defeat so they'll stop tag-teaming you. Then use Wikipedia and the internet to find holes in their arguments and then isolate them from each other so you can confront them one on one. They've been tag-teaming you which means they've got each others backs, protecting each others weak spots, find out which weak spot belongs to who, wait until one or the other is alone and unprepared and then overwhelm them with facts that contradict them and demand quick explanations , then claim victory and lay low for a couple days.

only 60% success ratio though because of all the external variables

Or you can just find an ILE and/or LII to back you up and go two vs. two, this would be much easier and would come with a higher success ratio cause your ILE/LII would be able to lay the Ti smackdown non-stop so long as you're feeding him/her with Fe. It would be like the difference between a race car with a pit crew vs. 2 race cars w/no pit crew or something like that lol

This post was so funny... They've actually jokingly ask me for citations, and I'm like this isn't wikipediaa beetchh.

There is my LII sister, but she's Ne subtype and can't scare a fly so she's useless.

[misutii]

There is my LII sister, but she's Ne subtype and can't scare a fly so she's useless.

USELESS!?! This is unacceptable, you must battle harden her with passionate debates over esoteric intellectual topics, like those found in this book: http://www.amazon.com/Foucaults-Pend...8997190&sr=8-1 , until her brain is a) well oiled b) about to combust, and then unleash her inner beast on your opponents!! Though the long-term consequences for your dear sister may be dire, especially if it all fails (she'll forgive you, that's what family is for right?), but think of the glory! only probability is against you so you need more dice!

[betterthan]

''The best way to get the best out of an arugment, is to avoid one.''

Arguments, just make people resent you and go on the defensive, no matter what arguments you bring up, they will justify their own, to get them to back down and change their mind is pretty much impossible...even if you are right.

But if your really bent on it, IEIs are good at arguments if they learn to take in information objectively, intead of only taking in information to reinfroce/support their beliefs.

[force my hand]

Just point out that laws have been repealed in the past, and therefore, using them over ethics or morality as a basis for what's 'right' is flawed. Then chide them that they should know that already.

[Suomea]

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