American Beauty

[Ezra]

Lester: IEI
Carolyn: ESE
Jane: ILI
Ricky: IEI, but almost like a strange Se ego hybrid; Lester reacts well to what seems to be his strong Se "you just quit your job like that? I think you just became my hero" etc.
Angela: EIE
Col. Frank Fitts: LSI
Buddy: LSE
Barbara Fitts: EII

Some of those seem a bit off, but especially people like Lester I actually found pretty tough to type (although I think IEI isn't such a bad fit; he's clearly Se valuing, but weak in it, and he has these thoughts I'd attribute to Ni, like at the end of the film). Obviously Mrs. Fitts was pretty minor, but she still had enough screen time for me to care, and I think her relationship with her husband was evidently shit; so much so that they could easily be from opposing quadras, and the Colonel was definitely an LSI; a very good example of one, in fact. Jane I thought had weak, unvalued Fe, but that could just be because she's a moody teenager. However, I do think a) she reacted extremely poorly to her mother's Fe heavy way of life, and b) was Fi valuing (she seemed to be far more wary of those she hated and of those she loved than of anything else).

[Banana Pancakes]

Lester: SEI is my best guess, obviously IP, but I think He's Si > Ni
Carolyn: xIE - obviously EJ, but I don't think she's Si. She behaves in the way Si POLR behaves with things like the beer on the couch.
Jane: ILI sounds good, but maybe xII would work.
Ricky: IEI
Angela: this is the cheerleader, right? SEE
Col. Frank Fitts: LSI mos def
Buddy: not sure who that is
Barbara Fitts: EII

[Ezra]

Buddy: not sure who that is

He's the guy who shags Carolyn.

[IBTL]

Lester Burnham SLI
Carolyn Burnham LSI
Jane Burnham SEi
Angela Hayes IEI
Ricky Fitts ILI
Colonel Fitts LSE
Barbara Fitts EII
Buddy Kane LIE

[darya]

This is probably way off, but as far as I can remember:

Lester: SLI (SEI?)
Carolyn: LSI
Jane : IxI
Angela: EIE
Ricky ILI

[silke]

i remember thinking that this movie is one protracted 3w4 daydream, then I've decided to look up the director Sam Mendes and the screenwriter Alan Ball and it all became clear. rather heavy sp+soc and 3w4 imprints in the storyline and in the filming.

Lester: SEI (ILI/SLI could also work) sp-first
Carolyn: ESE sp/so (7?)
Jane: SEI sp/so
Angela: SEE-Fi
Ricky: LII-Ti 3w4
Colonel Fitts: LSE
his wife, Barbara: IEE-Fi
Buddy: 3w4

http://megashare.info/watch-american...-online-TVRZeg

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

How does the closet homo have beta values though? Just explain that to me, because I'm confused. Honestly I don't have much experience with LSIs to know, but are you saying he's duals with the rather flamboyant, actor-y EIEs? Cause meh, I just don't see that. It's true, he hated his own homosexuality and probably anything 'diva-related' in his own persona, but I always viewed him as more Delta or even Gamma.

I don't know. They ARE hard to type. I think the colonel was too fucked up it was hard to tell. Because him being an actual homosexual is too interwoven with messy gender roles on top of everything, which might be where you're getting your well-meaning but (maybe) faulty impressions.

His wife being EII makes sense, I think.

Oh and even if he did eventually come in terms with his gayness (and I think of Robert Reed here in a similiar light) I think he would be much better off with a person who continued to view his homosexuality as serious & 'epic' rather than light-hearted and 'pssh, it's no big deal.' I think it was more complicated than him simply hating his own gayness. I think ironically, he loved it too much.

I think the whole concept of 'epic' is a beta quadra value but I'm not so sure on serious per se. That seems more gamma or delta. But I'm getting ahead of myself here.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Oh this is a good vid:

[Park]

The best fucking movie ever. Whatever type is Lester, that'd be me. And Kevin Spacey is a fucking genius.

[Ezra]

I do think that there is a chance Jane is IEI though, but I guess ILI can work.

Yeah, I agree with that. She was pretty tough to type, because she was pretty deadpan the whole way through.

How does the closet homo have beta values though? Just explain that to me, because I'm confused.

He was always rattling on about structure and discipline, Ti-related values. And I hardly think a Colonel would be Ne creative.

Kevin Spacey [the actor] was previously typed SEI. What I know of him myself is consistent with that typing.

I may be able to dig that typing. It could make some sense over IEI.

[Park]

Another type that has been suggested for Kevin Spacey in the past is SLI.