Beta ST Club

[Ezra]

I'm going to start this if there's enough interest.

Benefits of Membership

- You can parade around some kind of signature which shows just how legendary we are
- You will command the respect of not just the huge amount of IEIs and EIEs on here, but probably ILIs, SEIs, ESEs and LIEs
- You will look awesome

Criteria for Membership

- You must be Beta ST
- You must be UDP

When enough of us show interest, we'll devise a signature that Beta STs can wear, and other types can covet like the dirt they are (Beta NFs fear not; you are hierarchically brilliant, and if this doesn't go down well, we'll create another club for ALL Betas).

JOIN TODAY, AND WEAR YOUR SIGNATURE WITH PRIDE!

[Darkstar]

Hey, carla!

show that ...

eh, to be ontopic I think the criteria will limit the number of members to 2, what do you other people say?

[Ezra]

Ezra you have terrible logic. And I'm not even saying you aren't ESTp, unlike your own self, at this time.

You can't decide of I'm ESI or LSI. You're enroute to calling me LII, because you "resent" my "lack of Se" the most - it's been done before.

It's like if you keep making huge claims, and changing them, one of them has to be right!

And you just excluded yourself from your own damn club, Mr Beta ST.
So now there's only one beta ST on the forum, and, apparently he is a moralizing E5.


Sure makes me want to vote for you as admin of wikisocion........



More serious: Ezra did something happen in your life that is making you focus on socionics so much? You seem to be overdoing it. Maybe you need a break or something.

I find people interesting. I'm not really overdoing it, as I explained that I devote around 10% of my life it. Or was it 5%? Can't remember. Bottom line is, fuck off, UDP, and worry about yourself. I can assure you, there are far more positive, healthy, normal sentiments on this board regarding me than there are you. You're the one with the problems, not me.

[discojoe]

Whatever, UDP. At least my head isn't shaped like a vagina.

[Ezra]

Whatever, UDP. At least my head isn't shaped like a vagina.

Haahaahahaha

Ezra, is this really a way to talk about your POLR and DS? Granted, perhaps you misunderstand them so much you're liable to talk nonsense about them. The first quote is pretty unambiguous though.

Course it's fucking unambiguous. It is in short telling UDP to fuck off. He's an idiot.

DS wtf?

[Darkstar]

Carla, I'll come back for you.

[Ezra]

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Sorry, that's my abbreviation for the "dual-seeking [function]"

No no no, I know what it is. I was just saying, that is how I... felt about Ni.

I've since (today, coincidentally) realised that I am not as adept in Ni as I thought I was.

Regardless of why you said it [which itself raises another point, but maybe later], how you said it isn't what I would have expected from a type remarkable for its insecurity with .

Well, when people say good things about me, and people say bad things about UDP, it's clearly obvious that more people like me than they do him. He's a little bitch, I'm not.

[Ezra]

Why?

Because in life, Ni as I understand it; I just don't use it. I've begun to see situations in which you can use Ni, and how I don't use it in said situations e.g. watching films or reading books and keeping track of the time and the characters and how they relate to each other, and how the time scale fits in with them, and how information in non-fiction books has a chronology which relates to the information so that a Ni adept individual, especially, perhaps, a Gamma NT would be able to keep up with all of said information very easily, keeping track of all the characters in the film or book, even when there's a lot of info to take in.

Or why did you trust the "feeling"?

I always trust my instinct.

I'm not quite sure about your premise or your conclusion.

Well I am. I take "I <333 Ezra" to mean that someone likes me. I take "Whatever, UDP. At least my head isn't shaped like a vagina" to mean that UDP is a prick.

[UDP]

I'm going to start this if there's enough interest.

Benefits of Membership

- You can parade around some kind of signature which shows just how legendary we are
- You will command the respect of not just the huge amount of IEIs and EIEs on here, but probably ILIs, SEIs, ESEs and LIEs
- You will look awesome

Criteria for Membership

- You must be Beta ST
- You must be UDP

When enough of us show interest, we'll devise a signature that Beta STs can wear, and other types can covet like the dirt they are (Beta NFs fear not; you are hierarchically brilliant, and if this doesn't go down well, we'll create another club for ALL Betas).

JOIN TODAY, AND WEAR YOUR SIGNATURE WITH PRIDE!

Ezra you have terrible logic. And I'm not even saying you aren't ESTp, unlike your own self, at this time.

You can't decide of I'm ESI or LSI. You're enroute to calling me LII, because you "resent" my "lack of Se" the most - it's been done before.

It's like if you keep making huge claims, and changing them, one of them has to be right!

And you just excluded yourself from your own damn club, Mr Beta ST.

Criteria for Membership

- You must be Beta ST
- You must be UDP

So now there's only one beta ST on the forum, and, apparently he is a moralizing E5.


Sure makes me want to vote for you as admin of wikisocion........



More serious: Ezra did something happen in your life that is making you focus on socionics so much? You seem to be overdoing it. Maybe you need a break or something.

[discojoe]

I'm joining, with the caveat that I am neither Beta ST nor UDP.

[Wittmont]

So it will be like a Beta ST club for Gentlemen without Beta ST's and no Gentlemen?

[UDP]

That's a very cute post, Allie. Thank you.

[Minde]

To start off with and as an aside - Just because more people like you doesn't make you a better person. Anyway...


Ezra, you have no right to complain about attacks from UDP. You were the author of this thread, right? And the point of this thread was... what? From what I understand, it was a jab at UDP, at least partly. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

If you throw mud at someone, you can't complain if they throw mud back at you. If you hit someone, you can't complain if they hit you back. You jabbed UDP, he jabbed back. If you can't take what you dish out, stop dishing it out.


UDP - and I mean this in the nicest possible way - you're an idiot to respond to such harmless provocation. I know you know better. Why do you feel you have to say anything? Why do you let what he says get to you? Unless his words have some weight, you should have no need to react to them.


Honestly, both of you disgust me right now. Your bickering is so pointless and messy. And, believe me or not, I'm only saying this because I actually have a bit of liking for both of you. Otherwise I wouldn't really care what you say to each other. You could bash each other silly, for all I care, because you both deserve it. But I do like you and it's stuff like this petty squabbling that repels me. The people I esteem and like have more respect for themselves and others.

I understand that I am small and insignificant and that most people likely couldn't care either way what I think of them. And that's fine; I can accept that. But if you do happen to care what I think, please take into account that this behavior is repulsive to me.

[UDP]

To start off with and as an aside - Just because more people like you doesn't make you a better person. Anyway...


Ezra, you have no right to complain about attacks from UDP. You were the author of this thread, right? And the point of this thread was... what? From what I understand, it was a jab at UDP, at least partly. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

If you throw mud at someone, you can't complain if they throw mud back at you. If you hit someone, you can't complain if they hit you back. You jabbed UDP, he jabbed back. If you can't take what you dish out, stop dishing it out.


UDP - and I mean this in the nicest possible way - you're an idiot to respond to such harmless provocation. I know you know better. Why do you feel you have to say anything? Why do you let what he says get to you? Unless his words have some weight, you should have no need to react to them.


Honestly, both of you disgust me right now. Your bickering is so pointless and messy. And, believe me or not, I'm only saying this because I actually have a bit of liking for both of you. Otherwise I wouldn't really care what you say to each other. You could bash each other silly, for all I care, because you both deserve it. But I do like you and it's stuff like this petty squabbling that repels me. The people I esteem and like have more respect for themselves and others.

I understand that I am small and insignificant and that most people likely couldn't care either way what I think of them. And that's fine; I can accept that. But if you do happen to care what I think, please take into account that this behavior is repulsive to me.

absolute truth - this, right now, is the first time I saw this post.


(I had not bothered to look at the thread until now because I thought it would be pointless to return to it after my last post.)

[UDP]

UDP - and I mean this in the nicest possible way - you're an idiot to respond to such harmless provocation. I know you know better. Why do you feel you have to say anything? Why do you let what he says get to you?

I really don't know. It's not a thought oriented thing, it's a visceral reaction.

Unless his words have some weight, you should have no need to react to them.

I'm working on it.

Honestly, both of you disgust me right now. Your bickering is so pointless and messy. And, believe me or not, I'm only saying this because I actually have a bit of liking for both of you. Otherwise I wouldn't really care what you say to each other. You could bash each other silly, for all I care, because you both deserve it. But I do like you and it's stuff like this petty squabbling that repels me. The people I esteem and like have more respect for themselves and others.

Mmm. I agree it was pointless and messy.
I'm glad that you like us enough to care.

I wonder if this is one of those two things where if two guys got into a scuffle (fisticuffs) it would sort of beat each other up a bit, it would work itself out. I'm not really an advocate of that, and there is the potential that it could actually backfire and make things worse. But, clearly, we're fighting over nothing important (on the forum), so perhaps some sort of trivial thing like that would be what, instinctively, we're both leaning towards. Sometimes, guys that "dislike" each other get into a scuffle and then become great friends. Anyways, it's unlikely that it will happen, but it was just something I thought of now.

I understand that I am small and insignificant and that most people likely couldn't care either way what I think of them. And that's fine; I can accept that. But if you do happen to care what I think, please take into account that this behavior is repulsive to me.

I don't think you are insignificant or small, I do care what you think, and I will keep in mind that you don't like that sort of behavior.

[strrrng]

his thread is full of shit. UDP is continuously harassed and verbally assaulted all over the forum, and he can't say shit for fear people will use sheerly vulgar and obscene language against him. I'm not defending him just because I like the guy or because he is in anyway fully innocent over these years, but the response to this thread borders on disgusting, save for Minde.

He can say shit. Or better yet - he can NOT say shit. He can not say stupid stuff that deserves critical responses.

And if we assume that UDP's post was stupid(it was slightly, but this is the past), did he need such visceral comments such as "fuck you"? It simply continues the cycle of idiocy and was entirely uncalled for, along with showing an inability to discuss civilly.

It wasn't just stupid; it was presumptuous and pathetic.

Nick, wtf? Allie brought the forum to new lows of moral deprivation, and you say she made UDP look like an idiot. More like herself. What was he supposed to say, "Girl, don't make me take off my belt!"? What he said actually bordered on admirable, refusing to continue the rampant showing of bullshit from all sides.

What she said to UDP about not judging people on how he thinks they should or shouldn't live made perfect sense to me. What "moral deprivation" are you referring to? lol, the reason he responded that way was because she was correct in assessing his motives and he had nothing better to say.

[strrrng]

wtf lol, kamangir, your post is gone.

[Darkstar]

I saw a pic of UDP he looks like batman!!

[Ezra]

It's just that there are some literally obvious stimuli (the 5 senses and such) but whether or not one has Ni doesn't typically fall beneath that category.



Whether or not there's anything amiss here, there would still appear to be open sides to your "box". So it may be premature to insist upon reading between the line segments.

So in other words you're saying you don't think I am definitely an SLE.

To start off with and as an aside - Just because more people like you doesn't make you a better person. Anyway...


Ezra, you have no right to complain about attacks from UDP. You were the author of this thread, right? And the point of this thread was... what? From what I understand, it was a jab at UDP, at least partly. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

If you throw mud at someone, you can't complain if they throw mud back at you. If you hit someone, you can't complain if they hit you back. You jabbed UDP, he jabbed back. If you can't take what you dish out, stop dishing it out.


UDP - and I mean this in the nicest possible way - you're an idiot to respond to such harmless provocation. I know you know better. Why do you feel you have to say anything? Why do you let what he says get to you? Unless his words have some weight, you should have no need to react to them.


Honestly, both of you disgust me right now. Your bickering is so pointless and messy. And, believe me or not, I'm only saying this because I actually have a bit of liking for both of you. Otherwise I wouldn't really care what you say to each other. You could bash each other silly, for all I care, because you both deserve it. But I do like you and it's stuff like this petty squabbling that repels me. The people I esteem and like have more respect for themselves and others.

I understand that I am small and insignificant and that most people likely couldn't care either way what I think of them. And that's fine; I can accept that. But if you do happen to care what I think, please take into account that this behavior is repulsive to me.

Eh eh eh! There'll be enough of that!

If you're repulsed by something, that's your problem, not mine.

I can say what the fuck I like to UDP. If he provokes me, I do likewise. And vice versa. It's the way of the world. I think he's a dick, and he thinks... whatever he... thinks of... people. It's the way of nature; of human interaction. I don't belt up just because it's respectful to do so. I respect people worth respecting - honest, independent characters with strong integrity; not that worth less than dirt on my trainer.

[Minde]

If you're repulsed by something, that's your problem, not mine.

Take heed to your own words then, please. If you don't like UDP, by your logic here you should keep it to yourself and not bother other people with it.

...And, as I already indicated, I realize that you are free to listen or not listen to me. But that does not mean that by necessity I must remain silent. Only that you can ignore me if you wish. There's no one forcing you to read this.

I can say what the fuck I like to UDP.

Then, if you are consistent, you should be fine with me saying what I like to you. And, to carry it further, you should be fine with whatever UDP says, too.

If he provokes me, I do likewise. And vice versa. It's the way of the world. I think he's a dick, and he thinks... whatever he... thinks of... people. It's the way of nature; of human interaction.

It may be the way of the world, but that doesn't make it right or good. It may be the way of nature, but I believe people can be better than mere animals.

I don't belt up just because it's respectful to do so. I respect people worth respecting - honest, independent characters with strong integrity; not that worth less than dirt on my trainer.

Integrity, huh? Do you strive for that?