Truth about MBTI and Socionics

[mikemex]

@Hitta:

You don't seem to understand that typology is a way to present and structure information and not the information itself. Even if Socionics was completely flawed, say, neither functions nor types had direct correspondence with reality, it is still a more convenient way to categorize people than the traditional method of psychology in which there is virtually an endless spectrum of possibilities.

[Hitta]

@Hitta:

You don't seem to understand that typology is a way to present and structure information and not the information itself. Even if Socionics was completely flawed, say, neither functions nor types had direct correspondence with reality, it is still a more convenient way to categorize people than the traditional method of psychology in which there is virtually an endless spectrum of possibilities.

This system doesn't change the fact that there is infinite possibilities. Its not like the possibilities jump out the window because this system exists. They are still there. Socionics is an abstraction, it doesn't fit people closely enough to truly understand someone. You can't prove that extraverted intuition or extraverted feeling exist as if it is a categorical thing. There are no categories, there is no provable objective truth for us to know this way. Truth is something that fits everything, and there is nothing a person can think of that fits everything unless it is something that is not defined by reality. People are possibly much more deep than this system is capable of predicting. Socionics is a theory and only a theory.

[Phaedrus]

This system doesn't change the fact that there is infinite possibilities.

There are not infinite possibilities in reality. That is total relativistic bullshit crap. But of course there are infite possibilities for you to draw incorrect conclusions and for your brain to go spinning.

You can't prove that extraverted intuition or extraverted feeling exist as if it is a categorical thing.

You insist on keeping your eyes closed. You refuse to observe reality directly. Extraverted intuition and etraverted feeling are not theoretical constructs. They are empirical phenomena that have been observed long before Socionics as a theory was constructed. The types were not invented by Socionics. We have known them for centuries.

There are no categories, there is no provable objective truth for us to know this way.

Relativistic idiot. The types are observable real essences. It is not up to us to decide which categories to choose. Reality chooses them for us.

Truth is something that fits everything, and there is nothing a person can think of that fits everything unless it is something that is not defined by reality.

Relativistic bullshit.

People are possibly much more deep than this system is capable of predicting. Socionics is a theory and only a theory.

But the types exist in themselves independent of Socionics.

[Hitta]

There are not infinite possibilities in reality. That is total relativistic bullshit crap. But of course there are infite possibilities for you to draw incorrect conclusions and for your brain to go spinning.


You insist on keeping your eyes closed. You refuse to observe reality directly. Extraverted intuition and etraverted feeling are not theoretical constructs. They are empirical phenomena that have been observed long before Socionics as a theory was constructed. The types were not invented by Socionics. We have known them for centuries.


Relativistic idiot. The types are observable real essences. It is not up to us to decide which categories to choose. Reality chooses them for us.


Relativistic bullshit.


But the types exist in themselves independent of Socionics.

The Preacher has spoken. We must accept it. This is what true faith is. We can not question truth. It has been written by Phaedrus as to what objective truth is. Only Phaedrus knows the way. So we must put our trust in the god, Phaedrus. Let us bow our heads. And pray.

Lord God, creator of all truth, we ask of you to grant us your wisdom, so that we can better succeed through our lives. And though you have yet to tell us why we are here, or where "here" exactly is, we will not question you. We know that you are the true thinker, the supreme being. You see through the illusions of life and grant us peace of mind. We ask in your name to continue to grant us this peace and prosperity; and to continue to give little snippets of truth every now and then like you do.

We pray to the Lord, Phaedrus. Amen.

[Phaedrus]

The Preacher has spoken. We must accept it.

Yes, the Preacher has spoken. And you must accept the facts.

This is what true faith is. We can not question truth.

Anyone can question the truth, but questioning a true statement doesn't somehow magically turn it into a false statement. You can question something on good grounds, or you can question it on bad grounds or no grounds at all. People who are questioning true statements are of course wrong, and people who are questioning true statements for the wrong reasons are idiots. You fit in both those categories.

It has been written by Phaedrus as to what objective truth is. Only Phaedrus knows the way.

No, I am not the only one who knows the truth and can separete facts from superstitions.

So we must put our trust in the god, Phaedrus. Let us bow our heads. And pray.

Do that if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't suffice to save you.

Lord God, creator of all truth, we ask of you to grant us your wisdom, so that we can better succeed through our lives. And though you have yet to tell us why we are here, or where "here" exactly is, we will not question you.

Good. You will make a nice little puppet.

We know that you are the true thinker, the supreme being.

No, you don't know it. You only believe it -- on unsufficient grounds.