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Last edited by ifmd95; 04-13-2011 at 12:18 PM.
Most women are ethical. So are most men.
Perhaps where you live...Originally Posted by Joy
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
lol
actually, italian men have a worldwide reputation of being anything but tough and macho!
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Sometimes I wonder if Phaedrus is a robot programmed with automated responses.
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Yeah, I think that is more like the stereotype.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
That has also been my observation, most people are ethicals. I'd guess something like 60%.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
False.
why?
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Statistics. Empiricial evidence contradicts Expat's personal observation. Therefore Expat's belief is false.
Idiotic belief.
I would say that equal distribution may be valid on a global scale, but in a microcosm therein there can be clustering. For instance, my home town exists to support the employees of the neighboring nuclear research facility. It's a small town, about 4200 people, and the vast majority of those people are employees of AECL, the children of employees or retired employees. If you believe that certain types are naturally predisposed to certain areas of study, then you have to agree that the logical conclusion is that an isolated region built to foster one specialized and technical facility would have an uneven distribution of types. That doesn't mean that it exludes certain types entirely, but one would expect a huge influx of logicals (which seems to hold true).
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I've heard that autism is becoming more frequent because of intermarriage in engineering schools/companies, which could say something about type being somewhat related to profession+genetics.
I went to Jr & Sr high school in Oak Ridge, TN - one of the former secret cities of the Manhattan Project. Back in the 40's, the gov't shipped out the locals, shipped in a bunch of research scientists & their families, and made the whole city of 75K classified. After the war, when the gates came down, many families stayed because they'd already been there for years. Generations later, the town continues to cater to highly specialized industries, and two of the three research facilities continue to do secretive stuff.
It was an extremely strange place to be a kid. Many of my friends had parents who both had Ph.D.s, and the public high school always beat the shit out of all the other schools in the area - in academics, sports and music/ marching.
Of course, you also had the kids from hardcore redneck families, some of whom were honest-to-god inbred, already losing teeth in their teens, already had two kids before 18, etc. It was, I repeat, one fucked-up place to be a kid.
I honestly can't imagine that the type distribution comes anywhere close to even.
As an aside, after 19 or 20 pages of this debate, I would think that the whole premise of even distribution of types would be "over time, across a self-sustaining society". Rick somewhere in his blog talks about how when one trait comes to be over-represented, the dichotomous trait becomes valued by its scarcity. Whether type is preset from the genes or if it is affected by life circumstances, I would think that this means that at any given time there is a very low likelihood of an equal distribution of types, and only as a part of the swinging of the pendulum in the process of some trait or another gaining ascendancy.
It's dynamic, right?
SLI
Society works on a supply and demand basis. Whatever is needed, is got. So of course these nuclear research sites will have an influx of logicals. In ancient Sparta, there was probably a 90% population of Beta STs. All the other quadras died out through social Darwinism; the only ones who survived were those that forced themselves to adopt a certain way of being (obviously Beta STs felt right at home). In Athenian politics, Betas flourished. Gammas flourished. Deltas flourished. Alphas flourished. It was far more meritocratic, far more balanced, and this is why Athens thrives as a city today, and Sparta, the unbalanced nation, does not. What's the moral of the story? The societies that flourish are those that have a healthy mixture of the quadras, and who utilise every type to their full capacity. Don't kill the Delta NF because (s)he can't fight properly; turn them into a social worker or a councillor. Why should we eliminate the SEE because they're wild beings, when they make perfect personal trainers? Each plays his part. If the ruler is wise (be this a single individual, or a market, or whatever other entity), the supply and demand principle works to optimum effect. People's skills are utilised because society recognises that everyone - everyone - has some use to it. If it doesn't, shit befalls the people, and society doesn't work properly.
Absolutely not. How stupid are you? Don't you know anything about statistics and probability theory?
Never mind... I forgot for a minute that you'd be referring to MBTT studies. Let's not have this discussion.
And I forgot for a second that you are unable to draw the correct conclusions from empirical studies.
I am unable to draw conclusions regarding the distribution of Socionics types from MBTT studies.
Yes, that's what I thought, and that's what I said ...
Well, I seem to come into contact with more F's, so for my wee world that I function in, there's more F's! ha! ;P
I'm not interested in further discussing MBTT vs. Socionics correlations with you, so I'm going to suggest we agree to disagree and be done with it.
No. I don't accept that you disagree with the empirical facts, and I don't respect your opinion on this matter. You are simply wrong, and it is your duty to realize that.
Phaedrus, why must you be so hostile?
Because I am loyal to the objective truth. That means that there's no room for a compromise. I am "hostile" towards those who are disrespectful to the truth, to science, and to logic.
The truth will always be there, even if people don't see it. You shouldn't waste your time telling people how wrong they are.
Seek for a therapist's help because you suffer from low self esteem. Don't believe me? Just observe how you've become an attention seeker. You find it difficult to stop compulsively answering people once you think you've got their attention. And even if you disguise your discussion as a "search for the truth", it becomes rather obvious that you don't have a clue of what objectivity means because you seem to believe that just because you read this or that it is automatically true.
Behind all your comments there is a hidden intention to prove yourself that you can hold an intellectual discussion. But since you focus more on appearing that you know what you're talking about (the impression you give to others) than in what you're actually saying, you undermine your chances of actually holding a high level conversations. It's something like the negative and positive loops of the enneagram, something like this:
http://mikemex.t35.com/socionics/esteem.gif
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