Katy Perry

[Slacker]

Some Deltas can be. One of the desciptions of a potential way for IEEs to behave is as a Don Juan type - the descriptions says "if he is a Don Juan, he will not hide it" or something.

I don't know these people enough to say they are or aren't Beta - just saying that sexuality is not something to type someoen Beta by.

[silverchris9]

I really want Katy Perry to be LSI because Russel Brand is SO OBVIOUSLY EIE and beta duality makes me happy heart heart love smiley face.

The quote starfall posted does sound like beta duality. However, Krig's argument makes sense as well. My only counterargument would be to suggest that she may be "playing" alpha (teenage dream, in face, sounds quite alpha, as does california girls) as her public persona, but in interpersonal interact, behave more beta. That kind of leads me down the rabbit hole though, because then how can I distinguish between katy perry playing something and "real" katy perry when all we have to go off of is interviews and quotes?

[ashlesha]

I would think that Katy Perry is somewhat similar to Lady Gaga (who is a Beta NF, and I mean their voice is kind of similar, they both have this kind of "raw" emotional voice, which I often find it to be a characteristic of Fe types).

weird, both of their voices sound distinctly unemotional to me. in katy perry's case, i find it sort of offputting when i hear it.

i don't have an opinion on their types.

[Singu]

For those who are thinking LSI for Katy Perry... does this sound like a description of her?

LSI:

2. A sober realist. He never falls into despair or gives in to illusions; always he is equally stable, calm, and logical. He does not tend to fantasies and dislikes other people's passion for hollow projects.

4. A mix of delicacy and adventurism. He is very reclusive and secretive. He does not like to be the center of attention.

5. Stoic. He is hardy and just, does not spend time for redundant conveniences. He prefers to hide his real feelings: hunger, fatigue, pain, and fear—"an ill child will not groan, in order not to injure his mother".

Would a stoic, "sober realist" who does not tend to fantasies star in a fantasy candy land music video such as this one?



I think this is why these typings are such a mis-match.

I would also like to note that EIEs are typically not very flippant types. They are very often serious about a certain things. Beta J types seem to have this sort of sense of duty about them.

EIE:

1. To be or not to be? A serious person focused on global problems. Sees the world in dramatic, even tragic colors. Expects all kinds of trouble. Beethoven's four notes—the theme of fate —sound like the theme of his life. He takes personal problems and addresses them on a global scale. Meanwhile he often also strives to give something back to mankind.

It is not so easy to get along with him, since he is not lighthearted in his attitude towards life.

7. "Proud". He has a characteristic seemingly arrogant way of carrying himself. People may get an impression that he is acting, beefing up his own importance. He is a good leader.

I think this is why people like Bono are such a good example of this type... he seems to fit this kind of description perfectly.

weird, both of their voices sound distinctly unemotional to me. in katy perry's case, i find it sort of offputting when i hear it.

i don't have an opinion on their types.

Yeah, that is interesting. I guess this is not a very reliable method.

[Krig the Viking]

God damn. Someone needs to punch Russell Brand in the face.

I think EIE works for him. An immature and spoiled EIE, who as Perry herself said, "was used to getting everything he wanted."

If I'm right, it would make Perry his Benefactor, which is one of the better inter-quadral relationships, in my experience.

Also, I'd like to point out that there is a significant distinction between Lady Gaga's music videos, and Katy Perry's, despite the superficial similarities of outlandish costumes and sexual provocation. Gaga's videos tend to be darker and edgier, while Perry's videos are lighter and more "cute", even if they're intended to be ironic on some level. To me, it looks a lot like the difference between Beta Ni and Alpha Si.

[717495]

God damn. Someone needs to punch Russell Brand in the face.

[Sol]

ISTP

[buckland]

So yeah, I'd say I'm around 70% sure she's ILE. I could conceivably see her as some other Alpha type (SEI maybe?), but ILE fits best in my opinion.

I'd still go the other way round and think SEI > ILE.

[EyeSeeCold]

http://www.yourfunnypic.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/3031018903_b0d754d862.jpg

[Singu]

Also, I'd like to point out that there is a significant distinction between Lady Gaga's music videos, and Katy Perry's, despite the superficial similarities of outlandish costumes and sexual provocation. Gaga's videos tend to be darker and edgier, while Perry's videos are lighter and more "cute", even if they're intended to be ironic on some level. To me, it looks a lot like the difference between Beta Ni and Alpha Si.

No, nah, it's just a stereotype that Betas are all hardcore and edgy and emo and dark and grim 24/7. They can also be "cute"... (Fe, I guess). Yet, I think that some of her songs are rather very Victim:

I can't stop don't care if I lose
Baby you are the weapon I choose
These wounds are self inflicted
I'm going down in flames for you
Baby you are the weapon I choose
These wounds are self inflicted
One more thing I'm addicted to
And I cover up these scars
(We'll make it we'll make it but we break it)
And I can't stop seeing stars
(lets hope not die)
Whenever you're around

If you think that Perry is a Beta ST... I would say that Beta ST songs typically are very different from her songs.

Ok, so here's another "subjective" comparison, but I hope you get the point. This is a good example of a Beta ST song, I think:



The theme is very Beta, it's very theatric, dramatic, melodramatic and sort of over-the-top tragic. The song is rather sad (Fe), yet the song is rather calm and stable throughout the whole song. It doesn't go up and down, and it's somewhat predictable. The mood throughout the song is pretty much the same. It doesn't have the unpredictability of what I believe is Fe or Dynamic. She doesn't suddenly burst into emotions and scream her voice, or she doesn't suddenly get quiet and whisper, etc (which are very common with some Fe singers like Bono). The rationale for this, I guess, is that Statics are more internally stable, and Dynamics are more internally unstable (I would imagine that Beta STs on average are rather calm types). So it comes out in the way that they create music and songs. So, can this be brushed aside as a "personal style"... or is it a bigger trend?

[jewels]

here's a video of Russel Brand, who is quite ENFP imo. Especially what he says towards the end of the video. He also gets along great w/ Ellen, who is also an ENFP imo. Immediate use of Fi and Ne ("I like being in this chair." and then crazy possible Ne ideas -- such as what could happen if Russel were to sit on other guest's laps)



It'd make sense if Katy Perry is an ESTJ as the two would be activity partners.

And I agree about the Fe theme in the Madonna video, who most agree is ESTp.

[eunice]

For Russell Brand, I think he's probably an ENTp. His jokes and antics seem to remind me of Fe Hidden Agenda.

[munenori2]

Whatever her type is, Katy Perry is probably one of the most innately likeable people I've seen in interviews in a very long time. I haven't really seen Russell Brand in anything other than his movies but he's a pretty hilarious guy.

[bobbybeam]

small voice
cute
quirky
Me me me me
New experience with bf (humming bird heartbeat)
Big bug eyes
Random

Speaking out of her ass, especially when she’s tired (I do that…and it’s lots of fun)
Met lots of awesome people…mentioned the people
Bubbley high energy, but chilled out

she’s got bite. When she’s irritated….I do the same thing…serious flat voice at first…and then I snap and “lose social ‘play nice nice’ face”
(start at 50 secs)
when she’s flirty…her voice changes into a cute little kid voice….I can relate. Super obvious when she’s interested in someone…when the guy walked in
hahaha the guy scared katy perry and when she rejected him she couldn’t look him in the eye…and she gave a “positive” comment as he left to not be mean…I can relate
the 2 on the left are more outwardly expressive both of initial approval and immediate disapproval once the singer took it too far…whereas katy and simon are more serious and just watch

haha cara or whatever her name is was kind of irritating….katy perry was irritated…cara was Fe all the way
not embarrassed or ashamed of being gross, sexual, goofy, dorky….
I get delta…..can understand ESTj

Her hubby reminds me of ENTp
He screams alpha in the way that he dresses
He is goofy, but in an odd Ne kind of way…haha I love him
Always cracking jokes
He is goofy, random in an alpha way, don’t get a serious vibe from him at all…merry alpha
Bookiewook for a book title? Are you for real? Alpha Infantile

[Ave]

Are you serious? She's as Beta NF as they come!

At least one person agrees with me!

EDIT: actually I dont fully agree. I think shes beta irrational, INFp or ESTp.

[golden]

This and other Perry/Brand discussions leads me to the conclusion that these two are difficult to type because their entertainment personas are so highly crafted and synthetic.

The other thing is I think as a group we're trying to make them duals and, as a few people pointed out above, they probably aren't.

Take a peep at some earlier versions of them:

[twizzlestix]

Russel Brand reminds me so much of myself that I just have to say he is IEE. I think Katy Perry is LSE so that would make them activity partners. Which is the next best thing to duality, isn't it?

[Creepy-bg]

she's actually attractive and approachable looking to me in that one. when she smiles, I get creeped out and lose my wood though.

[woofwoofl]

Katy Perry's video with Kara gave me a huge impression of valued that made me a bit uneasy also >... people in stress are known to go to their Ego functions almost exclusively, so if she's in Beta (which her video explanation for Firework lead me to go for also), which I'd say she almost certainly is, then SLE and LSI are left - and I'm definitely going LSI for Katy Perry

[Birdie]

This is for sir knight who said he was an ass man.

Pause at ~45 seconds. Blonde in yellow bathing suit top and blue bathing suit bottoms wearing doc marten-esque boots near the right side of the frame. You don't even have to pause it, that scene clip is present for several seconds.


I am going to use spoiler tags until it is a working option. Or until I figure out what you use here instead.


Shall I start including porn in the posts I want to be within spoiler tags?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Katy Perry is an enigma. I feel she's too mainstream and 'society based' now for me to get a good read on her.

I think her 'real self' might be in some of her earlier work, which is less politically correct and not as 'stick up for the gays ish.' Now her music videos are extremely heartfelt and 'love the weirdos', (Firework, ET) and you can't help but feel the whole shtick is just something she's doing for money. Not something that's true to her own core values.

Her work before was more vapid, more overbearing and bitchy and it's-okay-to-be-mean - which would easily point to an INFp's conflictor. I'm glad you can see through the veil of that, even though I like Firework.

Like most mainstream artists, she has to sell out and not be true to herself because like most people in the world, she follows money and not her heart. Not that those two things can't ever collide or anything but come on now. Some people need a reality check.

This reminds me of Howard Stern, who thought it was okay to make fun of gays and say things like 'gays can change', but then he got a job on a radio show with gay men who were now His Boss and would give the jew the money that he wanted, and all of a sudden he's kissing our asses now. What is wrong with people? I don't care if he's gay or anti-gay, I just want him to be consistent. You don't even know what anybody really believes about anything anymore, because the illusion of money. *rolls eyes*

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

TIMELINE: A FEW YEARS AGO.

KATY PERRY'S FAT JEWISH ****** AGENT IS ON THE PHONE WITH HER.

"Katy daaaahling it's me again" the Jewish ****** Record Producer said in a raspy fat-man voice. From inhaling too many cocks late night at a West Hollywood fag bar. Somebody needs to tell the poor homo that the dudes there don't love you!

"Oh great" Katy sarcastically thought, but since she was a rich celebrity that was innately better than everybody else that posted on 16types message boards, she instead had to SAY this. "Oh hi Charles. How are you doing, it's such a nice lovely day out for all the California gays out isn't it?" she said all friendly and fag hagishly. Like Tori Spelling! (Aw what a sweetheart)

"Katy cut the crap I know you don't care if I live or die sweetie-pie. But we have a problem. And that problem is your CAREER. Like all Americans, I know the only thing you care about is money and your job, so you need to listen you little cunt, and you need to listen now."

That shut Katy up and she looked in the mirror at her perfect narcissistic Hollywood bod and sighed. "Go on" she said while squeezing her 2% body fat.

"You're getting a little too mean in your songs, and fat midwestern girls with no self-esteem that have shy, gentle gay friends in high school aren't going to buy your records unless you PRETEND to be nice to them."

"Aww do I HAFTA?" Katy Perry said like a spoiled 5-year-old girl while staring at herself and her $75,000 outfit.

"You do if you want their money. You do if you want to keep your job. Those same shy gentle gay boys in school are going to grow up to be FAT FAGGY RECORD PRODUCER HOLLYWOOD AGENTS THAT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY. MONEY THAT YOU YOURSELF WANT!!! EVEN SAM FUCKING LEONARD HAS MONEY SAVED UP RIGHT NOW. The fat ****** jewish hollywood producer agent dude was driving fast in LA's aggressive, dog-eat-dog traffic.

Sam Leonard. THAT loser??? "Okay fine" Katy Perry snarled. She flicked her fingers and twirled around and was dressed in a lovely evening gown and suddenly began shooting fireworks out of her chest.

She then got out of her podium in her mansion and starting singing to the lonely night: "...BABY YOU'RE A FIREWORK, COME ON LET YOUR COLORS BURST!"

Fat midwestern girls and shy gay boys with no self-esteem all rejoiced at once. With starry hearts in their eyes they said "SHE CARES. SHE REALLY CARES" and then all at once like wasps zoomed to Walmart to buy her CD.

"Suckers" Katy whispered under her breath. "Little do they know we need to keep them down and DIS-empowered so we can always be the one that saves them."

Katy twirled around and then saw none other than SAM AND DOLPHIN standing there in bad-ass superhero outfits.

"Oh shit" Katy said. "I heard you took out Taylor Swift...."

Sam nodded. "Yeppers. And now? We're gonna take out you."

DUN DUN DUN!

(I know you all love me. I'm such a lovable shy introverted ******, aren't I?)

[jessica129]

Russel Brand IEE? That would've never crossed my mind. I don't think he seems Delta at all.....at all. I don't think I'd last more than a couple minutes around someone of his personality type. Just watching him exhausts me.

[Slacker]

I don't think he's IEE. Maybe ILE? Not sure.

[Creepy-Snaps]

BUMP!

I've been considering Katy Perry's type, now that I self-type as IEE, wondering if she's my SLI dual.

She seems a bit too friendly to come across as SLI, and too expressive to be LSI. IMO, she seems Si-valuing. I agree with Krig's guess of ILE, ENTp, for Katy.

In terms of female ILE comparisons, she does seem similar to Olivia Wilde, or Ellen Page. Very friendly, laid-back, (Infantile) but with an organized style of explaining things, Ti.

I can see how people could easily mistake her for a sensor... her music videos are colorful, she often features streaks in her hair, and her outfits are flashy and provocative. However, I believe this is her stylists' 'mainstreaming' her as a pop icon. For years, she stuck to her Christian values, before entering the pop world, and dressed incredibly conservatively, as seems to be her true nature. It's only when she let others control her public image, that her outfits began to explode with aesthetic variety. Normally she pays little attention to that, seems intuitive.

I say ILE>LII>SLI>LSI.

[Leader]

Wow...dunno how anybody could possibly see LSE... She has to be EIE, and Russell brand is too annoying... Definitely ENXX

[sarinana]

Cannot stand her. Russel Brand is probably beta. Katy Perry is certainly not and what you get is a divorce.

[sarinana]

I would also like to note that EIEs are typically not very flippant types. They are very often serious about a certain things. Beta J types seem to have this sort of sense of duty about them.
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I agree. I think that delta irrationals a lot of times can seem much more playful and emotional than beta rationals. I am ENFj myself and I was seeing this ENFp boy once who just seemed overly childish in my eyes. Also he was very romantic but not how I like it.

[Gilly]

Sold out SEE perhaps? I really don't know...extrovert, at least, and either E7 or E3.

[shakealittle]

I feel like I can relate to her, LSI it is. People probably mistake her for an extrovert as LSIs can be pretty outgoing when they are meeting new people and are sort of the subject of attention/admiration (err which is a nice way of saying they realise they're on top of the hierarchy).....like in interviews and stuff!

I would've guessed Russell to be her dual.

[Radio]

i'm fairly certain Russell Brand is an Ne-ENTp, but that doesn't mean Katy Perry can't be ISTj (which i think she very likely is).

[silke]

ISTj-Se so/sp

Her marriage to Russel Brand (likely ILE) ended in a little over a year with him filing for a divorce. After she has dated John Mayer, who looks somewhat similar to Johnny Depp and might be ESI, and they broke it off a few months ago.

[Amber]

She ain't LSI wtf

[darya]

EIE?

[The Martrix]

EIE?

I've seen both ISTj and ENFj given as typings for her. She seems to be a case, either way, of someone acting through their Super-Id.

[darya]

I've seen both ISTj and ENFj given as typings for her. She seems to be a case, either way, of someone acting through their Super-Id.

She has been bugging me for a long time. When I look at her music career and public rainbow unicorn persona she makes me want to punch her in a face, but then when I hear her talk I really like her Besides she dates a lot of cool dudes, so in my mind if Russell Brand married this chick, she can't be as stupid as she looks like when she sings about flying lollipops, you know what I'm sayin There's something relatable in her and she seems Beta, not Delta. So my only logical explanation is EIE (who came up with LSI?)

[The Martrix]

She has been bugging me for a long time. When I look at her music career and public rainbow unicorn persona she makes me want to punch her in a face, but then when I hear her talk I really like her Besides she dates a lot of cool dudes, so in my mind if Russell Brand married this chick, she can't be as stupid as she looks like when she sings about flying lollipops, you know what I'm sayin There's something relatable in her and she seems Beta, not Delta. So my only logical explanation is EIE (who came up with LSI?)

Then again, blue wigs and flying lollipops ... just seems so... alpha, to me.

[darya]

Then again, blue wigs and flying lollipops ... just seems so... alpha, to me.

Haha, you know I was thinking the same thing actually, her pop persona doesn't read Beta at all (someone like Rihanna on the other hand...). But the guys she chooses....Idk, she's a big mistery to me

Edit: maybe she's IEE...they can be extremely infantile and into fantasy in my experience with dating them

[aisa]

if her videos aren't forced upon her, then she is Ne-personified, although doesn't act "crazy" all the time behind the scenes. I'd go with IEE-Ne or ILE-Ne, none of the interviews of her I've seen so far contradict this. I know a girl almost exactly like her in terms of looks and "attitude" - as in outside "persona" and the "behind the scenes" calmer version. (This girl is married to SLI. She used to be engaged to IEI at some point (who went "hot and cold" on her shortly before the wedding...) I had her as IEE-Ne, but I guess I can't cross out ILE-Ne either, though still feel IEE-Ne fits better. I feel the same about Katy Perry.)
(oh and the arguments from a few pages back, that PDA points to "not Delta" - lmao, this is a vast oversimplification, there are four different types in Delta to begin with...)

[lemontrees]

I think she's definitely EIE.



She's not very random or tangential; she's very emotional but has a high degree of emotional control, and she seems Se-seeking in her life philosophy ("you just have to work extremely hard to make anything happen") also in that part when she's having a breakdown but just pushes through and goes on stage- particularly way in which she does it seems more beta...

not sure about the blue unicorns