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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel von Himmel View Post
    I will even make one more claim, and that is that Augusta did not truly invent socionics. She borrowed nearly all the information from other sources, and that even includes the intertype relationship descriptions. All she did was compile it together and package it. Years later it gets to the United States and a bunch of ignorant americans who learn socionics from badly translated and possibly distorted information think it has nothing to do with cosmology, the zodiac, alchemical laws, mystic groups such as the roscruxians and sufis, even when the facts face them square in the face that socionics was derived from all of those things you just sit back and deny. You are just like gullible little children who close their eyes and wish an imaginary monster to go away, except the monster is real. That is the truth of the matter.
    That's exactly how most ILEs make their discoveries. Their intelligence manifests in the rearrangement of existing things and systems. That doesn't mean that the new product has anything to do with the old. And it certainly doesn't reduce the value of the new product.

    That said, your correlations between socionics and alchemy are overly elaborate or just wrong, and no amount of rearrangement on Augusta's part could have produced them. It's hecka more likely she just straight-up borrowed Jung's typology and applied it to the empirical problem she was studying - which you'd know if you read the translated history of socionics.

    You're trying way too hard and it shows.

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    That said, your correlations between socionics and alchemy are overly elaborate or just wrong, and no amount of rearrangement on Augusta's part could have produced them.
    Well, first off, all you have ever done is try to show how socionics and alchemy is different. Every time I bring yup THE FACT, yes, I said THE FACT that socionics IS TECHNICALLY THE ZODIAC you just up and ignore all the evidence presented and then try to state that there is no evidence whatsoever. Well, I am sick and tired of being up and ignored when I show evidence that is so undeniably blatent, it frustrates me that you up and try to state that there is no justification. You say that I try hard, but maybe I am just frustrated with dealing with brickwalls with all mouthes and no ears. If you want to state that there is no connection, that is your opinion, but it is a fact that socionics is technically the zodiac. And that is not going to change no matter how often you ignore the pertenant data that proves this.

    It's hecka more likely she just straight-up borrowed Jung's typology and applied it to the empirical problem she was studying.
    See, this is the thing that just ups and urks me about people here. Yes, Augusta did borrow from Jung. Jungs typology was rather close to being almost pure alchemy, and even Jung himself talks about alchemy and uses many of the associated alchemical terms. If Augusta straight up borrowed from Jung, then she basically borrowed from alchemy. By alchemy that includes the zodiac and the various laws of nature derived from them.

    I did read the history of socionics. Augusta also studied heavily into Plato and the Platos republic.

    You're trying way too hard and it shows.
    It is not that I am trying hard, it is that I want people to admit that they are denying the obvious and they just flat out are not doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel von Himmel View Post
    Well, first off, all you have ever done is try to show how socionics and alchemy is different. Every time I bring yup THE FACT, yes, I said THE FACT that socionics IS TECHNICALLY THE ZODIAC you just up and ignore all the evidence presented and then try to state that there is no evidence whatsoever. Well, I am sick and tired of being up and ignored when I show evidence that is so undeniably blatent, it frustrates me that you up and try to state that there is no justification. You say that I try hard, but maybe I am just frustrated with dealing with brickwalls with all mouthes and no ears. If you want to state that there is no connection, that is your opinion, but it is a fact that socionics is technically the zodiac. And that is not going to change no matter how often you ignore the pertenant data that proves this.
    The bolded bit is where you lost me.

    See, this is the thing that just ups and urks me about people here. Yes, Augusta did borrow from Jung. Jungs typology was rather close to being almost pure alchemy, and even Jung himself talks about alchemy and uses many of the associated alchemical terms. If Augusta straight up borrowed from Jung, then she basically borrowed from alchemy. By alchemy that includes the zodiac and the various laws of nature derived from them.
    Jung's typology wasn't straight-up borrowed from his other work on alchemy, it was based on the sum of his observations as a clinician. As I recall, his work on Alchemy was an extension of his work on the collective unconscious, which was more or less independent of his typology.

    Even so, Augusta only straight-up borrowed the relevant bits and pieces of his typology to explain the intertype relations she observed between conflictors and duals. None of the relevant bits had anything to do with Alchemy.

    I did read the history of socionics. Augusta also studied heavily into Plato and the Platos republic.
    The notions stemming from Plato's republic are integrated into socionics quadras, but "quadra values" as they're used by Gulenko and most members of this community aren't exactly a non-controversial theory within socionics. Also, why are you bringing up Plato in the context of a discussion on Alchemy?

    It is not that I am trying hard, it is that I want people to admit that they are denying the obvious and they just flat out are not doing it.
    It's not so obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    The bolded bit is where you lost me.
    The part you bolded is the exact reason why I keep claiming that you do not pay any attention to the evidence presented that proves it is a fact, evidence I have presented on numerous occasions and you just totally ignore, then go on with the "how socionics is different than alchemy" babble that has nothing to do with the evidence presented. You have done it enough times to consider it a consistent pattern with your bahvior in terms of what is presented.

    Jung's typology wasn't straight-up borrowed from his other work on alchemy, it was based on the sum of his observations as a clinician. As I recall, his work on Alchemy was an extension of his work on the collective unconscious, which was more or less independent of his typology.
    Yeah, about the collective consciousness. Carl Jung took that from mixing alchemy and cosmological beliefs about the nature of conscious together, and the collective consciousness is connected to Jungs typology. He believed in his own psyche model that the various elements exactly opposite the lead functions tipped the deepest into the unconscious realms. More or less the collective unconscious was Jungs rationalization of this on a more global scale.


    Even so, Augusta only straight-up borrowed the relevant bits and pieces of his typology to explain the intertype relations she observed between conflictors and duals. None of the relevant bits had anything to do with Alchemy.
    Yeah, she takes a bite from Jung, she takes a bite from elsewhere. You say that none of the relevant bits had anything to do with alchemy. I think that should be changed to "none of the relevant bits had anything OPENLY to do with alchemy" ... that makes better sense.

    The notions stemming from Plato's republic are integrated into socionics quadras, but "quadra values" as they're used by Gulenko and most members of this community aren't exactly a non-controversial theory within socionics. Also, why are you bringing up Plato in the context of a discussion on Alchemy?
    Platoes republic had a couple of cities in it, these cities represented grouops of people. However, when used within the realm of metaphysics they also represented forms of the the psyche. Tynocracy, Oligarcy, Democracy, Tyrannicy.

    Just for kicks I am copying/pasting a thread I posted 3 years ago concerning this:

    Believe it or not the "socionic model of the psyche" was not something origionally derived by Augustinavichiute. She actually borrowed the idea from a social model devised by Plato 1000s of years ago, combined them with Jung's collective unconscious, functions, and system of typology , and gave them Freudian style names [Ego, Id, Super-Id, Super-Ego].

    Plato had done some classifications of the behaviours of people and came up with four classes by which he called "types of souls" (The word 'psyche' actually came from the greek word psuche, which means soul). They are Tyrranical, Tynocratic (or sometimes referred to as Theocratic), Oligarchic, and Democratic. Each one of these types represented a diffrent way that a person would respond and react to society, as follows:

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    Tyrranical: People who are tyrranical are prone to falling into old heroic stereotypes, knowing they are able to get what they want and need with little effort. Represents confidence as a positive, arrogance as a negitive. Augustinavichiute called the Tyrranical type the "EGO."

    Tynocratic: People who have a need for approval and appeal to authority; lives in a rhelm of superiourity and inferiourity complexes. Augustinavichiute called the Tynocratic type the "Super-EGO."

    Oligarchic: People who desire with little to no thought to the consequences of their own actions, greedy, demanding, and disrespectful. Augustinavichiute called the Oligarchic type the "Id."

    Democratic: Not to be confused with modern definitions, people who are of this type are wishy-washy ... first knowing what they want, then changing their minds. One day they might want riches, they next day would condemn the wealthy. Another day friendly, unfriendly the next. These types are dynamic and unpredictable, following whatever is suggested from their surroundings and having no solid foundation whatsoever. Augustinavichiute called the Democratic type the "Super-Id."

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    So, I suppose if you want to believe that anything is ever new and origional, think again! All concepts come from somewhere, and in this case the socionic model is actual a remix of old Platonian thought and theory mixed with some modern concepts derived from Jung and Freud.
    Link: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...el-psyche.html

    Also, why are you bringing up Plato in the context of a discussion on Alchemy?
    Later alchemical philosophy was derived from plato and his solids, which came from the zodiac and the elements.
    http://www.mathpages.com/HOME/kmath096.htm



    It's not so obvious.
    It would be obviously if you would stop covering your eyes like you are blind every time I show the proofs to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Jung's typology wasn't straight-up borrowed from his other work on alchemy, it was based on the sum of his observations as a clinician. As I recall, his work on Alchemy was an extension of his work on the collective unconscious, which was more or less independent of his typology.
    Correct. He based his typology on observations of his 20 years experience, as well as books of other typologists. (source: Psychological types CG Jung) Angel Himmel is twisting facts. I don't like that.

    There's no link with alchemy in that book. He probably uses the word 'collective counscious' once. Which was not copied by Augusta.

    It's easyer to make a case that Socionics is totally free from Alchemy.

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    Total Models Cataloged: 205
    Venus in Pisces:11.2%
    Venus in Libra 9.75%
    Venus in Taurus 11.75
    Venus chance of of being in a sign: 8.333%

    Chances of Venus being in a sign, conjunct it's lord(not any of the other signs listed above): 6.24975
    Percent of occurrences of Venus being conjunct it's own lord: 17.56%

    There is a 6.24% chance of an exchange taking place.
    Exchanges took place 13.6% of the time


    About a 43.719% chance of special occurrences taking place.
    Special circumstances happened over 85% of the time.
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    All this evidence was calculated without the exact birth time, and as a consequence without the lagna (rising point on the horizon at birth), and without the aid of higher divisional charts. With that information I'm sure the statistics would of been even higher.

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    I've looked at the first three of these, and they all appear to be wrong. What are the odds of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    I've looked at the first three of these, and they all appear to be wrong. What are the odds of that?
    Hmm, $10 says that's because you're using western astrological charts, whereas Hitta and Rat use eastern astrological charts.

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    Selita Ebanks- Born February 15, 1983( Time of Birth Unknown)
    Planetary Data : Sun- Aquarius 2 Degrees 28' 12.97''
    Moon- Aquarius 28 Degrees 23'42.48''
    Mars- Aquarius 28 Degrees 54'13.14''
    Mercury- Capricorn 7 Degrees 33'09.64
    Jupiter - Scorpio 14 Degrees 50' 34.82
    Venus- Aquarius 27 Degrees 03'02.72''
    Saturn- Libra 10 Degrees 48'46.93
    Rahu- Gemini 7 Degrees 50'17.05
    Ketu- Sagittarius 7 Degrees 50'17.05''



    Saturn is in Libra(sign of Venus). Venus is in Aquarius(Sign of Saturn). This is considered an exchange; which is considered a very good thing under most considers(almost as if the planet is in it's own sign). Also do well to notice all of the other planets in Aquarius as well.




    Mini Andén

    Sun - AmK 22 Ta 38' 41.06" Rohi 4 Ta Cn
    Moon - PK 9 Ge 27' 17.90" Ardr 1 Ge Sg
    Mars - GK 2 Le 45' 48.89" Magh 1 Le Ar
    Mercury - PiK 13 Ta 56' 42.03" Rohi 2 Ta Ta
    Jupiter - MK 16 Ge 54' 32.23" Ardr 4 Ge Pi
    Venus - AK 25 Ge 50' 44.61" Puna 2 Ge Ta
    Saturn - DK 1 Le 39' 27.69" Magh 1 Le Ar
    Rahu - BK 8 Vi 40' 07.03" UPha 4 Vi Pi
    Ketu 8 Pi 40' 07.03" UBha 2 Pi Vi


    Venus in Gemini(Sign of Mercury); Mercury in Taurus(Sign of Venus). This is an exchange. Do well to notice all the other planets in the constellation of Gemini/



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    Sun - BK 26 Vi 04' 30.17" Chit 1 Vi Le
    Moon - AK 27 Le 08' 40.80" UPha 1 Le Sg
    Mars - AmK 26 Vi 28' 30.67" Chit 1 Vi Le
    Mercury - PK 17 Li 06' 16.80" Swat 4 Li Pi
    Jupiter (R) - GK 15 Aq 13' 47.68" Sata 3 Aq Aq
    Venus - PiK 19 Vi 51' 50.03" Hast 3 Vi Ge
    Saturn - MK 25 Ge 05' 17.84" Puna 2 Ge Ta
    Rahu - DK 19 Sc 18' 25.21" Jye 1 Sc Sg
    Ketu 19 Ta 18' 25.21" Rohi 3 Ta Ge

    Venus in Virgo(sign of Mercury), Mercury in Libra(Sign of Venus). This constitutes an exchange. Also note Sun and Mars are in the sign of Virgo with Venus.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    I've looked at the first three of these, and they all appear to be wrong. What are the odds of that?
    They aren't wrong. You are looking at the data wrong.
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    I believe in astrology. The moon signs seem more indicative of personality than sun signs. I'm Taurus sun, Gemini rising, and Libra moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I believe in astrology. The moon signs seem more indicative of personality than sun signs. I'm Taurus sun, Gemini rising, and Libra moon.
    Lev.19:26 Neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

    Dt.18:10-12 There shall not be found among you any ... that useth divination, or an observer of times.... For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD.

    Is.47:13-14 Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

    Jer.10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I believe in astrology. The moon signs seem more indicative of personality than sun signs. I'm Taurus sun, Gemini rising, and Libra moon.
    is that using a tropical or sidereal zodiac
    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    I've looked at the first three of these, and they all appear to be wrong. What are the odds of that?
    Lol, so that's the best you can do? Take your inexperience and haphazardly calculate the data, and deny the statistics?

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    P.S. Yes I just called your theory shit you uncultured swine

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    Ive read 100s of charts at this point and they've all been dead on, so I'm just sitting here and laughing at you because you're a fucking moron. Its hilarious watching you pretend to reject astrology and yet know nothing about it. You cannot actually reject something you know nothing about. That doesn't qualify as a valid rejection of anything.

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    i submit to the evidence thread (for review)...

    http://www.crawfordperspectives.com/

    IT'S OFFICIAL! CP is ranked #1 Stock Market Timer for the period October 1 2007 through October 31, 2009!
    by Hulbert Financial digest!

    SEE CNBC CLIP from DEC 26, 2008 naming CP as the #1 Stock Market Timer 2008

    Crawford Perspectives #1 GOLD TIMER
    According to TIMER DIGEST = Inteview at Streetiq

    Crawford predicted US at WAR Sept. 7-8, 2001 and Stock Market to Crash by October, 2001 in September 4, 2001 Crawford Perspectives! (page 4)
    Sept 17-21 '01 was worst %down week since 1940!

    October 08 CP Letter - Predicted the exact date of the 2008 Crash, Oct 10

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    You know what the paradox of most pseudo scientists on the forum, they sit back and they criticize something they know nothing about and they do it all in the name of science. But, I have to ask myself, what is the point of science if you dismiss something before examination. The truth is that the majority of you don't have a scientific perspective, you all have a pseudo scientific perspective that you use just so that you may boost your ego in some way. You are afraid of this shit because it may rock your tiny little world; afraid of believing in something you can't understand. What is the point of science if you presume to know all the answers; if you can't realize the limitations of the mind? All you guys do is a bunch of dick measuring.
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    Explain what this shitheap of mumbo jumbo is supposed to signify before proclaiming it a scientific masterpiece.

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    Your a libra, arentcha darling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Ive read 100s of charts at this point and they've all been dead on, so I'm just sitting here and laughing at you because you're a fucking moron. Its hilarious watching you pretend to reject astrology and yet know nothing about it. You cannot actually reject something you know nothing about. That doesn't qualify as a valid rejection of anything.
     


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    Venus is considered to have lordship over Libra and Taurus. It is considered empowered in those signs. It is exalted in Pisces which is considered its strongest extroverted point.

    There were exchanges that took place. Mars owns Aries and Scorpio. Sun owns Leo. Moon owns Cancer. Jupiter owns Pisces and Sagittarius. Mercury owns Virgo and Gemini. This means; if Jupiter was is Taurus, and Venus was in Sagittarius; this is considered an exchange signs, meaning that they work in a symbiotic relationship.

    Other situations were when Venus is conjunct one of the other planets while the other planet was in its own sign. For example, Jessica Alba has Mars in Aries with Venus. This gives her a rather aggressive, vibrant look. Scarlett Johannson has Venus in Sagittarius with Jupiter. This gives her a fleshy, plump look. Angie Everhart has Moon in Cancer with Venus which gives her a motherly nurturing Vibe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
     









     














     



    Your a libra, arentcha darling?
    Why does it matter to you so much that I'm wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Explain what this shitheap of mumbo jumbo is supposed to signify before proclaiming it a scientific masterpiece.
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    I took the entire model list from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Secret_models that had birthdays listed in their profile and compiled the information from that.
    Venus signifies the harmony and beauty the a person projects. How well a person looks, and the persons artistic sensitivities are usually related to the planet of Venus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Why does it matter to you so much that I'm wrong?
    It doesn't really I'm just being annoying

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    I'm a rat in Chinese astrology.

    The rat has a super-awesome brain and wins the race.

    The most well-known of the Chinese zodiac legends states that Buddha invited the animals to participate in a race. The prize was a coveted position on the Chinese Zodiac calendar. The first 12 animals to cross the river would appear on the Chinese Zodiac calendar in the order in which they completed the race.

    The first animal to make it across the finish line according to Chinese Zodiac legends and mythology was the rat. It seems unlikely that such a small animal could win such a strenuous race, especially when one considers all the contenders.

    Chinese Zodiac legends and mythology explains that the rat used his brain rather than his brawn. It hitched a ride on what it perceived was the mightiest swimmer. Just before the buffalo reached the shore, the rat jumped off the buffalo’s back and crossed the finish line before the buffalo, putting the rat in first place.

    The buffalo came in second and as promised in the legends and mythology, was the second animal listed on the Chinese Zodiac. The tiger, also being strong, came in third, followed by the rabbit that jumped his way across and was helped during the last stretch by the dragon. A snake hid in the hoof of the horse which is how it managed to make it across the river. At the last minute the snake jumped out and scared the horse into seventh place.

    The sheep, monkey and rooster helped one another across and earned their spots on the calendar as well. The dog made it too, but decided a bath was more important than the position which is why it came in eleventh. Finally, the pig appeared and is listed last. According to Chinese Zodiac legends and mythology, the pig feasted and rested half-way through the race, but made it across guaranteeing its position.
    A small gathering
    The history of the Chinese Zodiac weaves another intriguing tale. This one tells of an invitation to a grand feast. All the animals were invited to join Buddha at either a birthday celebration, a New Year celebration, or a celebration for his departure from this world. Only 12 animals showed up at the festivities and that’s how they ended up being featured on the Chinese Zodiac calendar. Another of the legends of the Chinese Zodiac states that instead of Buddha, it was the Jade Emperor who invited the animals.

    Regardless of the specific version of Chinese Zodiac history to which you subscribe, the Chinese Zodiac has amazed and entertained people around the world for thousands of years.
    The Great Race
    Once upon a time, the Jade Emperor thought it'd be better to assign an animal to each year so people could more easily remember the Zodiac cycle. So he decided to hold a meeting with all the animals and he would choose 12 of them to be the Zodiac animals. At that time, Cat and Rat were close friends. They were very excited about the meeting and decided to go early. However, Cat was a sleepyhead. He hardly ever woke up before noon. On the night before the meeting, he asked Rat to wake him early the next morning. When morning came, Rat got up early and quietly left for the meeting alone. When Cat finally woke up in afternoon, he knew it was too late. Feeling betrayed, he vowed that henceforth Rat would be his enemy. That is probably the main reason Cats are always chasing after Rats.
    HAHA-HAHA-HA

    Does astrology also have cool stories that make me look awesome? If so, I'll fund your research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Explain what this shitheap of mumbo jumbo is supposed to signify before proclaiming it a scientific masterpiece.
    What are you asking for? A more in depth & explained statistical analysis? Or more meaning given to the data? The statistical correlation speaks for itself. If you want more meaning then you can do the work and learn the system of vedic astrology. Battling against the donkeys on this board and converting them to vedic astrology is not my burden, or Hittas. The data in this thread is presented as is, and for what it shows - a significant statistical correlation between the positions of venus and other planets for a group of supermodels. You can explain it however you like - I really don't care. To me this is only a reference for discriminating encounters with the self idolizing clones who are beginning to populate this board.

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    I just want to know what the second post means. All this stuff about Venus in signs and whatnot.

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    tbh I'm actually interested as well, all my haphazard "criticism" was in jest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hittasshadow View Post
    What are you asking for? A more in depth & explained statistical analysis? Or more meaning given to the data? The statistical correlation speaks for itself. If you want more meaning then you can do the work and learn the system of vedic astrology. Battling against the donkeys on this board and converting them to vedic astrology is not my burden, or Hittas. The data in this thread is presented as is, and for what it shows - a significant statistical correlation between the positions of venus and other planets for a group of supermodels. You can explain it however you like - I really don't care. To me this is only a reference for discriminating encounters with the self idolizing clones who are beginning to populate this board.
    USA JKB1 2003AD
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    US=(*)=ARMY ID: *EXPLORER *USA *VIP (*NOTICE "3" STARS!*)=(*USED TO AUTHORIZE "EVERY" (*-*)WORLD WAR(*156 TOTAL; *IN (~*~)RECORDED *HISTORY*)<<--=||!*)
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    *=* TO "+*^>'ME'<^*+" **IT IS ONLY ME SITTING TYPING WHATEVER I THINK OF WHILE I THINK & REMEMBER THE TERRIBLE EVENTS; *BUT ALWAYS MAKING IT SEEM SOMEHOW LIKE A ~UNUSUAL 'TWIST OF FATE'~(*WHICH THE LAW(+) COULDN'T STOP!*).

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    *I ALWAYS TRY TO SHOW A LIGHT SIDE WITHOUT EVER COMPLETELY EXPLAINING HOW TERRIBLE *-MASS MURDER-* IS! (*EXPLAINING HOW IT LOOKS WHEN SOMEONE IS BEATEN INTO PIECES COULD CAUSE SUICIDE *SO I SKIP MOST OF THE EXPLANATIONS! (*I THINK IT IS UN-NECESSARY TO COMPLETELY DETAIL A CRIME *WHEN THE *-WARCRIME-* (-1-)*EACH HAS ABOUT 10,000+ (>*<)POLICE REPORTS FOR *EACH* ONE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Venus(Victoria's Secret Index Model Index on Wiki with a about 5 celebs thrown in randomly)

    Total Models Cataloged: 205
    Venus in Pisces:11.2%
    Venus in Libra 9.75%
    Venus in Taurus 11.75
    Venus chance of of being in a sign: 8.333%

    Chances of Venus being in a sign, conjunct it's lord(not any of the other signs listed above): 6.24975
    Percent of occurrences of Venus being conjunct it's own lord: 17.56%

    There is a 6.24% chance of an exchange taking place.
    Exchanges took place 13.6% of the time


    About a 43.719% chance of special occurrences taking place.
    Special circumstances happened over 85% of the time.
    ^all you need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    You know what the paradox of most pseudo scientists on the forum, they sit back and they criticize something they know nothing about and they do it all in the name of science. But, I have to ask myself, what is the point of science if you dismiss something before examination. The truth is that the majority of you don't have a scientific perspective, you all have a pseudo scientific perspective that you use just so that you may boost your ego in some way. You are afraid of this shit because it may rock your tiny little world; afraid of believing in something you can't understand. What is the point of science if you presume to know all the answers; if you can't realize the limitations of the mind? All you guys do is a bunch of dick measuring.
    The majority of us do not reject astrology because we "can't understand it." Most people do not understand relativity theory, yet we accept it's implications as valid. Some would argue humans "cannot" fully wrap their minds around quantum mechanical theory, but again, we accept it's implications as valid. Few embrace astrology because implicitly most assume astrology would be more widely accepted as valid if it generated accurate predictions.

    I can assure you, astrology HAS been researched and investigated by the academic establishment over the years. Academic interest in astrology has waned because what studies have been performed over the years invariably fail to find evidence for the predictive potential of astrology. I will grant you that astrology is practiced more as an art form than as a hard science, and so hard scientific research, with it's tendency to simplify and reduce, may not be the best standard by which to evaluate it. All the same, tons of ideas fall into that category, and you probably reject out of hand the majority of them (do you place a lot of faith in Ouja boards?) Why make an exception for astrology?

    To my thinking, lack of widespread adoption by financial traders is pretty powerful evidence against the utility of astrology for predicting worldly events. Financial traders have always been known to adopt those practices that work, irrespective how convoluted or nonsensical those strategies seem on paper or what the academic establishment thinks of them. At the end of the day, successful traders remain in the game while unsuccessful traders move out of the profession rather quickly (if not by choice then by bankruptcy). The law of the land on the trading floor is survival of the fittest. There is room in the profession only for what works best. Astrological theories have bounced around among professional traders for at least the last 9 decades, and astrological indicators are no more popular today than they were in the 1920's (arguably less so in fact). This has to tell you something.

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    Astrology studies in the west default to follow the tropical zodiac. As a consequence most western astrology studies won't hold up to criticism by eastern astrologers. Eastern astrology is actually just getting popular in the west with the advent of computers and the internet to make charting so much easier. CHarting by hand takes days. Getting a personal chart drawn up by hand will cost you about 300 dollars. The Mars effect has been documented and verified, but it's also been hastily dismissed by 'scientists' debunking the experiments; debunking which basically amounted to clouding the issue and then willfully ignoring it from there. In the west, as far as I've seen, the energy of the scientific community at large points towards dismissing the claims more than exploring them and attempting to further substantiate them. Eastern astrology has been thoroughly studied in India and is accepted as a mainstream part of the culture as a science. As for predicting stocks.. the statistics tools traders use for that will be far more accurate than astrology ever will be.
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    I like Astrology related discussions ,I believe in astrology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paddy312 View Post
    I am stupid and I don't know what am I doing here
    Well then, good luck.

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    To my thinking, lack of widespread adoption by financial traders is pretty powerful evidence against the utility of astrology for predicting worldly events. Financial traders have always been known to adopt those practices that work, irrespective how convoluted or nonsensical those strategies seem on paper or what the academic establishment thinks of them. At the end of the day, successful traders remain in the game while unsuccessful traders move out of the profession rather quickly (if not by choice then by bankruptcy). The law of the land on the trading floor is survival of the fittest. There is room in the profession only for what works best. Astrological theories have bounced around among professional traders for at least the last 9 decades, and astrological indicators are no more popular today than they were in the 1920's (arguably less so in fact). This has to tell you something.
    i just posted about a market timer that wins awards by using astrology to predict trends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    i just posted about a market timer that wins awards by using astrology to predict trends.
    How do I know that's not a bunch of hype? I've learned that these self proclaimed market "guru" sorts regularly cross promote one another and misrepresent their own track record. I have three questions for you.

    1) If Archer Crawford is as good as he claims to be, why is he such a nobody?

    2) If Archer Crawford is as good as he claims to be, why is he trying to make money selling a newsletter? He could make SO much more money managing a hedge fund.

    3) If astrology is as powerful as Archer Crawford says it is, why aren't there more guys doing what he's doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    i just posted about a market timer that wins awards by using astrology to predict trends.
    How do I know that's not a bunch of hype? I've learned that these self proclaimed market "guru" sorts regularly cross promote one another and misrepresent their own track record. I have three questions for you.

    1) If Archer Crawford is as good as he claims to be, why is he such a nobody?

    2) If Archer Crawford is as good as he claims to be, why is trying to make money selling a newsletter? He could make SO much more money managing a hedge fund.

    3) If astrology is as good as is it's cracked up to be by guys like Archer Crawford, why aren't there more guys doing what he's doing?

    Labcoat, do you subscribe to his newsletter? I certainly would if I believed the hype.
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