Yeah, I'm a trendy bastard.
Let's keep an ongoing poll.
ILE
LII
ESE
SEI
SLE
LSI
EIE
IEI
LIE
ILI
ESI
SEE
LSE
SLI
IEE
EII
Yeah, I'm a trendy bastard.
Let's keep an ongoing poll.
Did I start a fad?
I think SLE mostly makes sense, but I can't really rule out SEE, LIE, or EIE completely.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Based more on gut feeling than anything else, I could see ESI.
ILI (Indescribable Lovemaking Inc.)
5w4 so/sx
"IP temperament! Because today's concerns are tomorrow's indifferences!"
Lord Fnorgle's Domain - A slowly growing collection of music, poetry and literature.
Stickam music performances
anyone who thinks he's Se-valuing obviously subscribes to the bullshit stereotypes about Se.
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I've now met Ezra - what, 5 or 6 times? But not in the foreseeable future as I am moving away from the Manchester area.
I've been flip-flopping between SLE and SEE. Right now I think SLE makes more sense. His reaction to receiving lots of Te is more like SLE than SEE.
But this is not "final"
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
You gotta describe what your day was like and your perceptions to things!
You know something; I've never actually heard you describe Se. Ever. You say things like "they just have this feel..." or "they have a sort of intensity..." or "they're not aggressive... they just watch". Give a proper, functional description of Se, like the one in the wiki, or in socioscope, Filatova, Strati, Lytov or socioniko. Alternatively, list concepts of Se as Rick has done. You realise no one listens to you when you say "x is not the case". People automatically associate that with Phaedrus. And, these days, who the fuck is Phaedrus?
Probably more.
Nick is incapable of qualifying his thoughts or observations in a coherent manner. Let him alone.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Bad Ti.
How about this for a suggestion: Nick is SEE. Ti PoLR, as you've described, and talks about Se so confidently because he is Se leading. Alternatively, he is IEI, with a horrific Te PoLR (inability to see the facts, unlike glam or Starfall, who do see the facts to some extent) and poor, valued Ti.
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http://www.iso64.net/Phaedrus/?p=4
Finally (and most important for our purpose here) Phædrus was the anti-hero of Robert Pirsig’s Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. He was, as Pirsig says, “one person, no longer here, who had something to say, and who said it, but whom no one believed or really understood. Forgotten.”
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/2528782/Who-is-Phaedrus
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Yeah, that's a point, Phaedrus. Why aren't you called Phædrus?
He's Ni-INFp. He understands ideas in an Ni context, the most abstract function, then tries to understand and communicates them using Ti. So I would imagine that explaining to someone the inner structure and logical relationships within an abstract, internal concept of an already abstract and complicated theory would be a bit difficult.
Jesus Christ, give him a break. If you try to understand him, eventually he'll make sense to you.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Ahahahaha. Whatever he's trying to communicate, he's wrong. He can argue, shout or scream all he wants; I am Se ego.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
All I can say is that if people want others to understand them better, they're going to have to explain things that actually happened in the physical, concrete reality and then their reactions/perceptions to those events and what it meant to them. Anything else and you are just talking out of your ass and nobody can relate to you as a human being.
Maybe you feel some details are too personal to share and that you are just here to exchange ideas, but I don't think your ideas can be validated unless you use specific details. It's the rule in creative writing, and it's the rule in life.
We can only get the picture as well as you yourself paint that picture.
I think he is Beta NF personally, although I guess SEI-Fe is not out of the question.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
It's very hard for me to not mercilessly attack something (in any way I see fit) that is different from my own viewpoint. I will take that on board, however.
Let me explain, just for you, what is going down in my life at the moment.
I am just not thinking about the wider issues in my life. When they come to me; when I attempt to break them down and analyse them, I get immediately depressive and feel an impending sense of doom concerning the claustrophobia of life. I suddenly thing "there is no point to life - there is no 'wider idea' or 'bigger issue'; it's just me and the world". This pains me, immensely, thinking that there are no horizons to venture across. I live a life of force and focus on worldly affairs, so when abstractions come along, I am completely demoralised because I simply cannot handle them at all. Don't get me wrong; I absolutely love thinking about global issues and what I'll do for a career and where I'll go in life. What I can't take is the idea that there is something that's missing from my life; that my life is not being lived it it's full potential. Having to deal with these sentiments kills me.
Do you know what I fucking hate? Kids who talk or walk into the cinema mid-way through a film. The first lot was in The Happening (bad film), and I walked down to their row and just stared at them until they noticed me, then waited five seconds, then went back to my seat. The second lot didn't notice me, but that was during Speed Racer (worse film), so it wasn't too bad. But destroying the experience still gets to me immensely. Bastards. It's good though; I enjoy the rush of potential combat; the unknown of what may happen. I like the feeling that I'm not in control of the situation in a way. Rapid heartbeat and a bit of sweating; it's potential danger situation, but throwing yourself in is kind of fun. It's a nice challenge to undertake. Most of the time in those situations, I know shit is not going to hit the fan. When I do know shit is going to hit the fan is when I'm in the street, and two kids offer me a bag of dried mixed herbs they try to pass off as a bag of green. When I refuse, and they start talking to me. Shit can get heavy from there. When they start sizing me up and looking for a fight. In that situation, the thing to do is NOT to make more conflict arise; it's to defuse the situation. You use calm, "respectful" language, and let the shit defuse itself. Say you're not looking for a fight, and look them directly in the eyes so they know you're not fucking, and then avoid them, by walking quickly away. You're not a pussy if you obey their "commands" e.g. "WALK QUICKER, NOW!" But take the bait, and you'll end up weaker as a person. They're not worth bothering with.
Yay! GO ALPHA POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<3 ALPHA
She is wiseWhy I love LSEs:
beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
"Yes, it will be done."
Originally Posted by Abbie
I owe you no justification whatsoever. My understanding of the functions is highly Ni, meaning I typically think of them symbolically with images. Nonetheless, I know functions when I see them. Just because I don't explain things in nice, little concrete terms for your insular ESTj brain doesn't mean I don't understand it So, before you decide to throw a little counter-phobic temper tantrum and attempt to be confrontational with me (an actual Se valuer), stick the british cock that you so love back in your mouth and think your shit over, ******.Originally Posted by Ezra
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He likes to try to "emotionally damage" people, like Gilly does.
And no matter how much he doesn't understand something, yes, he sees it quite fitting for him to go around and yell and bitch and whine and talk big about what he thinks.
I'm not sure if it is quite the same way as Gilly does, but Gilly often tries to present people as "social outcasts" or "uncool" when he's angry or agitated or feeling threatened (which could point to Beta). Ezra did it here, but I don't know if that's his usual MO.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I am so fucking exactly like that as well. I did that today and I brought some real bad unexpected shit on myself. I was blamed for being rude, cruel, overly sarcastic, overly critical for no reason, judgmental, hurtful, wanting (and enjoying) to purposefully hurt others and what not...
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
This is the process which I believe occurs. My Ni is very honed, which allows me to conceptualize things, typically visually, fairly easily and naturally. My Ti, while strongly valued, is more general and broadly focused. So...when I have an Ni understanding of something and am attempting to explain it, and the Ti articulation hasn't been brought into focus enough, it will seem convoluted/vague/etc. Am I making an excuse? hell no. making an excuse implies that you CARE about compensating for a behavior. As far as I'm concerned, if you can't understand me, then fuck you, you're stupid. There are a good number of people - both Ni-valuing and not - who can understand what I say and where I'm coming from. It's typically the insipid reification artists who suck at translating my metaphors into understanding. So fuck off lolOriginally Posted by Gilly
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I think both of their insecurities are just touched on when someone disagrees with them, so they over-compensate with bitchy rants that only detriment the content of the argument.Originally Posted by Gilly
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WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, DEE???!!Originally Posted by dee
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lol there's no way gilly isn't Fe valuingOriginally Posted by dee
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Wow, we agree for once
I dunno, I know Nick understands the functions to some degree, but he's very bad at explaining them; it requires a lot of patience to make sense of what he's saying in terms of functions sometimes.
It doesn't help that he almost categorically rejects common theories about what functions really are.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
don't expect people to take you seriously when you tell them they're Fi because they have personal sentiments or Se because they are aggressiveOriginally Posted by hotelambush
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