Examples of extraverted intuition

[Binky]

I've read this description of how "Ne" works as a base funcition for ILEs and IEEs from the Wikisocion:

The individual is skilled at generating intellectual interest and curiosity in others and using others' curiosity to get them to do things.

He easily sees parallels between different situations, areas of knowledge or skill, and people, and likes to establish contacts across different fields of knowledge and social groups, which allows him to be part of many things at once. He enjoys considering differing viewpoints and perspectives and seeing if they can be reconciled.

He enjoys the beginning stages of just about anything - new projects, acquiring new skills, experiencing new people and relationships. Preparing for and launching something new is seen as having greater value than the process of experiencing what one already has and finishing what one has begun. The concept of "finishing" seems foreign to him. Instead of taking care to finish things and tie up all loose ends, he tends to drop things when he can't handle them any longer or realize that he has neglected them for too long

Can someone provide examples of how this manifests in real life? How would I recognize ILEs and IEEs using Ne if I saw it with my own eyes?

[Binky]

Fuck my threads. = (

[tereg]

I don't know if this is saying the same thing, but I suppose one way that the ability to see parallels between different situations would manifest is telling an anecdotal story about a similar sounding situation.

I tend to do this a lot in any typical conversation:

I will listen to the topic at hand and if perchance I think of something "interesting" that I think would shed some interesting insight to the topic or maybe a different way to look at the situation, I will demonstrate this by recounting something that has personally happened to me Edit: or that I've personally observed.

Here's another example. Let's suppose that the topic of conversation is about music and the discussion is more than simply "What's your favorite music?" Like someone says something like "I heard this really cool song today. Here, have a listen." Usually what this does is it will remind me of similar sounding music, maybe artists that are direct influences on the artist himself. So I will say something like, "You know what this music reminds me of? ______." And then go on to explain what it is that I'm hearing and contrast or compare it to what it is that I'm thinking of.

As far as the "finishing" vs "starting" bit, if you know someone who has a long list of things that they'd like to do, but can't really seem to get started on any of the things in the list, and as a result the list actually gets larger rather than smaller, I'd say that's a decent sign that is causing that.

But as far as experiencing new things or new people, I'd say maybe that's something like someone who likes to sample various experiences without fully immersing themselves in the experience.

From the wikisocion IEE domain:

Social experiments

IEEs are often less interested in people than in the social relations involved. They often are "social experimenters" who try experiencing different social situations for fun without really being completely "in it," or setting up situations where they will be able to observe how different people interact. This serves to satisfy their curiosity about social interaction and people's personalities and is generally harmless, though disliked by some.

These kinds of things are just naturally interesting to watch and observe.

[tereg]

For me it's also about finding the irreducible essence of something. The universal meaning behind an idea, which cannot be altered in any way. This lets me combine the idea with other ideas in new and interesting ways.

To illustrate this, this happened in a conversation I had with Maria yesterday in which I wanted to wrap my mind around the essence and characteristics of . It's one thing to tell me some sort of external manifestation and then tell me that this is an example of . I'd prefer to go in the other direction -- give me the bare characteristics or essence of the function, so that I can come up with several manifestations myself. It's a bit too clunky to have to "memorize" random examples of things that demonstrate and be expected to explain effectively to someone should they ask me what it is.

For instance, she was talking about how this idea of sort of nagging or complaining someone to get something done can be construed as an example of , but I wasn't seeing why that was the case. I was seeing other elements in that. Then I explained to her what I was hoping to get in my understanding of by explaining how I will take the bare characteristics of , and how then use the characteristics from that to illustrate and explain examples of .

So then when she told me that one particular example of is the idea of being able to hurry things up or slow things down, I then realized she was saying that it's partially about the idea of being able to manage time, not time itself, but rather being able to dictate the tempo or pace that some abstract thing or task is moving in.

So, yes, I also need those bare characteristics in order to fully understand the essence of something.

I also do the tangential thing as well; fixated on things closely related to what I'm observing or doing.

[Sirena]

Well... I have a friend that told me he wanted to quit his job. And for some reason I suddenly just knew he was trying to get a job in my company. How did I "know". I can't really tell.

I called him and asked him directly, and he thought someone at work had told me as, indeed, he was going for an interview the next day. Nobody had told me or even hinted. I didn't even know they were about to interview anyone.

I do such things all the time. ALL the time. Sometimes I know what pieces of reality I put together to find the answer, sometimes I don't.

Think of it as a puzzle. I have maybe 10 out of 50 pieces, but suddenly I know the motif of the puzzle anyway, and can jump to the conclusion. It's almost always accurate. I might have heard something in my friends voice, I might have seen an executive talk to someone they only talk with when someone is going to be hired, etc. I don't even know.

I guess that after I see the whole picture having my 10 pieces, I'll be bored to look for the links between (and the last 40 pieces). That's why I don't find it interesting to finish things. In my head they are already finished...

Don't know if this is a combination of Ne and Fi, though, but it's mostly Ne.

I definitely relate to this.

[Park]

I definitely relate to this.

I doubt much of that's related to Ne base. But other ENps can tell better.

[Sirena]

I doubt much of that's related to Ne base. But other ENps can tell better.

Whatever it is related to, I identify with it.

[Park]

Whatever it is related to, I identify with it.

I heard you the first time.

[Park]

Why do you doubt it?

Because I am not sure it is. And I don't believe in your self-typing much either.

[dbmmama]

Well... I have a friend that told me he wanted to quit his job. And for some reason I suddenly just knew he was trying to get a job in my company. How did I "know". I can't really tell.

I called him and asked him directly, and he thought someone at work had told me as, indeed, he was going for an interview the next day. Nobody had told me or even hinted. I didn't even know they were about to interview anyone.

I do such things all the time. ALL the time. Sometimes I know what pieces of reality I put together to find the answer, sometimes I don't.

Think of it as a puzzle. I have maybe 10 out of 50 pieces, but suddenly I know the motif of the puzzle anyway, and can jump to the conclusion. It's almost always accurate. I might have heard something in my friends voice, I might have seen an executive talk to someone they only talk with when someone is going to be hired, etc. I don't even know.

I guess that after I see the whole picture having my 10 pieces, I'll be bored to look for the links between (and the last 40 pieces). That's why I don't find it interesting to finish things. In my head they are already finished...

Don't know if this is a combination of Ne and Fi, though, but it's mostly Ne.

i identify with it as well. now i think since i realized i'm EII, this is mostly my Fi that puts those pieces together about another PERSON. i do this with people, not with other areas of life...

[consentingadult]

Example of Ne behavior (probably mixed with Fi or Ti):

I work as an independent contractor for a large international IT company. Although it doesn't belong to my job description, I volunteered the idea of Brown Bag Seminars (which is well received by both management and personnel), I am frequently asked to do photography (since they discovered I'm always carrying my SLR camera with me) and can even charge the time for that. I also organize social events, particularly ones that I regard to be of an Si nature, e.g. in August we'll be going to an outdoors theater for a play by Maxim Gorki and have a pick nick on the benches under the summer sun.

Because I take the initiative, I'm frequently asked for other stuff. A while ago I was asked to lead team motivation sessions (in order to get a team of developers invent a plan to improve work conditions), or to make pitch videos of new staff (by the way, I suggested that they recruit own staff for that and give these people a chance at 'play', but they didn't want this, they want me to do it).

The essence of IxE types, is not that they just come up with ideas, but that they start acting on it too and thereby create their own opportunities (and often a lot of unfinished bits in the process as well).

This reminds me of something on the wiki IEE Domain:

Alas, it seems the corporate world doesn't leave room for IEEs to freely do what they do best. Everything the IEE does best is done spontaneously anyways, based on some internal upwelling of ideas or enthusiasm.

Well, perhaps I'm not IEE, but my experience is that there's a LOT of room in the corporate world for an IxE to do what they do best, provided you have proven your value with your regular duties first!

By the way, my girlfriend (SEI) and I are organizing our first Si/Ne party: we're going to invite some friends over to my spacious living room (I knew it would come in handy some day) to watch art house movies while eating away delicious food. I will invite two Delta friends (one SLI, one LSE) and my girlfriend will invite some of her friends, which I haven't met yet, so I wonder if they turn out to be alphas too. Which each such party, we'll choose a theme, and the first time the theme will be "food". I already have chosen Ang Lee's "Eat Drink Man Woman", but I need a couple of suggestions for art house style movies in which food and drink play a prominent role. Suggestions anyone?

[XoX]

I agree there's a lot of room for IxEs in the corporate world, at least in Europe. IxEs are the rulers in my world... However, I think a narrow-minded ST-boss might be hell for me.

From my experience Ne-bosses and clients are good at starting projects and generating opportunities but they can be a real pain in the ass when you have to finish a project (or finish anything). When you have to "deliver". They just tend to create stress and disruption at this point. As if they don't understand that something has to be finished before we can move on to next thing. And they certainly are unrealistic in their demands and usually expect the actual implementation of their ideas to be quick and trivial. This means they have problems staying on budget and agreed timeframe. Not to mean you are like this. Experience probably plays a big role in understanding "realities". I like to work with them if I have someone acting as a sort of "filter" between us. Someone who can sort of control and channel their creativity and turn it into a positive force. Someone who helps them prioritize what is most important to do next and what can be left to be done later on and what should just be dropped completely (=dropped for now). Dropped even from "talks". I think e.g. EIE is a good filter person. Perhaps LIE too. (Edit: In theory SLI or LSE might work even better but I have no experience of that.) They can understand the Ne but can also channel it and shut it down when needed.

I think one problem is that Ne people kind of expect other people to have strong Ne and be as aware and interested of "everything" as they are. I.e. they don't perceive their continuous input of difficult concepts and change requests to be harmful and disruptive. They can't see that it stresses and messes up people with weak Ne or with no preference for Ne point of view. These people don't know what to do with all this input as time and money is running out and new ideas and requests keep flowing. If these multitudes of ideas and request come from a boss or client it is hard to just reject them even when you think you should. Many Ne-people are pretty much never are aware of the practical difficulties people have to face when implementing their ideas and how time consuming it can be. And they don't want to be aware of them. They just want things to "magically" happen for them as soon as they voice something out. This is my experience anyways.

[Wynch]

Mimosa, I think what you described has the foundation of Ne to it, but is essentially Fi reacting to Ne.

This is how I find Ne works for me as an ILE:

Let us say that you give me four random objects, ideas, words, etc. Ne instinctively shows me an array of possible associations with each individual item. Think of it like thought bubbles from each thing. All of this happens in the snap of a finger, almost instantaneously it kicks in, all these bubbles happen and while I start applying Ti to make connections, Ne is creating even more thought bubbles. Ne is constantly dividing and dissecting each idea or item, defining them in a thousand ways, taking them apart. Ne is seeing all the possible things that are. Not really physical, quantifiable definitions (though that's a vague part of) rather it sees an abstract how of something. All possible connections, then Ti or Fi picks out the "right" one or starts connecting the dots to make something new. If you've ever done mind-mapping, Ne is producing all the points and Ti/Fi is creating all the connections. Meanwhile, all those Ne bubbles are inert qualities, kind of like potentials, while Se is overt qualities and more concrete.

The difficulty with Ne is that you're not always consciously aware of every single detail that your brain is coming up with, which is why it sometimes feels as though you've made an answer out of nothing. It's too abstract a process to pin down exactly where your perception is coming from. It's an instinctive, intuitive, understanding. Then there are times when someone will challenge what you've said and you need to take the time to find the root of that Ne perception, which is difficult because it's such an abstract process. So sometimes it will seem like we are unsure, or as though we haven't actually thought something through, which is not really true. We just have to catch up with our instinctive process. This is why you'll probably see a lot of Ne's frustrated when challenged by Se-valuers. It's like you need to press the rewind button and retrace the steps and try and quantify your abstract process (which is really difficult) while Ne continues to produce the rails and posts for your Ti/Fi train track. It can be good if these two can work together. For instance, I find working with ESTp's satisfying, because we're like a tag-team. We're providing both halves of that static perception necessary to fully develop an idea.

Right, so I kind of went on a tangent there. Those are my thoughts.

[FDG]

I agree there's a lot of room for IxEs in the corporate world, at least in Europe. IxEs are the rulers in my world... However, I think a narrow-minded ST-boss might be hell for me. I have some STs executives around as well, and I've heard this (to me ridiculous) phrase coming from them MORE than once:
"Yes, we are aware that you have been our most successful project leader for 3 consecutive years, and we are aware that no other person on your level has ever brought in as much money as you have, but we have this feeling it's a coincidence, as if you have only been lucky... We are waiting to see what happens when you run out of luck. And, yes, we see that you work long hours, with great enthusiasm, but it seems as you always focus on the wrong things, as if you don't know how to prioritize."

These (to me ridiculous) statements must be caused by not understanding Ne, wouldn't you say? I think any narrow-minded person, no matter what function, will tend to not understand other people and their working styles, and in a bad relation, no matter what functions are leading, your style can actually be what prevents you from advancement.

Unfortunately (or fortunately for your self-esteem), what you mention has nothing to do with your Ne, and everything to do with them being ST and bosses. An ST in an hierachical position of power over you will never lend its power. Your only opportunity for advancement is either a change of bosses, or an ENT or ESF promoting you from above the STs.

[XoX]

Unfortunately (or fortunately for your self-esteem), what you mention has nothing to do with your Ne, and everything to do with them being ST and bosses. An ST in an hierachical position of power over you will never lend its power. Your only opportunity for advancement is either a change of bosses, or an ENT or ESF promoting you from above the STs.

Hey, that makes sense.

[Sirena]

An ST in an hierachical position of power over you will never lend its power. Your only opportunity for advancement is either a change of bosses, or an ENT or ESF promoting you from above the STs.

Asses.

[Blaze]

Unfortunately (or fortunately for your self-esteem), what you mention has nothing to do with your Ne, and everything to do with them being ST and bosses. An ST in an hierachical position of power over you will never lend its power. Your only opportunity for advancement is either a change of bosses, or an ENT or ESF promoting you from above the STs.

sure enough for beta ST's. not sure about delta ST's.

[Blaze]

Well... I have a friend that told me he wanted to quit his job. And for some reason I suddenly just knew he was trying to get a job in my company. How did I "know". I can't really tell.

I called him and asked him directly, and he thought someone at work had told me as, indeed, he was going for an interview the next day. Nobody had told me or even hinted. I didn't even know they were about to interview anyone.

I do such things all the time. ALL the time. Sometimes I know what pieces of reality I put together to find the answer, sometimes I don't.

Think of it as a puzzle. I have maybe 10 out of 50 pieces, but suddenly I know the motif of the puzzle anyway, and can jump to the conclusion. It's almost always accurate. I might have heard something in my friends voice, I might have seen an executive talk to someone they only talk with when someone is going to be hired, etc. I don't even know.

I guess that after I see the whole picture having my 10 pieces, I'll be bored to look for the links between (and the last 40 pieces). That's why I don't find it interesting to finish things. In my head they are already finished...

Don't know if this is a combination of Ne and Fi, though, but it's mostly Ne.

these are pretty good descriptions of how leading Ne functions. leading Ne is hard to describe since it's so vague the way the information is perceived. variant data sort of coheses into conclusions, which are reached outside of the body kind of, and the conclusion goes into the brain directly. whereas with S types the data goes into the brain, and the brain then organizes conclusions. with Ne, the conclusions are reached outside of the brain.

i realize this probably makes no sense to anybody.

[Blaze]

forgot to say that Ne is correct a lot of the time.

but sometimes it is not. people who do not value Ne choose the times that Ne is not correct to point out how Ne is generally not correct all the time.