I can get slightly (and sometimes rather) irritated when people are ignorant and/or the opposite of bright, but that's usually more of a problem for them than it is for me.
Yes, more or less. I am more interested in the issue itself and the arguments than in the persons involved in the debate.Originally Posted by dolphin
I don't enjoy debates where people focus more on the emotional aspects than on logical arguments. The purpose of having a debate is to reach a consensus (if possible) on what is the objective truth.Originally Posted by dolphin
If you are taking Sammy with you, don't let him stay in the car to long by himself in the heat. And you have to pat him for me, because I am allergic to cats.Well Phaedrus I'm going to town now. And my car doesn't have air conditioning. But anyway, cheer up! Sammy says hi, btw.
are you saying i could be any of those from all four quadras? ahhhh!!! LOL
i agree with you by the way. at this point it's hard for me to tell what my "base" values are. i've grown to appreciate and value many things in my life, including aspects from each quadra.
when i look at what the enneagram presents it to be, i am a 4w3, going toward that perfectionist side a bit too much in my life that brings me down into depression really wanting my 4ness to SHINE!
Sorry I just thought of another wrinkle.
Two people can state "This is the truth" and both be wrong if what they're saying are not polar opposite statements.
1: The chair is blue.
2: The chair is green.
The chair is neither blue nor green.
Anyways, I'm sorry for derailing the the thread further, but I wanted to state it.
Someone can state that something is the truth or state that something is fact but be incorrect because of a false belief, and it can happen to any person.
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
i think we all agree on that one.
the problem comes in, phaedrus, when there are individuals who ARE bright, but need a bit of emotional "touch" to what you say to hear it properly. yes, that is not your forte and yes, they "shouldn't" need it to hear objective truth. but, the FACT is that there are many bright people who DO NEED IT, whether you like that or not. and that is a truth.
Hey there! Good to see you back. Have you given your type any more thought?[/QUOTE]
Hi back! I just started reading about eannagrams and it makes so much more sense to me than socionics! In socionics, there are several types I seem to be all at once, but the theory does not make this logical/true. With the beauty of the eannagram circle, I can see how I fit and change and improve and get stressed and live in every moment at a undefinable "different" place on this sphere. I can see how it does still stem from my base need, morphing and changing who I am at every new moment of my life. Socionics has only given me stress, while the eannagram has given me a new peace and calm about who I am and my true desires. It has started to show me where I have been and where I want to go...
Truly beautiful
tereg and loki,
which one of you sees potential in a person as coming from within and which one sees it coming from outer experiences? or did i just answer my own question?
then i may be like your mom.
i don't "seek" anyone's hidden potential. spirit already whispered into their soul. it's already there. i see my job as allowing it to shine. giving the person the soil, water, sunshine and love to allow that which spirit whispered into them from before time, to shine in the physical manifestation of them.
I agree that that is a problem, but I am not sure what to do about it. It's very easy for me to separate the logical content of what a person says from any emotional touch that may, or may not, be attached to it. And it seems to be so difficult for others. I know that others have trouble separating what is said from how it is said, but I can't really understand why they find it so difficult (except from the fact that I know that that's simply the way their brains are structured).
of course that's not what i'm saying.
i agree a lot with phaedrus, actually, on a lot of things. i would just love to see him put himself in another's shoes when he speaks to them about what he is about to say to them.
i understand that truth is not always something that can be proved. we can know something without knowing how or why we know it, but that doesn't mean we don't know it. that kind of knowing cannot be proved.
Only one of many conflicting theories can be true.
I call it a universal truth. Did you see? I could!Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica
Like so many others on this forum and elsewhere you confuse truth with knowledge. You simply don't understand the meaning of the concept truth. Learn it -- from one of my many posts where I have explained it in depth, or from a book on semantics, or from the Internet. I don't care how you do it, but please learn how to use concepts correctly.Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica
Hmm. I think it can come externally prompted sources that bring to light sought after potential, but I think it can also come from introspection and finding it yourself as well. It's there if you want to find it.
Also, I want to make it clear that I don't go out of my way to help someone see their potential. They either have to desire it first or if I do decide to approach the subject, I will do it in a "What do you think about this?" way. I don't make people decide to do things or tell people what they should decide, I just show them the options.
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
in a way, yes this piece is channeled art of Archangel Raphael. i also do channeled art of humans souls. in every moment, in our human experience, we are the manifestation of Light shining through...i believe we each "chose" our human life on a certain level...now im getting into my deep spiritual beliefs of existance. i better be careful or someone might slap my hand again, like i am a little child in need of punishing.
i'm a little different. i don't believe in showing people the options. i believe they already KNOW the options within themselves. it is my job to ALLOW those options to shine forth and express in their human life, whatever those options look and feel like, even if i do not agree with them.