Has your overall condition improved or worsened since your learned about Socionics?

[Joy]

I'm particularly interested in responses from those who eat/sleep/breathe Socionics (you know who you are) and/or those who have been learning about Socionics for a little while now (say, six months). Particularly the former.

To be clear, I'm not just talking about things that are directly related to Socionics. By "your overall condition" I mean your life and your mental/emotional state. Are you happier than you were before? How has your physical health been? Your social life? What about the events that have been occurring in your life? Are your circumstances any better? Or worse?

Obviously this is a multifaceted question, but if you can give a very general answer based on your overall state of being, please do. It's an anonymous poll.

[aestrivex]

up and down varyingly.

[JuJu]

I've found that my closest relationships with friends and family have improved. After learning Socionics, I believe that I understand these ppl better, and thus am able to relate with them more effectively... So overall, better. Definitely.

[Joy]

there's no "my condition hasn't significantly changed either way" option

Sure there is. The middle two.

[xyz]

I get laid twice the amount with a fourth of the effort.


THANKS SOCIONICS.

[Ms. Kensington]

it has improved.

[Khola aka Bee]

Well, my current state of affairs is a god-awful mess, but my self-awareness and conviction of character has definitely improved, which improves my all-important SEI "Truth, Beauty and Love Quotient".

Yes.

ZOMG SOMEONE BETTER PUT THAT IN QUOTABLE QUOTES OR I'LL BE IN A WORLD OF INTROVYRT STRYFE!

[Exodus]

It's hard to say, I really can't remember specifically what my emotional state was like pre-socionics (2-3 years ago), but I tend to believe the only consistent effect on it has been because of things other than socionics - going to college, meeting new friends, intellectual challenges, etc. (notwithstanding what I wrote about this question here). However, the decision I made to consciously seek out these things was informed by socionics.

[UDP]

improved

[FDG]

I think more or less the same? I can't remember precisely my condition when I joined. However, I think it hasn't changed much since I was 13.

[Expat]

Socionics has helped me understand things that previously baffled me, so my life has improved as far as that goes.

[XoX]

I have been on and off for two and a half years. In practical/material sense my life has improved (better education, better job, a cool SLE kid, better fitness, lost some weight). Overall mental and physical health hasn't improved or worsened much. Pretty ok but could always be better. I don't know if socionics has anything to do with all this though. I suspect not.

At the same time I have aged 2.5 years and for some reason I actually feel older. I probably look older too. I feel more adult or something. I don't get inspired by same things as I did 2.5 years ago. And back then I kind of could still relate to what 18-20 year old people around here talk about. Kind of. Distantly but still. Now I feel like I have lost a lot of that ability. So I don't find this place as much fun anymore. Especially now that 80% of the talk is not really about socionics but about socializing and arguing/fighting. We would need more people aged 25+ and more socionics talk. More people I could relate with. There are some but not many. Some of them pretty young actually.

I still don't know exactly what good is socionics but it is fun in the sense that it makes me analyze people and relationships I am faced with. I can kill boredom with it. And I suspect it somehow helps me tackle relationship problems which I otherwise couldn't tackle. Still the most important thing about socionics is not the practical applications but the psychological comfort of "understanding better" that it brings.

[MysticSonic]

I've gotten mentally healthier, but not as a result of Socionics.

[Creepy-Diana]

.

[Ms. Kensington]

I can say now without deceiving myself that life is pretty stinking good, and getting better.

[BLauritson]

I dunno really...on the one hand it's helped me understand myself and others better and also given me a general guide on who I'm likely to get on with in closer interactions (shocking as this may sound from an ILI (to those who can't get past stupid stereotypes anyway) , I can actually get on with most people in more casual situations). On the other hand, I'm fucking paranoid about Fe-egos (well, Fe-dominants more specfically) and how I act around them (moreso online oddly enough) so it's a mixed bag really. I've also got the tendency to prejudice people initially based on their type, which is something I try and stop myself from doing when I realise it. But I suppose if I'm doing that, it's because I already had the sort of mind to prejudice people (wittingly or not) rather than something Socionics itself has caused. I dunno, helps me socially I guess, which is always a good thing. Then again, at times instead of accepting others for being different, sometimes if I'm angry towards an individual I end up (in my own mind) having contempt for them being a given type instead. That's not to say I hate the entire type based on that individual, but...I dunno how to explain it, I'll probably do more harm than good trying to. Hell, I've probably already set myself up for someone to attack me just mentioning that I'm instinctively prejudiced but still.. I swear though, whenever I do post something that could possibly offend someone, anyone that might be offended by it suddenly gets some sort of homing beacon to suddenly rush to that thread and chastise me for my existence. It's like this episode of the n00b comic which is only funny if you understand what it parodies. Like any sort of satire really. meh.

[Steve]

I've found that my closest relationships with friends and family have improved. After learning Socionics, I believe that I understand these ppl better, and thus am able to relate with them more effectively... So overall, better. Definitely.

Same

[mikemex]

IEE and ILE, even in their MBTI counterparts, are known as the "most open minded" of all types. So it's not a surprise to me that both types tend to believe socionics has greatly improved their lives. I don't think, however, that socionics has such a great effect on people and in those particular types, it's probably more about the inherent flexibility than the knowledge itself.

My point is that I doubt people can really go beyond their type by themselves. I mean, it's difficult if not impossible to change the way you think, so even if you understand yourself and others, there is a big chance that you'll be unable to change anything.

If socionics has a practical purpose, it is to filter the people you relate to. There it excells.

[XoX]

If socionics has a practical purpose, it is to filter the people you relate to. There it excells.

Of course the problem is that you can do the filtering even without socionics. Actually it is easier to tell whether you relate to someone or not than it is to type them.

Socionics just gives you an explanation of why you relate better to some people than to some others. Which is why I see the psychological comfort given by this understanding as the best gift of socionics. It is a theory. It helps you understand things but you can't do anything practical with it.

[Exodus]

IEE and ILE, even in their MBTI counterparts, are known as the "most open minded" of all types. So it's not a surprise to me that both types tend to believe socionics has greatly improved their lives. I don't think, however, that socionics has such a great effect on people and in those particular types, it's probably more about the inherent flexibility than the knowledge itself.

My point is that I doubt people can really go beyond their type by themselves. I mean, it's difficult if not impossible to change the way you think, so even if you understand yourself and others, there is a big chance that you'll be unable to change anything.

If socionics has a practical purpose, it is to filter the people you relate to. There it excells.

Yes, but the problem is that the filter is not always a good thing; it's really easy to overdo it. Of course you shouldn't be forming close relationships with your conflictors, but avoiding any interaction with them probably will do more harm than good.

[BLauritson]

I guess we both must be INFps because we sometimes value closeness to individuals cuz that's not what REAL ILIs do. :rolls eyes: Gimme a friggin break.

Hahaha...at least two people here have told me off the forum that they think I'm INFp. One of them because I'm "not as bitchy as all the other ILIs" that she knows, the other because of how emotionally sensitive I am. I won't say who they are, although they both know who they are . I find it quite funny really...then again that's because I like both individuals. OH NO I JUST OPENLY ADMITTED TO BEING ON FRIENDLY TERMS WITH TWO INDIVIDUALS :displayofethics: :mustbeinfp: :everyoneknowsthatlogicaltypesdon'thaveemotions:

Seriously though, I'd imagine I'd get quite annoyed if lots of people tried to insist I was IEI though. I have considered it at times, usually based on really stupid reasoning, but too many things just don't make sense if I assume an IEI typing for myself. Not least of which are intertype relations (I think it makes much more sense to like your mirror and dislike your supervisor than vice versa for example, since that's how it often plays out for me IRL). That and various other reasons I've probably come up with in the past but can't think of right now. Heh, reminds me of a random slogan I thought up a short while back: "IP temperament! Because today's concerns are tomorrows indifferences!"

[liveandletlive]

better and worse... however i no sumone whose life has gotten much worse as a result of socionics

[JuJu]

My life is much better than it was when I joined this forum. It had much less to do with socionics than it did with developing some friendships, and awakening to acknowledge the fact that I was the proverbial frog being slowly boiled.

I jumped out of the pot to land in the fire, hop-crawled out and have been slowly healing my burns while being periodically stabbed with a hot poker. I can say now without deceiving myself that life is pretty stinking good, and getting better. The poker is on it's way to being thrown in the fire and melted to a harmless puddle, my burns are well on their way to being healed, and a clear lake of cool water stretches before me. My life is turning into that of just another frog, with the minor regular difficulties involved in any life.

The only part socionics itself played in that was to help me realize that there is a reason some people act so bizarre, and they think I'm just as weird.

That's awesome to read. Hell yeah

Same

also awesome.

[UDP]

My ability to interpret relationships and understand why some of them fail and succeed has increased. I feel as though I have increased my ability to succeed in terms of having a functional and enjoyable relationship, and as such I am pleased.

It isn't about what "type relationship" you have, but how people are dealing with the functional differences that is significant.

[munenori2]

I think my understanding of myself has improved, even if that of others has declined somewhat. Overall it's been positive, since I don't put everyone else above myself like I used to. It's balanced things out a little better I think. Maybe with a greater understanding I'll grasp it all more firmly than I do now, which would be phenomenal.

[XoX]

better and worse... however i no sumone whose life has gotten much worse as a result of socionics

Your most dearest INTp friend who you completely abandoned because you wanted to concentrate 100% on your socionics studies?

[JuJu]

IEE and ILE, even in their MBTI counterparts, are known as the "most open minded" of all types. So it's not a surprise to me that both types tend to believe socionics has greatly improved their lives. I don't think, however, that socionics has such a great effect on people and in those particular types, it's probably more about the inherent flexibility than the knowledge itself.

Mikemex, you realize--don't you--that those IEEs and ILEs who posted their "beliefs" in this thread, and whose beliefs you're dismissing ("probably," as you put it) almost certainly have better understandings of themselves and their own beliefs than you do..?

My point is that I doubt people can really go beyond their type by themselves. I mean, it's difficult if not impossible to change the way you think, so even if you understand yourself and others, there is a big chance that you'll be unable to change anything. If socionics has a practical purpose, it is to filter the people you relate to.

No personal offense meant, Mike--normally I would let a sleeping dog lie, so to speak--but essentially, but you're stating that several ppl's beliefs expressed here, including my own, are "probably" invalid... Don't you find this hubristic? Ill-conceived, at the very least?

Peace, -Justin

[Creepy-bg]

better and worse... however i no sumone whose life has gotten much worse as a result of socionics

are you talking about who I think you're talking about?

[XoX]

are you talking about who I think you're talking about?

Am I missing something which I should know before I post? o_O

[misutii]

I think better.... although on the surface it probably seems like it's the same but only because knowledge = power = responsibility = inconvenience but in the long run I know that I'll definitely benefit from it and also it's not like I could have avoided learning about socionics, lol, my Ti Hidden Agenda is like a dirty little whore that always wants more

[liveandletlive]

are you talking about who I think you're talking about?

yeah i blame aushra

[Jimbean]

Well, my life certainly is not any worse. If anything, I am now aware of something that affects me where as before I did not have a clue.

[iAnnAu]

I get laid twice the amount with a fourth of the effort.


THANKS SOCIONICS.

And that is *exactly* what you should repeat to anyone who questions you being an SLI.

I spose socionics has improved my life sumwat. I'm on a mission to lighten up; the theories help me feel less frustrated when my intertype relations seem askew - but telling jokes around here has obviously become my focus ...

And mikemex, it's not impossible to change your thinking. It may be impossible to sustainably alter your information metabolism, but if you've got ideas that don't work well, it will always be in your favor to evolve them. So understanding that people are of different types doesn't equate to trying to "be" more like them - but it should include the willingness to accommodate their differentness. It sounds from your post like you don't think that awareness of differences would actually lead to that ability, but I think that in the best case scenario it does (and really, I'm about having social bonds with the least amount of maintenance and compromise, so maybe I got stuck on your point because I suspect myself of having a similar attitude to yours once upon a time...).

[Wynch]

OH NO I JUST OPENLY ADMITTED TO BEING ON FRIENDLY TERMS WITH TWO INDIVIDUALS :displayofethics: :mustbeinfp: :everyoneknowsthatlogicaltypesdon'thaveemotions:

Everyone knows that logical types are robots. Everyone knows that thinking types are destined for emotional destitution. You're INFp. Face it and be happy with your improved emotional lot.

[Nexus]

At first it got worse when I was subconsciously suppressing functions that did not fit with my type, but lately I've been able to switch between 'S and N' and 'F and T' much more easily and keep a separate attentiveness for each in my mind; though it seems my life is always getting better either way, as though all of my disappointments had a yield strength that applied pressure could overcome with time...

That's not to say I hate the entire type based on that individual

That's probably your talking, rectification would involve not hating that individual deductively (as opposed to inductively not hating the type for ) based on the entire type (not that I'm implicating myself in this regard). The basis for this bias itself is probably holistically deep-rooted in your intuition, with your weaker T-function trying compensate logically (after all, being ILI-Ni you are an N-type's N-type).

[Joy]

"The more you perceive life through a mental screen of abstraction and conceptualization, the more lifeless and flat the world around you becomes." -Eckhart Tolle

[Logos]

I disagree with that assertion. The world takes on many more nuances and dimensions when you are aware of the abstractions and conceptualizations that are in the world.

[Nexus]

I disagree with that assertion. The world takes on many more nuances and dimensions when you are aware of the abstractions and conceptualizations that are in the world.

+1.0000000000000000000000000000000112

[tcaudilllg]

Hell yeah. Unless you've got a model that predicts the existence of wacky idea A, then wacky idea A is just an idea. After all, there is such a thing as schizophrenia which produces ...essentially irrelevant information. The question arises when facing such crazy ideas as "astrology is real", as to how credible a given idea is and whether or not it is coherent.

Certainly we must be appropriately skeptical of passages such as the following, except when put in the proper context. (being either the (unknown) neurological correlates to the phenomenon, or Hegelian dichotomy theories derived from model B):

Boukalov A.V.
Psycho-Informational Environment and Structure of Events within the Physical Space-Time. Synchronics

It is shown that the phenomenon of psycho-informational (psychic) environment structuring and quantization (as discovered by the author earlier) manifests itself also in the structure of physical space-time environment on the causal level, thus forming a 'magic row' of numbers: 6(7), 10(11), 16(17), 26(27), 42(43)... which act as indicators of integral patterns characteristic to any given event. As the statistical data processing, related to 850 information on accidents and catastrophes has shown, the number of individuals involved in each such accident has been really correspondent to the 'magic row' numbers. Therefore, it shall be possible to use causal models (analogous to socionic ones) for description of the internal structure of the physical space-time environment, and to create a singular fractal model (B(SIN)) that would include the structures of psycho-informational environment (ψ, I), physical space-time environment (X, T) and energy impulse (p, E). The 'space-time' component of the model is semantically tied to the psychic one and synchronistically (as С.G.Jung put it) influences participants of the event forming indivisible synchronistic event patterns indicated by the number of participating subjects or objects. The B(SIN) model also gives explanation of some paradoxes related to 'recurrence of humane history' and discovered by N.Мorozov and А.Fomenko, and certain other phenomena.
Key words: socionics, structuring of psychic environment, synchronistic model, synchronics, Boukalov 'magic row', synchronistic archetypes, history.

(It gets worse... according to Buky, even electoral results hinge on these "magic numbers"...) The point is that this is BULLSHIT, and without socionics awareness the barriers to communication can be very high because one has no way to tell a well thought out idea from bullshit like the above. For Alpha NTs, socionics is kind of like a "portable dual" or a "duality algorithm" that one can use to know the ground from the shit. (you can tell I'm straining for an analogy here)

@jxrtes: yes, Bukalov wrote that! Now you know why we don't take Buky's word as gospel around here!

[Exodus]

I disagree with that assertion. The world takes on many more nuances and dimensions when you are aware of the abstractions and conceptualizations that are in the world.

Maybe, but one of the first lessons of Socionics is that the more you use T, the less you can use F.