Has your overall condition improved or worsened since your learned about Socionics?

[Joy]

I'm particularly interested in responses from those who eat/sleep/breathe Socionics (you know who you are) and/or those who have been learning about Socionics for a little while now (say, six months). Particularly the former.

To be clear, I'm not just talking about things that are directly related to Socionics. By "your overall condition" I mean your life and your mental/emotional state. Are you happier than you were before? How has your physical health been? Your social life? What about the events that have been occurring in your life? Are your circumstances any better? Or worse?

Obviously this is a multifaceted question, but if you can give a very general answer based on your overall state of being, please do. It's an anonymous poll.

[aestrivex]

up and down varyingly.

[xyz]

I get laid twice the amount with a fourth of the effort.


THANKS SOCIONICS.

[Ms. Kensington]

it has improved.

[iAnnAu]

I get laid twice the amount with a fourth of the effort.


THANKS SOCIONICS.

And that is *exactly* what you should repeat to anyone who questions you being an SLI.

I spose socionics has improved my life sumwat. I'm on a mission to lighten up; the theories help me feel less frustrated when my intertype relations seem askew - but telling jokes around here has obviously become my focus ...

And mikemex, it's not impossible to change your thinking. It may be impossible to sustainably alter your information metabolism, but if you've got ideas that don't work well, it will always be in your favor to evolve them. So understanding that people are of different types doesn't equate to trying to "be" more like them - but it should include the willingness to accommodate their differentness. It sounds from your post like you don't think that awareness of differences would actually lead to that ability, but I think that in the best case scenario it does (and really, I'm about having social bonds with the least amount of maintenance and compromise, so maybe I got stuck on your point because I suspect myself of having a similar attitude to yours once upon a time...).

[Khola aka Bee]

Well, my current state of affairs is a god-awful mess, but my self-awareness and conviction of character has definitely improved, which improves my all-important SEI "Truth, Beauty and Love Quotient".

Yes.

ZOMG SOMEONE BETTER PUT THAT IN QUOTABLE QUOTES OR I'LL BE IN A WORLD OF INTROVYRT STRYFE!

[Exodus]

It's hard to say, I really can't remember specifically what my emotional state was like pre-socionics (2-3 years ago), but I tend to believe the only consistent effect on it has been because of things other than socionics - going to college, meeting new friends, intellectual challenges, etc. (notwithstanding what I wrote about this question here). However, the decision I made to consciously seek out these things was informed by socionics.

[UDP]

improved

[FDG]

I think more or less the same? I can't remember precisely my condition when I joined. However, I think it hasn't changed much since I was 13.

[Expat]

Socionics has helped me understand things that previously baffled me, so my life has improved as far as that goes.

[XoX]

I have been on and off for two and a half years. In practical/material sense my life has improved (better education, better job, a cool SLE kid, better fitness, lost some weight). Overall mental and physical health hasn't improved or worsened much. Pretty ok but could always be better. I don't know if socionics has anything to do with all this though. I suspect not.

At the same time I have aged 2.5 years and for some reason I actually feel older. I probably look older too. I feel more adult or something. I don't get inspired by same things as I did 2.5 years ago. And back then I kind of could still relate to what 18-20 year old people around here talk about. Kind of. Distantly but still. Now I feel like I have lost a lot of that ability. So I don't find this place as much fun anymore. Especially now that 80% of the talk is not really about socionics but about socializing and arguing/fighting. We would need more people aged 25+ and more socionics talk. More people I could relate with. There are some but not many. Some of them pretty young actually.

I still don't know exactly what good is socionics but it is fun in the sense that it makes me analyze people and relationships I am faced with. I can kill boredom with it. And I suspect it somehow helps me tackle relationship problems which I otherwise couldn't tackle. Still the most important thing about socionics is not the practical applications but the psychological comfort of "understanding better" that it brings.

[MysticSonic]

I've gotten mentally healthier, but not as a result of Socionics.

[BLauritson]

I dunno really...on the one hand it's helped me understand myself and others better and also given me a general guide on who I'm likely to get on with in closer interactions (shocking as this may sound from an ILI (to those who can't get past stupid stereotypes anyway) , I can actually get on with most people in more casual situations). On the other hand, I'm fucking paranoid about Fe-egos (well, Fe-dominants more specfically) and how I act around them (moreso online oddly enough) so it's a mixed bag really. I've also got the tendency to prejudice people initially based on their type, which is something I try and stop myself from doing when I realise it. But I suppose if I'm doing that, it's because I already had the sort of mind to prejudice people (wittingly or not) rather than something Socionics itself has caused. I dunno, helps me socially I guess, which is always a good thing. Then again, at times instead of accepting others for being different, sometimes if I'm angry towards an individual I end up (in my own mind) having contempt for them being a given type instead. That's not to say I hate the entire type based on that individual, but...I dunno how to explain it, I'll probably do more harm than good trying to. Hell, I've probably already set myself up for someone to attack me just mentioning that I'm instinctively prejudiced but still.. I swear though, whenever I do post something that could possibly offend someone, anyone that might be offended by it suddenly gets some sort of homing beacon to suddenly rush to that thread and chastise me for my existence. It's like this episode of the n00b comic which is only funny if you understand what it parodies. Like any sort of satire really. meh.

[Nexus]

At first it got worse when I was subconsciously suppressing functions that did not fit with my type, but lately I've been able to switch between 'S and N' and 'F and T' much more easily and keep a separate attentiveness for each in my mind; though it seems my life is always getting better either way, as though all of my disappointments had a yield strength that applied pressure could overcome with time...

That's not to say I hate the entire type based on that individual

That's probably your talking, rectification would involve not hating that individual deductively (as opposed to inductively not hating the type for ) based on the entire type (not that I'm implicating myself in this regard). The basis for this bias itself is probably holistically deep-rooted in your intuition, with your weaker T-function trying compensate logically (after all, being ILI-Ni you are an N-type's N-type).

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Ms. Kensington]

I can say now without deceiving myself that life is pretty stinking good, and getting better.

[JuJu]

My life is much better than it was when I joined this forum. It had much less to do with socionics than it did with developing some friendships, and awakening to acknowledge the fact that I was the proverbial frog being slowly boiled.

I jumped out of the pot to land in the fire, hop-crawled out and have been slowly healing my burns while being periodically stabbed with a hot poker. I can say now without deceiving myself that life is pretty stinking good, and getting better. The poker is on it's way to being thrown in the fire and melted to a harmless puddle, my burns are well on their way to being healed, and a clear lake of cool water stretches before me. My life is turning into that of just another frog, with the minor regular difficulties involved in any life.

The only part socionics itself played in that was to help me realize that there is a reason some people act so bizarre, and they think I'm just as weird.

That's awesome to read. Hell yeah

Same

also awesome.

[UDP]

My ability to interpret relationships and understand why some of them fail and succeed has increased. I feel as though I have increased my ability to succeed in terms of having a functional and enjoyable relationship, and as such I am pleased.

It isn't about what "type relationship" you have, but how people are dealing with the functional differences that is significant.

[Joy]

"The more you perceive life through a mental screen of abstraction and conceptualization, the more lifeless and flat the world around you becomes." -Eckhart Tolle

[Logos]

I disagree with that assertion. The world takes on many more nuances and dimensions when you are aware of the abstractions and conceptualizations that are in the world.

[Nexus]

I disagree with that assertion. The world takes on many more nuances and dimensions when you are aware of the abstractions and conceptualizations that are in the world.

+1.0000000000000000000000000000000112

[tcaudilllg]

Hell yeah. Unless you've got a model that predicts the existence of wacky idea A, then wacky idea A is just an idea. After all, there is such a thing as schizophrenia which produces ...essentially irrelevant information. The question arises when facing such crazy ideas as "astrology is real", as to how credible a given idea is and whether or not it is coherent.

Certainly we must be appropriately skeptical of passages such as the following, except when put in the proper context. (being either the (unknown) neurological correlates to the phenomenon, or Hegelian dichotomy theories derived from model B):

Boukalov A.V.
Psycho-Informational Environment and Structure of Events within the Physical Space-Time. Synchronics

It is shown that the phenomenon of psycho-informational (psychic) environment structuring and quantization (as discovered by the author earlier) manifests itself also in the structure of physical space-time environment on the causal level, thus forming a 'magic row' of numbers: 6(7), 10(11), 16(17), 26(27), 42(43)... which act as indicators of integral patterns characteristic to any given event. As the statistical data processing, related to 850 information on accidents and catastrophes has shown, the number of individuals involved in each such accident has been really correspondent to the 'magic row' numbers. Therefore, it shall be possible to use causal models (analogous to socionic ones) for description of the internal structure of the physical space-time environment, and to create a singular fractal model (B(SIN)) that would include the structures of psycho-informational environment (ψ, I), physical space-time environment (X, T) and energy impulse (p, E). The 'space-time' component of the model is semantically tied to the psychic one and synchronistically (as С.G.Jung put it) influences participants of the event forming indivisible synchronistic event patterns indicated by the number of participating subjects or objects. The B(SIN) model also gives explanation of some paradoxes related to 'recurrence of humane history' and discovered by N.Мorozov and А.Fomenko, and certain other phenomena.
Key words: socionics, structuring of psychic environment, synchronistic model, synchronics, Boukalov 'magic row', synchronistic archetypes, history.

(It gets worse... according to Buky, even electoral results hinge on these "magic numbers"...) The point is that this is BULLSHIT, and without socionics awareness the barriers to communication can be very high because one has no way to tell a well thought out idea from bullshit like the above. For Alpha NTs, socionics is kind of like a "portable dual" or a "duality algorithm" that one can use to know the ground from the shit. (you can tell I'm straining for an analogy here)

@jxrtes: yes, Bukalov wrote that! Now you know why we don't take Buky's word as gospel around here!

[Exodus]

I disagree with that assertion. The world takes on many more nuances and dimensions when you are aware of the abstractions and conceptualizations that are in the world.

Maybe, but one of the first lessons of Socionics is that the more you use T, the less you can use F.

[Nexus]

Maybe, but one of the first lessons of Socionics is that the more you use T, the less you can use F.

Feelings aren't always applicable...you have to think sometimes to make sense of the world.

[Exodus]

Feelings aren't always applicable...you have to think sometimes to make sense of the world.

Of course.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[FDG]

Feelings aren't always applicable...you have to think sometimes to make sense of the world.

Not to be devil's advocate, but the world "making sense" could exclusively be an illusion of logic (which I partake in shamelessly, of course).

[Logos]

Maybe, but one of the first lessons of Socionics is that the more you use T, the less you can use F.

I actually took it to be more of a S vs. N view of the world than T vs. F.

[Rubicon]

"The more you perceive life through a mental screen of abstraction and conceptualization, the more lifeless and flat the world around you becomes." -Eckhart Tolle

I disagree with that assertion. The world takes on many more nuances and dimensions when you are aware of the abstractions and conceptualizations that are in the world.

I thought the guy was meaning 'lifeless and flat' more in terms of people analysing everything to the point where they don't just feel or experience things without first trying to understand and compartmentalise them. So you miss out on 'real' living and just end up experiencing things in a one-dimensional way.

[Joy]

I thought the guy was meaning 'lifeless and flat' more in terms of people analysing everything to the point where they don't just feel or experience things without first trying to understand and compartmentalise them. So you miss out on 'real' living and just end up experiencing things in a one-dimensional way.

Yes, thank you. (That "one dimension" is that of analyzation, regardless of the number of forms of mental abstractions one uses.)

Anyways, about the general idea behind this topic: I think the negative effect Socionics has on one's life is directly related to the extent which they identify themselves and others as types. One who thinks "this is the way my mind works on a certain level, but it is not who I ultimately am" won't be as negatively effected as those who very strongly identify who they ultimately are with a type/quadra/dichotomy/whatever.

[Nexus]

Am I misunderstanding? You're suggesting that T=thinking and F=feelings, right? Why should it be so? Take the elements Ti and Fi:

Ti= external statics of fields
Fi= internal statics of fields

This simply means that while Ti structures things using relationships between measurable points, Fi does so among unmeasurable or implied points. So while "feeling" may sometimes or even often be the best way to communicate what the implied relationship is and how the Fi type is processing the information, and "logic" the measurable and Ti processes, neither have a lot to do with emotion and thinking. A logical type can be emotionally driven and relying on feelings as much as an ethical type can be. Being detached or non-emotional or relying on brain>heart doesn't make someone a logical type either.

My 2 cents.

I believe that feeling is usually expressed using emotions, as a general construct, and thinking with thoughts; so if you have no emotions you are not feeling (though you may have felt before when you did), and if you have no thoughts you are not thinking.

Yes, thank you. (That "one dimension" is that of analyzation, regardless of the number of forms of mental abstractions one uses.)

Anyways, about the general idea behind this topic: I think the negative effect Socionics has on one's life is directly related to the extent which they identify themselves and others as types. One who thinks "this is the way my mind works on a certain level, but it is not who I ultimately am" won't be as negatively effected as those who very strongly identify who they ultimately are with a type/quadra/dichotomy/whatever.

Have you considered ESE? That statement (and a preference for sensation untainted by abstraction or taxonomy) is not characteristic of intuitive-types. Also, your conclusions seem to be based on a subjective measure of 'is this influence bad' rather than 'does this event happen', which is typical of feeling-types:

"The more you perceive life through a mental screen of abstraction and conceptualization, the more lifeless and flat the world around you becomes." -Eckhart Tolle

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

So worse. I can't find out what I really like in life and it bugs me. I thought of suicide a few times. Not out of feeling sorry for myself, just for the simple fact of feeling useless/expendable.... realizing how utterly pointless everything is.

I really loved someone before but I think if I met him again I would just be awkward and my hopes would be shot down and I wouldn't like him like I used to and in reality it would just be harsh and weird like 'why am I doing this?' All the magic I once felt, that power... that epicness.... just gone. What I felt wasn't real, or didn't amount to anything. I was just being a pathetic little fantasizing boy.

Plus I'm finally getting that being a social hermit is no way to live even if I think it makes me stronger and that I don't need other people... but I'm stubborn.

I was told I just needed to go out and do these practical things, and I did them...but I'm still not happy. I feel like nobody is really getting me and it's so scary sometimes... and lonely. But whatever. I know what I want has to be earned some way.

I try to make myself useful still, despite being a sad and tortured soul. I mean... I help out other people a lot I still don't feel any use or power out of it. Funny enough I get all really giddy when other people can help me, but I can't do the same to others and feel satisfaction. My selfishness is killing me....but I don't know how to connect even when I want to so badly.

Oh well. Everybody's fucked up! =)

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Ice cream is good, I love vanilla.

Hmm. I thought I needed or some sort of or but that post really helped. Thanks Diana. You have an uncanny ability to know what people need, not giving into the delusions of what they think they need. And I need that!

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Logos]

Sorry. Here, would you like a bowl of ice cream smothered in Buttershots, or some such? You can sit out on my deck and eat it with me. Or perhaps just a beer instead?

Ice cream is good, I love vanilla.

Hmm. I thought I needed or some sort of or but that post really helped. Thanks Diana. You have an uncanny ability to know what people need, not giving into the delusions of what they think they need. And I need that!

Umm...the ice cream thread is in the Alpha Quadra sub-forum.

[Khamelion]

Definitely better

[Ezra]

If your condition has improved, all the better for you. If your condition has worsened, see a doctor. A system should never have any negative impact on your health, be it psychological or physical.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

If your condition has worsened, see a doctor. A system should never have any negative impact on your health, be it psychological or physical.

Not everything can be cured by seeing a doctor/therapist, there are a lot of other different solutions. I'm just saying people always say 'see a therapist!' cause they're too lazy to help the person themselves (Don't get mad you know I'm right) But that's okay, it's not up to them anyway but the person actually suffering lol.

Who knows, maybe going off to a kenya village for 2 weeks will cure all their problems. You just don't know sometimes. But I know I don't need no sissy shrink!

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I agree. People think they need deeper inner reflections when really it's the opposite, change your EXTERNAL environment. It really helps. As long as the external environment is compatible with you, of course, but just pick a place where everybody has similar ideals. Not lifestyles or superficial stuff, but ideals and thoughts and 'inner things.'

But with insane gas prices and limited traveling options this might not be practical. A mere vacation could do wonders I think. But I suggest go alone actually, or with 'new people.' If you go with people with 'old energies' you might just be taking along the old energy from your old town with you, you know?

This isn't a 'change your job' thing either, more like change your place... which usually means changing jobs but... anyways, I think more people need to understand that this solution kicks ass.