EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
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lol.
i didn't really think that what scarlett said was all that offensive, just straightforward and honest...in a forceful Se hidden agenda kinda way. lol.
but more to the point....why do we not think dbmm is an EIE? does the relation with scarlett imply a delta quadra person? like IEE?
enquiring minds want to know!
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I don't see ENFjs as doubters. Their dominant world is an established and judgmental one of Fe....their minds are made up...................their perceptions that follow are attempts to reconcile the views of Fe in an ever-changing way---their intuition is dynamic...and their external senses very much aware of the reconciliation process.
The Ni subtypes...have the Ni of an ENTj and this in-itself does not constitute doubt.
Any type can have doubts if their functions are not working in the right place at the right time.
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EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
I dont know what life is like for you, but I think ENFJs can be incredibly sensitive, actually, and almost have a phsyical memory of events and that we can hold onto things and see predominating patterns in others. We can be somewhat analytical and are obviously very emotional and intuitive.
So that being said...I think that unless we're raised in very supportive environments or miraculously surrounded by warm, sensitive people who understand us, that we're probably going to experience doubts.
In terms of dealing with my own problems in life I think i tend to attract narcissistic types of people and what I'm trying to focus on right now are things like this:
*Oppression causes bodily changes. These changes make you think you are going crazy. There is a difference between a mental illness and a psychological injury.
*When one is in a "victim state," one sees the oppressor as the enemy, as the one with the power, and as a result, the victim is easily manipulated into frustration and anger. The narcissist will utilize this dynamic to incite people into emotional states which can be exploited into distractions from the core issues.
*An excellent emotional boundary system does not allow the force of another person's emotions to penetrate one's own personal space.
Lefty
ENFJ
"I'm Sick of Old Men Dreaming Up Wars for Young Men To Die In," George McGovern.
like DOUBTING MY TYPE EVERY GODDAMN DAY OF MY LIFE
that's what
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Exactly.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Don't make me punch you in the baby maker
*pants obediently nonetheless*
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Yea, I Have a lot of doubt, now a days I just ignore my screaming doubts going thur in my head. It's like sharp contrast and contradiction of what if this can happen, and doubts stemming from thinking too much of things. which leads to confusion and losing the direction I am going to. This might be big things like career changes, life goals, or it can be as little as someone said a small thing and it happens that we analysis it to and taking the sentiment into a meaning of things(which may not be true at all), resulting in something that someone say which was not internationally hurtful but since you doubt so much you delude yourself in certain belief that you may have made it all up in your head, Introvert intuition lies on the underlying unconscious reality and one's interpretation of it.
No, I think we all doubt to it's certain extend. like our types, we will naturally look for alternative and figure out what your types are if you are learning socionic. so there are some kind of doubting involved. I find some EIE doubt just about everything which includes every action they take and every movement they make etc... I think most types would have just blow by and not second look by at what they do, A lot of this has to do with self-imagine of a three in the Enneagram. take this description for example,
Three: Self-restraint
The passion of Threes is deceit. The counterpassion is a caricature of the virtue of truth in which Threes try to appear reserved and discrete. When in counterpassion, Threes do not exhibit their achievements or they down-play them; they center their attention and their interest on the other. Threes may consider themselves shy, or others may perceive them as shy. In reality, this reserved approach regarding success and competence is an unconscious action to lower expectations and thereby avoid failure, or minimize its possible effects.
At it worse when I used to doubt even more so than now, I like to present myself in a way that is acceptable to everyone, to be prefect in their eyes, so everything I say, I do is what I want the other person to see me as what I want them to see me. but behaving like that would sure creates internal doubt and would wrestle yourself with authenticity, especially if you have a four wing, where it interject introspection into being unique, being "real to yourself". This three wing four combination sure would make someone creates this reservedness the quote above explains, looking into the line of acceptance and being true to yourself is a hard thing to do today's time.Could you give some specific examples of what you mean? I think that might help me understand.
Yes, I definity see him as an EIE, I think they he might think he is an Introvert from the description of the three above.Do you see Gilly as EIE?
Very interesting.Three: Self-restraint
The passion of Threes is deceit. The counterpassion is a caricature of the virtue of truth in which Threes try to appear reserved and discrete. When in counterpassion, Threes do not exhibit their achievements or they down-play them; they center their attention and their interest on the other. Threes may consider themselves shy, or others may perceive them as shy. In reality, this reserved approach regarding success and competence is an unconscious action to lower expectations and thereby avoid failure, or minimize its possible effects.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
This thread makes me think I could be EIE.
That was very well put, numbers.
Well, I can say that I really relate to your posts, though I never considered the possibility until now, particularly because of the temperament thing.
Sorry, I'll elaborate more later. I'm in a really crappy mood right now. But wow, I seriously hate how I am constantly overanalyzing and doubting EVERYTHING. Things never just are. It's so emotionally draining. Basically, your OP is one of my main frustrations with myself. Something that causes me a lot of grief half the time. I feel like I'm constantly seeking clarity and certainty, but the more I look, the less I find.
Yeah, I do. I relate to the entire thread. But I don't see how EJ temperament fits at all for myself. But I don't feel like I truly understand the essence of the temperaments though.Thanks, you relate a lot to it?
First of all - How do I figure out if I'm Fe or Ni?
Secondly - As I've been posting I've found my dual recently and I think ENFJ doubts stem from their uncomplimented INFP Model B Unconscious. I think we can waste away like an INFP ghost never asserting ourselves and kind of being afraid to live for fear of hurting others or the planet, etc. But that the ISTJ's ESTP Model B Unconscious brings out the best in us, dares us to live, makes us feel real, brings us back to life.
It's positive, because all though we can be, we are generally not destructive assholes. We are thoughtful contemplative sensitive caring buddhas . The world suffers from a deficit of the conscientious personality type were something like the second or third rarest based on a set of statistics I read. And we're a threat to all types. We challange the Alphas to create things that wont destroy us, we challenge the Gammas to match their concepts and products etc. with humanism and we challenge their wars, and we challenge the Deltas to recognize the individual and the individuals desire and rights to sovereignty.
Yes that tendency to give whatever people are seeking that chameleon quality can be one of the ways we fade out and if we do it too much for others we have nothing left for ourselves which is why its great to have the dual to come back to who knows us, who looks for consistency in us, who says bold and brazen things that make us give up the act.At it worse when I used to doubt even more so than now, I like to present myself in a way that is acceptable to everyone, to be prefect in their eyes, so everything I say, I do is what I want the other person to see me as what I want them to see me. but behaving like that would sure creates internal doubt and would wrestle yourself with authenticity, especially if you have a four wing, where it interject introspection into being unique, being "real to yourself". This three wing four combination sure would make someone creates this reservedness the quote above explains, looking into the line of acceptance and being true to yourself is a hard thing to do today's time.