found this guy's videos linked to jimbean's video on youtube. since we're debating his type on stickam right now, i thought i'd ask you all what the rest of you think.
found this guy's videos linked to jimbean's video on youtube. since we're debating his type on stickam right now, i thought i'd ask you all what the rest of you think.
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My first guess is ILE, followed by LII
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
IEI ftw
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I think he's right, ENTp... The other types I could see are the beta NFs, (and they're a close second and third.) Def not ENFp.
Last edited by JuJu; 06-18-2008 at 06:59 AM.
He talks so hurriedly and nervously, so it's hard to keep listening to him after a while.
o.o I don't see where ILE is coming from...I guess he's obviously intuitive and seems more irrational, but to me he screams NiFe. Two words: Kurt Cobain.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
you're all wrong.
look very carefully.
i would buy EIE, but probably not IEI. there's too much factual sort of presence in his communication.
in talking about things, i think the sort of Ni manner of expression is clear in the irony that he gives off, but at the same time he gives off much more of a sense of communicating this by communicating in a very rationalistic sort of fashion. in a sense it's like listening to "i purchased product X at store Y in order to utilize it for purpose Z. i then utilized it sufficiently in order to amortize its value threefold."
i think the general way he speaks is not really focused on producing an emotional reaction so much as communicating the sense of Ni that he sees, which he does humorously, but primarily in a Te way. i think its similar to the way that gamma NTs can communicate; at times i think it can resemble my own communication.
though not 100% convinced by any means, i think ILI is a better guess.
and yes gilly i know you have no absolutely idea what i'm talking about at all. so shut up in advance.
ftr the other guy that was being discussed before my connection collapsed i think might have been EII, maybe ESI.
I would consider him Ti/Fe valuing than anything else.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
What you might be noticing, and maybe why you're thinking Fe base, (I imagine,) is the accent he puts on certain words to 'dramatize' sentences... yeah, a lot of ppl associate that accent with beta NF (lol.) If you listen to what he says though, rather than how he says it...
Also, if you're comparing with Cobain--this guy's speaking a mile a minute... The rapidity of his speech would be a real anomaly among INFps.
I don't know about this guy--no more than you all--but he reminds me of a ENTp friend of mine who is gay--same vocal inflections, same nervous energy.
Nifweed's argument makes some sense to me too--I will re-evaluate in light of it.
Last edited by JuJu; 06-18-2008 at 07:04 PM.
That was a little harsh, Niff. I actually think ILI is plausible, but EIE would be tough for me to see; he seems introverted. However my first guess remains IEI-Ni. He is rather expressive, both tonally and facially, IMO; much moreso than you, for example. The second video casts him in a much more NiFe light, IMO; his use of his living space in the video is not not really geared towards trying to convey useful information or explain his interests or anything of that sort as much as it is giving an "impression" of who he is. That's how I see it, anyways.
Juju I'm not sure that what you're saying about "rapidity of speech" would really have anything to do with how he relates to IEIs. If anything I would see it most likely being most annoying to an Si type.
He also has a sort of "deer in the headlights" look to his eyes that I have always associated with IEIs.
I am pretty confident in IEI for this guy. He reminds me a lot of a girl I have typed as IEI-Ni who I work with at a coffee shop.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I'm not sure what you mean here... How he relates to IEIs? Oh, did you think I was trying to predict how he'd relate to one? I dunno... I was trying to say that I've never heard a IEI talk like that--and also, that the content of what he's saying indicates XNTp...
I think one could make a comparison between his videos here and your video where you're talking about being a lawyer, to be honest... Similar energy.
o.o Really?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I dunno, I'm pretty set on EIE at the moment, so probably not very much there, at least as far as the case for his being ILE goes.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
EIE works better for you than it does for him... IMO, your type could go either way, (between the two that you usually debate,) but that's a very superficial typing on my part--obviously, I don't know you very well. You bear superficial resemblance to both ILE and EIE... I imagine that you probably know this by now though, lol (Ti & Fe)
I don't know him very well either... I'm just trying to give ballpark estimates of what his type could be... And I think that ENTp fits him the best, based on what's shown. This could all change if he puts up a video where he's IEIing around, or exhibits clearly Gamma values or something...
It's especially hard to tell j/p in less than five minutes--that's something that's usually proven over time, in my experience.
Last edited by JuJu; 06-18-2008 at 10:08 PM.
I think the second video was actually quite IEI. He was showing all sorts of different things in his appartment or room or whatever in a somewhat "showy" way; not saying "hey look how cool I am," but it seemed that the things he was talking about were in some way related to the impression of himself he was trying to give the viewer. He seemed to be assigning them "special significance," making them not just things that he wanted to talk about from some personal interest standpoint, but rather using the way in which they participate in his story, so to speak, to give them emotional significance; he develops an emotional context for the viewer in order to convey an "image" of himself, and thereby make it more "interesting" than if he were to simply say "this is my room, here is my shit, blah blah blah."
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I think he is definitely beta. IEI seems fitting as of now. That comment "I love to seek knowledge" could have come from my mouth word for word. Excellent example of HA.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
Haha! I agree with this... The way he accents certain words too, I believe, one could construe as IEI-ish... (Andy Warhol is a good example of this kinda accent.) But yeah, these aren't very substantive commonalities... So yeah, I don't know where ppl are getting IEI so strongly either. (?)
I do. I'm pretty sure.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...