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A very well-reasoned argument - impossible to pick apart.
Originally Posted by Logos
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I pity your souls
this is why we needed discojoe's pie button.
Fuck it. I've stated my opinion and have no obligation to elaborate if I don't feel like it. You people can think what you want. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
I didn't mean my post in a way making fun of your post... it simply came to mind.Originally Posted by Joy
I didn't mean my response towards you... more elro and glamorama
Joy you should understand that it seems a bit silly to post such a declaration without any intent of informing people of the rationale behind it.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Do you think I care right now?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
i love ifmd95 so much.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
I'll be the first to admit that I'm no expert on socionics, but I just cannot see how Ezra is SEE. That would mean Ti is his PoLR, and that's just doesn't seem to match the content of his posts. It seems to me that he uses Ti alot
It would also mean that he is my conflictor. I don't really see that. Maybe I haven't been around enough, but he seems to get along ok with most LII's. Of course, not everyone accepts inter-type relations...
LII
glamourama, I'll explain it to you in PM. Last night, I thought everyone I cared who thought I was SEE actually did think I was (though I still need to discuss it with niffweed). Most of these people came to this conclusion themselves. Now I realise that I want to explain it to you, for whatever reason I can't explain.
For you, it seems that this kind of argument is good enough.
joy what made u decide this? ive talked to him about his type and im still between SLE and SEE for him so im curious to hear your argument.
ESFp-Fi sub
6w7 sx/so/sp
Let me see it too, por favor.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
...wouldn't that mean Ezra supervises me? If I'm EII, that is.
I honestly don't feel supervised at all. And I don't really see the strong Fi, either (provided I have a decently accurate understanding of Fi).
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
Then don't make some dumbass claim about it in public.Originally Posted by Joy
btw, nice demonstration of how you're Fe - promoting an opinion to make an effect, then bitching when there is external discord
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
not enough NiOriginally Posted by Starfall
I think there's an argument there for Ezra being Ti PoLR. However, I'm not sure I see the creative Fi. (In other words, I see what could be called poor Ti, but I don't see valued Fi.) If I am ILE, that may just be function-blindness on my part... But even so, I'd be happy to hear someone's argument for it. Another hesitation I have for considering Ezra as SEE is, as glamourama said, his dislike of how Beta is stereotypically portrayed. From some of his recent posts it seems like he doesn't really understand Ti. He seems to equate Ti with simple closed-mindedness - of course looking at it that way would make someone not like it.
Originally Posted by Logos
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I pity your souls
no surprise there lol. It seems that the same type of stuff has contributed to Joy's self-typing of ENTj.Originally Posted by glamourama
what's wrong with being an emotionally-unstable rape victim???Originally Posted by Starfall
based on the fact that he doesn't give Ni interpretations. I don't see him use it at all, really. He's not that abstract imo.Originally Posted by hellothere
lol.
in other news, i havent read much of ezra's posts, but he is very reactive, and kinda reminds me of gilly in that way. I think I've seen him post in the style of making arguments and in demanding arguments.. i dont think i've seen it enough to say its strong or weak though. Seems like its in the mushy middle in the land of typing factors.
Ni people are more contextually-oriented. They deal with ideas by shifting frameworks and whatnot. He seems more absolute.Originally Posted by Mrs Kensington
lol, I wasn't referring specifically to you.Originally Posted by Starfall
Originally Posted by Logos
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I pity your souls
I don't know yet exactly how to quantify what the relation is. Stickam has helped a little, but nothing definite.
I think I could feel "supervised" by liveandletlive, probably. I remember when she was describing her trip to Europe(?) and some of the problems she was having with her companions. She had some of the same desires that I would have, but she approached the solution in a... way that probably would have been a bit uncomfortable for me. Also, how she deals with printers that don't work. I'd have agreed with her, but... Basically, she seems like an ESTp with Fi. Or an ENFp with Se instead of Ne. Comprehensible yet scary. I'd agree with and like her enough that I couldn't resist her ideas and goals very well. At the same time, I think she'd understand me pretty well and probably like me well enough, too. Hm, that doesn't quite capture it but, oh, well. The conversation is about Ezra, not her.
Anyway, I don't feel supervised by Ezra.
My concept of Fi? It's rather hard for me to put into words, I'm afraid. I'm sorry if that sounds like a cop-out. I don't want it like that. Perhaps I will come up with something that works.
But until then, maybe we can take other people's definitions, ones that I think aren't too far off. Joy's, for example:
Are you confident in your understanding of your relationship with others? How about of other people's relationships with each other?Originally Posted by Joy
Do you know who your friends are, Ezra? Do you know who likes you? Do you know who doesn't care? Do you know who loves you? And why? Is this something that comes relatively easily to you? Or is it foreign?
There's more to Fi than that, but that's a start, I believe.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
True. And, you're right, that's where people who are proficient in that can see what the case really is. And, I'd say from what I've observed that while Ezra has an idea of it that isn't too far off at times, he's still less than skilled at it. Certainly not as skilled as someone with Fi in the ego would be.
See, I'll watch him (like I do others, btw) and think to myself, "Why is he being so open with that person? Sure, they're laughing and joking, but doesn't he see that person doesn't really care at all about him? That they can't be trusted like that? He's giving himself to the wrong people. Etc." (It's a very brief thought, though, and not usually in so many words - because I've long since learned that people rarely like hearing that type of stuff from me. They don't want to be hampered like that. It's their business, too, not mine.)
Also... Gah! I was going to say more but I can't. Words aren't coming tonight.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
To be quite honest, I'm oblivious to that. I don't notice the feelings that fly between people at all. I know when someone is annoyed at me, because I can read how they're speaking to me etc., but generally, I have no conception of people's feelings towards me. You know this coloured ribbon shit someone was going on about a while ago; how Fis can sense the different ribbons between individuals? Well, that was incredibly far out to me; I had no idea what the fuck it was talking about. If that is the case with some people, then I am blind to it. In the words of a member of a ghetto, I ain' gaht no fuckin' coloured ribbons goin' between me and they. Waht iz dat shit, man!?
Be more specific. Who are you talking about?
FTR, I like it. Helps me get an insight into my character.(It's a very brief thought, though, and not usually in so many words - because I've long since learned that people rarely like hearing that type of stuff from me. They don't want to be hampered like that. It's their business, too, not mine.)
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
For me it depends on how close I am to them and if I think they'll be receptive. There isn't often that combination of close to me + needing + wanting.
Thank you, that's nice of you to say. If I have an E-type it's probably 9w1.
Ribbons? Expat talked once about how Fi was like laser beams, is that what you mean?
I was talking about you, but also about other people that I see. What do you mean be more specific? Give you a specific instance involving you and someone else?
What do you mean into your character? Wouldn't it be helping you see other people's character?
And, you'd like it... That's interesting. If you do like receiving that input, then while I still say you're not strong in Fi, I can't say you don't value it.
So, are you saying that while you don't get it at all, you're not adverse to hearing about it? Particularly as it relates to how people feel about you?
It made for some interesting discussion, though, didn't it?
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.