Blunt, Aggressive SLEs and Calm, Cool, Calculating ESTps

[Ezra]

I'm very interested in people's general perception of an SLE. Basically, from the Strati and Filatova descriptions, as well as the functional breakdown, I get the sense that the SLE is neither diplomatic nor particularly cool-headed, and that people are sometimes put off by their loud, forceful presence. However, I've noticed some people's definition of an SLE (such as zenbrat's) have emphasised a different kind of feel to the SLE; that is, a kind of restrained, emotionally and verbally tact individual who tends not to walk in and demonstratively dominate the space around them.

[FDG]

Depends on the individual.

[Ritella]

I'm very interested in people's general perception of an SLE. Basically, from the Strati and Filatova descriptions, as well as the functional breakdown, I get the sense that the SLE is neither diplomatic nor particularly cool-headed, and that people are sometimes put off by their loud, forceful presence. However, I've noticed some people's definition of an SLE (such as zenbrat's) have emphasised a different kind of feel to the SLE; that is, a kind of restrained, emotionally and verbally tact individual who tends not to walk in and demonstratively dominate the space around them.

yeah I know a few really cool ones that I like. they are just really chill. the only thing that sort of worries me about them is that I feel like I can't tell what they're thinking- like they're sort of working things to their advantage. As long as this doesn't make them do anything "wrong," I don't actually care what their motives were. Also, males like this are generally good company for me because they tend to take care of things that I'm terrible at and are pretty good at doing all the aristocratic social schmoozing that I hate.
I also know a few SLEs who always have their emotions at the "overload" level. They are always getting reprimanded for being too hostile toward people. Whenever I interact with them it's as if I'm not even half way done with my sentence when I see a glimmer of "got you" in the person's eye and then s/he's jumping down my throat for whatever I've done "wrong." It honestly makes me just not even want to say "hi" to them. Also, these individuals tend to seize opportunities to openly "attack" debate someone in a public situation. I say "attack" because it's very obvious to almost everyone viewing the conversation that the LSE is claiming to be defending some noble ideal, but they're really just power tripping and/or responding to another trigger (i.e. emotional transferrence).

[strrrng]

yeah I know a few really cool ones that I like. they are just really chill. the only thing that sort of worries me about them is that I feel like I can't tell what they're thinking- like they're sort of working things to their advantage. As long as this doesn't make them do anything "wrong," I don't actually care what their motives were. Also, males like this are generally good company for me because they tend to take care of things that I'm terrible at and are pretty good at doing all the aristocratic social schmoozing that I hate.
I also know a few SLEs who always have their emotions at the "overload" level. They are always getting reprimanded for being too hostile toward people. Whenever I interact with them it's as if I'm not even half way done with my sentence when I see a glimmer of "got you" in the person's eye and then s/he's jumping down my throat for whatever I've done "wrong." It honestly makes me just not even want to say "hi" to them. Also, these individuals tend to seize opportunities to openly "attack" debate someone in a public situation. I say "attack" because it's very obvious to almost everyone viewing the conversation that the LSE is claiming to be defending some noble ideal, but they're really just power tripping and/or responding to another trigger (i.e. emotional transferrence).

The underlying gist of your descriptions seems to point to the general trait of SLE's which is that specific type of strategy. It is a very here-and-now tactic that involves constantly scanning stuff (not just sensory, but everything - calculating, etc.), drawing conclusions and taking action. This is simply what they do, and it can sometimes come off as cold or selfish.

[Ritella]

the general trait of SLE's which is that specific type of strategy. It is a very here-and-now tactic that involves constantly scanning stuff (not just sensory, but everything - calculating, etc.), drawing conclusions and taking action. This is simply what they do, and it can sometimes come off as cold or selfish.

yeah, i like that description.
I guess one way to think about the differences between these SLE's is the extent to which the SLE (overtly) benefits from his tactics and/or the extent to which it negatively (or positively) affects others involved. So, my latter example is of an SLE who, to me, appears overtly self-beneficial and somewhat harmful to others. The former isn't.

[strrrng]

yeah, i like that description.
I guess one way to think about the differences between these LSE's is the extent to which the LSE (overtly) benefits from his tactics and/or the extent to which it negatively (or positively) affects others involved. So, my latter example is of an LSE who, to me, appears overtly self-beneficial and somewhat harmful to others. The former isn't.

gotcha. btw, you have a typo. this is why I dislike the three-letter types lol.

[Ritella]

gotcha. btw, you have a typo. this is why I dislike the three-letter types lol.

haha. ok sorry, thanks, i'll correct it...
yeah i have to remember to unscramble the letters each time otherwise i just space and write whatever random three letter combination pops into my head first. GJH type?

[Rubicon]

The SLEs I know are all pretty similar. They have that direct, 'here and now' look that makes you feel like they don't miss much of what's going on externally, but they can't see what's going on inside. They expect openness and honesty from you, and yet it's very hard to read them, like Ritella was saying. So you feel like they have complete control of the situation and they're calling all the shots.

I don't know any 'calm and cool' SLEs. They appear to have insane amounts of energy and rarely sit still. I wouldn't call them calculating - they seem pretty upfront if they have a problem with someone. The ones I know aren't physically aggressive at all - but they seem to be able to diminish their opponents to nothingness with a disdainful look and a barbed one-liner.

My SLE friends usually do the initiating as far as activities go, but they don't like being taken for granted - they expect other people to pitch in. If they feel like people aren't doing their share or just coasting along, they have no qualms about dropping everything so that chaos ensues and people appreciate how integral their presence is to the situation.

They don't mind shyness, but they hate sneakiness. If you're upfront with them, they can be very kind about helping you out.

[Blaze]

SLE's are very hard to read. you can't tell what they are thinking or feeling. i've known both types of them. my ex weas the calm cool type; most people liked him. SLE can identify people's needs very easily, but not their feelings.

[Ezra]

gotcha. btw, you have a typo. this is why I dislike the three-letter types lol.

And you can't typo ESTJ and ESTP?

[aka-kitsune]

SLE's are very hard to read. you can't tell what they are thinking or feeling. i've known both types of them. my ex weas the calm cool type; most people liked him. SLE can identify people's needs very easily, but not their feelings.

I'm coming to the conclusion that we may have a couple of SLEs in our theatre company at present. Well, one for sure at least. That calm "chillness" really baffles me. I just can't read them at all. Very little reactivity that I can utilize. And I guess they're more the SLE-Ti type...?

In fact, this is probably the thing about the much-vaunted IEI-SLE duality that I can't seem to really comprehend. In a sense, their remoteness somewhat intrigues me, but I also find it rather frustrating to be held at arms' length and have no emotional cues to go on to gauge someone's regard for me. Reaction is feedback; I really need that kind of content to feel comfortable with someone. Almost imperceptible ripples on the surface and the enigmatic smile just aren't enough.

I guess I really look for genuinely demonstrative behavior from friends and prospective romantic interests.

[Ezra]

I'm coming to the conclusion that we may have a couple of SLEs in our theatre company at present. Well, one for sure at least. That calm "chillness" really baffles me. I just can't read them at all. Very little reactivity that I can utilize. And I guess they're more the SLE-Ti type...?

The thing is, I don't see "chilledness" in any SLE description - even in the subtype descriptions - nor in the SLE celebrities typed on Rick's site (right or wrong). A distinction between "chilled" and "calm" has to be made; they are not the same thing. I see chilled as a kind of unfocused attitude towards life; chilled people are calm, but calm people aren't necessarily chilled. For example, what about an externally calm person who is burning with rage inside? Or someone who has a calm, methodical, systematic way of single-handedly executing twenty people? Both people are hardly chilled.

[Blaze]

I'm coming to the conclusion that we may have a couple of SLEs in our theatre company at present. Well, one for sure at least. That calm "chillness" really baffles me. I just can't read them at all. Very little reactivity that I can utilize. And I guess they're more the SLE-Ti type...?

In fact, this is probably the thing about the much-vaunted IEI-SLE duality that I can't seem to really comprehend. In a sense, their remoteness somewhat intrigues me, but I also find it rather frustrating to be held at arms' length and have no emotional cues to go on to gauge someone's regard for me. Reaction is feedback; I really need that kind of content to feel comfortable with someone. Almost imperceptible ripples on the surface and the enigmatic smile just aren't enough.

I guess I really look for genuinely demonstrative behavior from friends and prospective romantic interests.

ah well infp Fe is going to tickle the fancy of the SLE quite well....they crave it. just turn on your creative and they'll be putty in your hands

[Ms. Kensington]

I don't know any 'calm and cool' SLEs.

maybe Chris Cornell? i think the consensus is that he's ESTp. I'm not sure though..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=84OsEVq_xDg

hes hot btw

[FDG]

Aka-kitsune is a Ni-INFp, so maybe she would prefer dealing with a Se-ESTp. They're usually more "stereotypically" ESTp in the sense of being similar to the MBTI description: extraverted, sociable, not particularly "chill", a bit hyper.

[aka-kitsune]

Aka-kitsune is a Ni-INFp, so maybe she would prefer dealing with a Se-ESTp. They're usually more "stereotypically" ESTp in the sense of being similar to the MBTI description: extraverted, sociable, not particularly "chill", a bit hyper.

Er... I'm actually more likely an INFp-Fe.

[yeves]

Se subtype and Ti subtype?

[JuJu]

My friend John was one of the calm, cool SLEs. Here's a video of him:

http://aspen.plumtv.com/videos/john_nicoletta

...Mike Tyson's also SLE.

Obviously, Mike Tyson and John are pretty different... Subtypes attempt to account for these differences in demeanor... And I agree with esper--it's important to understand the differences if one hopes to type ppl accurately.

[strrrng]

Regardless of how intense or laid-back they are, they will always have this 'upfrontness' about them, a sort of concrete present that simply says 'I am here in reality'. Beyond that, specific traits can vary.

[jessica129]

I am SLE.