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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    It is.
    How do you know?
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    HOLY SHIT STOP THE PRESSES
    lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    No. Should I?
    It's definitely not a family movie or anything, but it's pretty interesting. I think it touches nicely on some of the themes in this thread actually (as far as the 'fakeness' of Fe/Fi). Paul Rudd kind of overdoes an impression of infantilism in some respects, but overall I thought it was worth seeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    If I say something, they think it's true.
    Why would you say something that isn't true? Are you a compulsive liar?
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    I know another Fe base girl who has the same complaints about me as you do.

    I still love ya though.
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    How do you know?
    Because I know someone that loves tea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    I know another Fe base girl who has the same complaints about me as you do.

    I still love ya though.
    lol, you ain't too bad yourself. I usually end up forgetting all about you when I start saying "all SLIs always do that!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    Why would you say something that isn't true? Are you a compulsive liar?
    no. But almost all Fe comments can be interpreted the wrong way when you try to assume it's the whole truth. and SLIs are good at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    lol, you ain't too bad yourself. I usually end up forgetting all about you when I start saying "all SLIs always do that!"
    I guess I've gotten as used to as I can to the Fe thing.
    Still trips me up at times though


    Actually, I had to learn what "Fe explosions" actually really meant in order to save my sanity....and my voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    Because I know someone that loves tea.
    LOL. Is that a fact or an emotional comment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    Why would you say something that isn't true? Are you a compulsive liar?
    I've heard some Fe types say stuff like...

    "I hate you!"
    "I wish you'd just leave."
    "You're such an asshole. I don't know how I put up with you."
    "I don't know why we're even together anymore."
    "You're so stupid and annoying!"

    ...etc. when they're super pissed. Fi valuing types (especially Te types) see these as indications of the state of the relationship. Fe valuing types seem to be more likely to understand that they're just expressed frustration and didn't mean it literally.

    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    It's definitely not a family movie or anything, but it's pretty interesting. I think it touches nicely on some of the themes in this thread actually (as far as the 'fakeness' of Fe/Fi). Paul Rudd kind of overdoes an impression of infantilism in some respects, but overall I thought it was worth seeing.
    I'll tell Peter to check it out, and if he downloads it I'll watch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    no. But almost all Fe comments can be interpreted the wrong way when you try to assume it's the whole truth. and SLIs are good at that.
    Yeah, it must be their preferred "matter-of-fact" style of communication.

    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    I've heard some Fe types say stuff like...

    "I hate you!"
    "I wish you'd just leave."
    "You're such an asshole. I don't know how I put up with you."
    "I don't know why we're even together anymore."
    "You're so stupid and annoying!"
    Yeah those fucking hurt!
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    LOL. Is that a fact or an emotional comment?
    You decide. No wait, you can't.....

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    I agree with Joy. With socionics I've learned otherwise, but my natural inclination, when hearing those kinds of stuff, is to think "aha, the mask has slipped. That's what s/he really thinks. Very well then".
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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    Yeah those fucking hurt!
    Yeah, I couldn't be in a relationship with someone who said stuff like that. I need ethical stability (Fi), and Fe is too... well, dynamic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    Yeah, it must be their preferred "matter-of-fact" style of communication.

    It must be your preferred style of communication=sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I agree with Joy. With socionics I've learned otherwise, but my natural inclination, when hearing those kinds of stuff, is to think "aha, the mask has slipped. That's what s/he really thinks. Very well then".
    They get pissed when you call them on it, too. Like if someone says that they don't like talking to you because you act a certain way (being too matter-of-fact or "cold", for example) and you say "well then why do you talk to me?" they can get exasperated and say they don't know, or something like that.

    I wonder what things look like from their end of things if you assume that they meant it and stop talking to them for the most part. Will they wonder why you're so reactive or sensitive or difficult... or something? Or will they just assume, similar to what Kristiina said, that it's better that you didn't talk if that's what it turned into?

    I could certainly see how a Fe type would see this as being cold, especially if that person was going through a rough time or was upset with you over something else or whatever. I could see how it could even be seen as a betrayal, now that I really think about it. Maybe that's more of a Te/Fi perspective though?

    Disclaimer: I'm not saying that if a situation like this occurs, it automatically means that the person who said that is a Ti/Fe type. I think Te/Fi types can say stuff like that too, but they probably mean it in a less "dynamic" way when they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Yeah, I couldn't be in a relationship with someone who said stuff like that. I need ethical stability (Fi), and Fe is too... well, dynamic.

    +1000000000000000000000000000 I couldn't agree more.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Yeah, I couldn't be in a relationship with someone who said stuff like that. I need ethical stability (Fi), and Fe is too... well, dynamic.
    Same.
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

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    Fe: just because someone was pissed at you yesterday, doesn't mean they'll be pissed at you today.

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    haha.

    Fe is both incredibly warm one second and incredibly cold the next. I don't like dealing with it, but if I have to I guess it's not so bad as long as I keep in mind stuff like "Oh, he doesn't really mean that" or "She's just being emotional."

    The hard part is if I don't deal with these people I kinda lose the touch real quick.


    Edit: HK, my problem isn't that they say exaggerated things like "I hate you" or "I love you". My problem is they throw around "I hate you's" just as easily as "I love you's". Now how's that for confusing? I just assume they're full of bullshit on both accounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    I think this is what is meant by Fe demonization..

    You could have said like a few positive things... like

    I love you...
    I want you...
    You're so awesome...
    You're so fantastic...

    Really... the last few post of this thread by the Fi self-typers show a serious disregard for what Fe actually is..
    thank you!!!

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    Constant exposure to strong Fe can fuck someone (like me) up very bad.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    thank you!!!
    Those were not directed at you, you know.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    Constant exposure to strong Fe can fuck someone (like me) up very bad.
    Dude it took me quite a fucking while, all the while my head was utterly confused.

    Starfall:
    Usually they say it with such seriousness and fervor that I honestly can't read their tone, words, OR body language. It totally fucks me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    Those were not directed at you, you know.
    How do you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by esper View Post
    You see...some of us are way more likely to show good Fe...and only the bad at like the "nth" of aggravation and forced close psychological distance. Then is when you'll see the bad Fe as well. To most friends and loved ones, however, we're more likely to withdraw than attack, out of genuine concern for you. This is what Fe is in alot of people. There's a difference between the "good" ones and the "bad" ones...
    I suspect this is more accurate than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I would get depressed and confused, and lurk into my little hole. I have to watch what I say quite often because of this, it's definitely a problem that I have with my sister, as she just plain wont talk to me when I upset her (without me intentionally trying to upset her) and this causes me to get confused and very upset.


    Something sort of similar to my example happened relatively recently with someone I was talking to via IM, and I don't talk to that person very much anymore. It isn't because of that conversation though, and it isn't because I don't want to talk to that person or because I'm upset or anything like that... I just don't sign on to yahoo very often anymore. I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to express this or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    I think this is what is meant by Fe demonization..

    You could have said like a few positive things... like

    I love you...
    I want you...
    You're so awesome...
    You're so fantastic...

    Really... the last few post of this thread by the Fi self-typers show a serious disregard for what Fe actually is..
    What he said:

    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    haha.

    Fe is both incredibly warm one second and incredibly cold the next. I don't like dealing with it, but if I have to I guess it's not so bad as long as I keep in mind stuff like "Oh, he doesn't really mean that" or "She's just being emotional."

    The hard part is if I don't deal with these people I kinda lose the touch real quick.


    Edit: HK, my problem isn't that they say exaggerated things like "I hate you" or "I love you". My problem is they throw around "I hate you's" just as easily as "I love you's". Now how's that for confusing? I just assume they're full of bullshit on both accounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esper View Post
    You see...some of us are way more likely to show good Fe...and only the bad at like the "nth" of aggravation and forced close psychological distance. Then is when you'll see the bad Fe as well. To most friends and loved ones, however, we're more likely to withdraw than attack, out of genuine concern for how you'll feel. This is what Fe is in alot of people. There's a difference between the "good" ones and the "bad" ones...
    I think it has a lot to do with the individual's level of wellness. Unhappy people (or those with a lot of inner conflict) are going to express Fe in less happy/healthy/balanced ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    How do you know?
    I use common sense.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    I use common sense.
    Yeah, I need some of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    Yeah, I need some of that.
    $50
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    Yeah, I need some of that.
    I 'm gonna give it to you.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    $50
    Where? And can we work out some kinda deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    I 'm gonna give it to you.
    For free?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    For free?
    No. You gotta pay el naturel.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    I can't compete on free!





























    ........... how the fuck do we get so derailed? SIRENA STOP.
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

    - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    No. You gotta pay el naturel.
    How about some Fe? (back on topic LV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    How about some Fe?
    No thanks. I 'll rather have some tea.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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