Interesting poll! I think this generally reflects the U.S... I know there's a good representation of non American on this forum, but I still hold that a preference for interacting through Te/Fi is found more among Americans/the West/white people
Types with your Te/Fi or Ti/Fe preference
Types with your Ni/Se or Ne/Si preference
Neither - doesn't matter
Interesting poll! I think this generally reflects the U.S... I know there's a good representation of non American on this forum, but I still hold that a preference for interacting through Te/Fi is found more among Americans/the West/white people
I'm not sure! I am scared of being judged by deltas, and betas are more "fun," but maybe in casual settings it's more relaxing to share Ne/Si. I think if my own quadra weren't available, I would maybe relax amongst deltas but marry a beta.
jackass and johnny knoxville aren't largely beta... ok...
at least we agree knoxville is lead. i was so afraid you were going to say he was lead. knoxville *really* didn't seem like an ethical type to me, though i thought he enjoyed .
also, i didn't pay attention to most of the people when i watched jackass. but i thought the antics were like an over-the-top definition of supposed beta group dynamics.
i just feel like if "raw Fi" means a lot of loud emotional expression it's actually . i see "raw Fi" as where we sit down and talk about our feelings sincerely (or insincerely with the possible intent to deceive). i see loud boisterous emotional demonstrations as more like "raw Fe." certain types, like SEE, can display a fair amount of imo, but it's not instead "raw Fi" just because the SEE values > . no, it is still .
i feel like i'm in the twilight zone here with and alternate dimension (aka raw Fi?). i'm seriously confused as to how an extroverted display of feeling is actually .
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i think the point is the qualities are *subdued* with the jackass crew, whereas the qualities are loud, out in the open, and rich. this is why i think the show itself is largely . beta is a quadra with subdued . this doesn't mean there isn't any (IEI especially has strong ). it just means that takes a back seat to .
also @Person most of your arguments hinge upon "i see socionics more deeply than you do."
it's kind of like what they do in jackass... i realize that each of the jackass crew has his own personal feelings, but they are all coming together to generate a certain emotional tone (or range of tones) and are definitely generating excitement. i seem to remember there's also a lot of bouncing off of one another's feelings.Extroverted ethics is an extroverted, rational, and dynamic information element. It is also called Fe, E, the ethics of emotions, or black ethics. Fe is generally associated with the ability to recognize and convey (i.e. make others experience) passions, moods, and emotional states, generate excitement, liveliness, and feelings, get emotionally involved in activities and emotionally involve others, recognize and describe emotional interaction between people and groups, and build a sense of community and emotional unity.
huh. this is like totally what they do on jackass...Types that value Fe like creating a visible atmosphere of camaraderie with other people. They enjoy a loose atmosphere where anything goes, where people don't have to watch too carefully what they say for fear of offending others. This means these types try not to be too thin-skinned, taking jokes with a grain of salt.
they're often trying to be fairly offensive on jackass for the humor value, so they're not always guarding against possibly being received that way. though they may try to lessen the blow a bit, like whenever they harass those parents (forgot which jackass dude's parents).However, they are very conscious of the fact that the way something is said is very important to how it will be received, so they tend to add emphasis, embellishments, and exaggerations here and there to keep people engaged. The best way to say something is highly dependent on the situation and the implied purpose of the exchange, so of course levity is not appropriate in some situations.
that fits.Even after explosive arguments, these types find it hard to hold grudges, and can tolerate people they in principle don't like, as long as the situation is primarily social and doesn't require too close contact. They prefer misgivings to be out in the open; they believe that the silent treatment is one of the worst things you can do to a person, and only aggravates the underlying problem.
jackass is kinda like overdone in this way...Fe as Demonstrative Function (SEE, IEE)
The individual appreciates situations where people are enjoying a positive emotional atmosphere as in having fun and joking together, and is quite adept at creating them himself, but does not see creating or promoting them a top priority, nor does he actively look for people who maintain or need such an atmosphere; too high a focus on that is seen by the individual as overdone.
they're ( cre) good at schmoozing, but also at quickly developing close personal interactions, which they can just let go of with ease. johnny knoxville isn't busy getting close to people or getting to their deepest heartfelt feelings. he's like making them eat until they barf and when they try to escape it, he's like "i didn't say stop bitch. KEEP EATING!" people on jackass are hardly often sentimental. i'm sure you can scour the episodes and find some moments here and there, but well, these are in fact still humans (despite appearances to the contrary).Fi as Creative Function (SEE, IEE)
The individual is very adept at perceiving, establishing, and maintaining personal bonds between people. However, these bonds are often perceived as being situational and flexible rather than static. The individual is inclined to focus on establishing personal bonds with other people in the context of realizing or following perceptions from his base function. The person easily creates a sense of closeness and kinship between people by expressing like and acceptance, but these sentiments are situational rather than an expression of permanent feelings. If the person's mood or external situation changes, he or she may "turn off" the feelings instantly, even forgetting whom they had created the feeling of kinship with.
Originally Posted by Personactually you are wrong @Person. a show cannot be a type. what is this nonsense? a person is a type. a person has a brain.Originally Posted by Person
See you do this all the time... You post a response to me, or others, saying something one way that IS insulting, then you come back and edit your post to sound less reactive, then add a bit more to sound more rational. Your initial responses are often a bit irrational but that makes sense. You are a "feeler" after all. Just try to add a mention so that I see your edits. I have nothing against the edits. I do it all the time but I do say that I have edited if I change it significantly. I appreciate that you took my advice to heart when I asked you to think before you post to me but at least let me know when you change your post so I can see it. I only saw this edit because you quoted me in another post.
I didn't take it personal until you started condescending to me. I was sharing my experiences of real people who are more complex than you think. You say it but I don't think you realize it yet.
Your perception IS very subjective. Doesn't mean you can't rationalize it. Your whole typing approach is very subjective and so is mine. I don't see socionics as black and white as you now claim.
You are basically just parroting my perception of you back to me. I tell you a couple weeks ago that your understanding is very "one dimensional" and now you say to me that my understanding is "one dimensional". I call your way "black and white. You respond that my way is "black and white". You set the tone of our interactions. I am responding to the energy you are projecting. Now I mention your polr and you respond by mentioning my polr.
I asked if I hit your polr because of your reaction, before you came back and edited your whole post. Our conversations will never be productive because of your superiority complex. Like I said if I learn something new, I will give you a "constructive".I guess I don't expect you to make a firm point because of Te-PoLR, but throw out wavering possibilities and impressions, in this case giving them an air of vigor and open-mindedness--so perhaps I shouldn't bother trying to understand your logic, but assume Socionics for you is completely variable and context dependent (?)
All the descriptions of functions are overly simplistic but it is the common language here and the starting point of not only understanding each other, but others understanding what we are talking about.
So again I ask, did I hit your polr? Because I think I might have.
And don't get your panties in a twist. I don't disagree with your self assessment that you are Delta, at least when it comes to my experience of some Delta types, but they are usually Delta STs. I have an EII uncle and I have seen his reactive side as well. I still think he is like the best person I know and very intelligent. He is probably 3 times your age so who knows what the future holds for you.Se as Vulnerable Function
The individual tends to overreact to aggressive or confrontational behavior, taking it as a personal threat when it may only be a knee-jerk reaction or the result of a bad mood. He tends to avoid intruding on others' space or engaging in behavior that may be perceived as coercive, and tries hard to handle his needs by being disciplined and well-prepared himself - rather than relying on others to do things for him. If these strategies fail, his efforts at dealing with the resulting conflict make him look actively pushy in a way that appears awkward and unnatural to others. This opens him up to painful criticism and feelings of weakness and helplessness.
He is able to moralize and instruct others about what they should do and why, but he is not prepared for others' active resistance or refusal to do as he says. In his mind, this would require him to put aside reason and good feelings and simply make the other person do what is necessary. This is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for him to do.
Edit: Your cognitive functions may not be fully set, yet, according to some theories.
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
@Person
Both sounds good.
I really do see what Person is saying here... I mean I'm Beta but I never was a fan of Jackass. Admittedly, it was too straight boy ish for me. Although there is a lot of homoeroticsm in the show, and the dudes kinda look like they could be in Treasure Island Media vids- they never actually fuck each other (boring!), just do typical straight boy ish things like play physical pranks on each other and then giggle about it. I thought it was too goofy and dumb - and I snub my nose at it the way Subterranean might snub his nose at American cuisine or something. (I'm just playfully ribbing on Subt there, I don't know if he would actually do that lol I'm trying to make a point here.)
I don't like people on here always assuming that just because something is over the top or stereotypically Fe (don't take that personally inumbra I know it's not just you, but all of us), means that it will be a Beta value or something... or mean it seriously. Because idk. Fe valuers can be snooty and contained too with the level of immaturity we are willing to handle. I don't know if this is even related to socionics... it's like, I remember me and my best friend getting into this huge argument once about me liking really bad Rugrats sex fic. (yeah we actually got into a huge serious fight over Rugrats lmao life is funny...and I remember her liking Jackass too and not liking corny Rugrats fic, the opposite of me.) For some people Jackass is cool and entertaining... just like how I found Tommy raping Angelica to be hilarious- but to some people, that was immature and they felt serious empathy for a fake cartoon character because Angelica was considered to be a complicated character for some that they could relate to on a personal level. But I am losing my train of thought here.
Anyways the sad part of this forum is that most of you think you are being insightful but really, you are actually paying attention too much to the shell of a person, place or thing. You're not seeing how X could fuck you over or how Y could help you out, because your egos are too attached to the definitions of what X and Y are. I'm not any better in this regard, but I'm trying to be. Sort of. My last therapist was a dick and I didn't really personally like him but he was right when he said I was too shallow. I don't think Person is trying to come off like 'ooh I am a better than you are Holy Priest, so deep and insightful' or anything. I've always silently respected him. Maybe I'm delta after all haha.
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