And it either goes in two directions: too narrow or too broad.Originally Posted by hkkmr
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I am not LII (I am a retard - I don't even know why I'm answering this poll to be honest)
And it either goes in two directions: too narrow or too broad.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
To me that description manages to go in both directions.
It's too narrow in that it actually writes at length, in a tiresome way, about how the functions are supposed to manifest themselves; but it does so by saying the same things over and over. And it's too broad in that it goes for the thing about preferences in music and the like.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Yes, and there is an explanation for that: the profile is definitely written by an ILI.
The reason I posted this was because Phaedrus said that no LII could possibly identify with this description.
Phaedrus is a liar. Of course he's going to attempt to cover up his lies by saying that those LIIs who identify with the description are obviously mistyped. He is an idiot.
They are not necessarily mistyped. But they are necessarily misidentifying it as a description of the LII type in Socionics. It is totally obvious that Paul James is himself an ILI, and that his INTP profile is a description of the ILI type to a much greater extent than it is a description of the LII type. And everyone must recognize that fact.
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Ne-ENTp 7w8 sx/so
That description is a bit overwhelming.
How? So everyone agrees with me now, is that it? Otherwise you have to show why you can't see James's description as ILI.
You're a loony.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
This discription could definitely describe me, and I'm pretty certain I'm not an INTp.
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I haven't said that no LII could possibly identify with it. I have said that no LII should identify with it.
Hey cool, that description explains some things.
From the 2nd paragraph of the "Extraverted Intuition" section:
And from the 6th paragraph of the same section:an INTP will often make controversial, speculative points of argument, often annoying the discussion-partner, and make them in such a way as to leave the impression that he is very serious about what he says. In reality, the INTP is not actually even certain himself whether he really stands by what he is saying, but his Ne strongly suggests that there must be a core of truth there. The purpose then of his outspoken style of argument is to sharpen his own intuitive understanding by testing the reaction of the listener, and indeed to examine the logic of his own arguments in real time while speaking them out.
What a relief, so Phaedrus doesn't really mean it when he argues so strongly for some points. That's the case, isn't it, since Paul James's description perfectly describes Phaedrus, doesn't it?The chameleon behaviour can be particularly strong when discussing something. The INTP may even argue something that he doesn't really believe himself. Sometimes it is for the intellectual stimulation that comes with the challenge of arguing from a variety of standpoints. Otherwise, it may be to avoid early conflict before the situation has been fully assessed.
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