Is my type INFp or INTp?

[Lord Java the 3rd]

Some people are of the opinion that I'm IEI, I thought I'd put that to rest.

I eat bunnies, litter, kill off endangered species, take the last chocolate milk in supermarkets and at parties, and force logical arguments down the throats of people concerned with how others feel.

If I think people are starting to like me, I give them a good bit to hate about me, just to even things out.

Most importantly, I'm not at all for animal rights, because I think we are animals and we are doing a good job of dominating the other up and coming species. It's all sick really, but I really wanted to emphasize that I try and run over the little furry things that cross the road when they really shouldn't. I'm not evil, I just accept that I'm a human animal. I think that a lot of other animals are going to suffer as humans grow and develop. I hope that the unwanted insect population dies down in the future, when we create robot insects to do the important jobs that the little critters were doing. Pretty soon, it will be just us, humans, the victors. Don't tell the IEIs

[Elro]

I actually think you might be Alpha, believe it or not. IEI is also possible. ILI might be possible, but I'd have to sort of stretch more to see that than the other types I've listed.

[Lord Java the 3rd]

I actually think you might be Alpha, believe it or not. IEI is also possible. ILI might be possible, but I'd have to sort of stretch more to see that than the other types I've listed.

You said Alpha, but you didn't give the type. Anyway, I am what I am, I can change my type but not anything physical, if you catch my drift.

My twin brother is LII and we try and brainstorm a good bit. He and I do not see eye to eye on the course of action to take in solving a problem. I know I'm ILI, I've been into this for 3 years, I've done a good bit of reading, and I know myself a little too well to be mistaken. Aside from that, I've known an IEI, she is very sensitive to other people, hears it when I speak*i speak very low* and she hears and comments on what I say, I was amazed when she first did it. However, I've tried to talk to her, she being the first INFJ*mbti* that I had met, and I was amazed and wanted to see what introverted intuition was like for her, I thought we would get along great. However, I soon noticed that our thoughts were not going to connect. I mean no offense when I say this, but she was kind of stupid. She valued peoples feelings and not concepts. So if the topic I wanted to discuss disturbed her even a little, she smiled and tried to correct for my insensitivity.

I'm a child really, in my mind I speak like one. Only I'm not under anyone, a child with a great deal of authority. Authority from potential and mental strength. I'm kind at heart, for I see peoples weaknesses, like struggling animals, missing a great deal of understanding concerning the world they live in. I feel sorry for people, they seem to be blind to what I see. So in that way, I'm kind so as not to disturb their very sensitive framework, sensitive in that they are *unable to deal with the types of reality and chaos that I see and struggle with. So if you are wondering why I'm kind, that is why. If you are wondering why I'm beseeching, it's because of other peoples weaknesses, and I care not to make it known to them. For if they where to view the outer edge of their thoughts, they would become volatile, protective, and unmanageable.

There is also left to consider that I've met my dual, and I've never fallen in love with another person since. A brute, blunt, solid, kind, aware of her surroundings... I could go on, but it was an ESFp or SEE.

I wish to talk to you guys about the ideas that I concern myself with. I'm sure you'll then agree with me that I'm ILI after having witnessed my very powerful thoughts.

I am not great, I'm a moron, however, my thoughts are among the most powerful out there. Ideas rooting out the cores, the basis of applied knowledge and understanding.

[Mea]

Some people are of the opinion that I'm IEI, I thought I'd put that to rest.

I eat bunnies, litter, kill off endangered species, take the last chocolate milk in supermarkets and at parties, and force logical arguments down the throats of people concerned with how others feel.

If I think people are starting to like me, I give them a good bit to hate about me, just to even things out.

Most importantly, I'm not at all for animal rights, because I think we are animals and we are doing a good job of dominating the other up and coming species. It's all sick really, but I really wanted to emphasize that I try and run over the little furry things that cross the road when they really shouldn't. I'm not evil, I just accept that I'm a human animal. I think that a lot of other animals are going to suffer as humans grow and develop. I hope that the unwanted insect population dies down in the future, when we create robot insects to do the important jobs that the little critters were doing. Pretty soon, it will be just us, humans, the victors. Don't tell the IEIs

eh, is this a joke post?
because i don't think that says much to prove ILI>IEI

[Joy]

So far I don't see anything that would suggest ILI over a Fe/Ti type, but it's too soon to tell. We'll have to wait and see how your interactions with other members play out.

[Ezra]

Here's a test: blow me. If you like, you are SLE.

[Ezra]

Here's a test: blow me. If you like, you are IEI.

[Khamelion]

Here's a test: blow me. If you like, you are IEI.

;]

[ScarlettLux]

I pm'd this guy and told him he seemed MUCH more IEI than ILI. I think I am 100% sure he is not an ILI. It's just that I recognize WAAAY too much Beta from him in his posts, as mentioned by another poster. "Colorful" is a good way to term it b/c it is a difficult thing to really pull apart and explain. It's just something you "know" from reading the posts, and I think a lot of other people have noticed this already.

You act like so many IEIs I know. Your thoughts, your way of presenting yourself. It actually reminds me somewhat of Garmonbozia, does anyone agree? Like a male version of her. She has been on the fence between ILI and IEI herself for a while, knowing she is definitely dominant. However, I think it is clear to me and everyone else here now that she is obviously not an ILI, and an subtype of IEI. That is what I think you are, Lord Java. I can smell your though from even across the internet! ILIs just would not present themselves the way you have, no matter if they are (reyn) or (niffweed) subtypes. Compare this guy to the definite ILIs and you will notice extreme differences.

[hellothere]

I agree with ScarlettLux

[Khamelion]

So far I don't see anything that would suggest ILI over a Fe/Ti type, but it's too soon to tell. We'll have to wait and see how your interactions with other members play out.

YES TOO SOON TO TELL MY FRIENDS, TOO SOON TO TELL

[Jarno]

difference between ILI and IEI is simple.

Ask them if they are proud of their logical approach, or their humanistic approach.

ILI will say: Yeah I'm logical and I'm proud of it.

IEI will answer: Of course I'm not logical, it's harsh and wrong to not include people. I hate being logical.

[Lord Java the 3rd]

difference between ILI and IEI is simple.

Ask them if they are proud of their logical approach, or their humanistic approach.

ILI will say: Yeah I'm logical and I'm proud of it.

IEI will answer: Of course I'm not logical, it's harsh and wrong to not include people. I hate being logical.

Looks like I'll have to be happy being a hippo. Because Type has lost me in that inverted time portal inbetween ILI and IEI.

[Phaedrus]

There is a general tendency on this forum to confuse creative with either accepting or creative . We who have creative ourselves of course know that we have it, and it is obvious that those who claim otherwise are brainwashed somehow. It's an interesting phenomenon that I have no really good explanation for, but that's the way it is.

It clearly has something to do with the fact that most people here are much too focused on the quadras, which leads to severe mistypings in many cases. The only way to solve that problem is to try to educate people, I think, but sadly enought they are often almost totally uninterested in learning the types correctly. They generally prefer to stick to their prejudices and misconceptions.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

In general, I tend not to go against self typing. There is something here however that i've been noticing. If Java is ILI or IEI, then he is either going to be Fi seeking or Fe demonstrative, what I have been wondering, and partly been looking to observe, is which he is showing more..Fi seeking or Fe valueing. I'm getting an impression of Fi seeking, but then keeping an open perspective there's been some beta Fe demonstrative also. It could even be some sort of Fe alpha seeking, because there seems to be some sort of mix.

I'm not seeing this as any conclusive method of approach, at this early stage. However I think the seeking/demonstrative approach can have its uses IRL definitely, and I guess I can see it being useful to a certain extent online also, it's something i'm interested in, so i'll give it some observation for further posts.

I guess i'm wanting to put down some of my general thoughts just now..they're kind of not fully formed, I would have prefered to have held off, but dunno..somehow I think putting down some general thoughts/impressions just now *might* have it's uses..for anyone else who's reading (read this far) and Java.

Anyway, i'm possibly rambling now, besides.. in the meantime i'll be shortly getting dragged out to a social event, so I need to go get ready n put on my nice new denims and that kind of ok t-shirt I bought last week. Analysing Java type would be much more interesting.

[Elro]

difference between ILI and IEI is simple.

Ask them if they are proud of their logical approach, or their humanistic approach.

ILI will say: Yeah I'm logical and I'm proud of it.

IEI will answer: Of course I'm not logical, it's harsh and wrong to not include people. I hate being logical.

IEIs see themselves as illogical, and proud of it?

[Phaedrus]

IEIs see themselves as illogical, and proud of it?

To a certain extent, yes. At least in comparison to ILIs. IEIs don't prioritize logic in the same way.

[Joy]

lol that's exactly what I thought when I saw that

fwiw, in my experience Fe/Ti types are much more likely to use the word "logic" a lot than Te/Fi types are. They're more likely to use the word "logical" when admiring someone who they think is smart, more likely to use the word "illogical" when criticizing someone who they think is stupid/foolish, etc.

[misutii]

IEIs see themselves as illogical, and proud of it?

see myself as irrational more so than illogical. Like I can be logical if I try hard and form logic better than logical types dumber than me but it seems unnatural for me to use it too much so I return to using my strong functions.

IEIs wouldn't be proud of being illogical, but probably proud of being who they are, and who they are seems like an illogical person lol

[Expat]

difference between ILI and IEI is simple.

Ask them if they are proud of their logical approach, or their humanistic approach.

ILI will say: Yeah I'm logical and I'm proud of it.

IEI will answer: Of course I'm not logical, it's harsh and wrong to not include people. I hate being logical.

Rubbish.

[Logos]

Rubbish.

Of course it's rubbish. I'm not sure if anyone apart from Jarno seriously considered that statement to be valid.

[Elro]

He's not alpha, he's not IEI... he's just ILI-Ni. There aren't too many on here, and the ones who are here don't have very pronounced personalities. ILI-Ni is alot different then ILI-Te. ILI-Te tells jokes mostly. Instead of developing their own ideas, they seem to focus primarily on critiquing existing ideas ... many times critiquing translates into playing meaningless word games.. they also come off as less socially abrasive, more "with the grain"; maybe even leader of what is considered the grain. ILI-Ni has a closer relationship with emotions, art, philosophy... is more vague with their explanatory style. Focuses on generating thier own ideas as opposed to "accepting or interpreting" existing ideas. Is almost always misunderstood due to their inability to express what is, internally, a very vague abstract image. Comes off as reaching a number of hastey conclusions, ends up backtracking.. trying to explain "these conclusions were merely hypotheses"
...etc. No one can follow ILI-Ni logic. It is better (Java); that is.. it will cause you less anxiety / stress, to learn not to speak of such things (subjective hypotheses).. but rather to keep them inside your head and reap their rewards as they come to fruition in reality, in unfolding events in real time.
Anyway, this is the same forum full of idiots who argued with me I was ENFj.. where I supposedly didn't know myself well enough to know otherwise- that I was 3 of 4 letters away. ..
If you need to give your thoughts structure, write them in a journal. ... do not ask idiots for imput. Well, I guess in some ways talking to the idiots can be an advantage, because you become good with words... good with defending / understanding your position from every vantage point: basically good at dealing with idiots.. but other then that, no. it is a waste of time

I was not in that group, but you do not sound like you are being reasonable. Also I would question that ILI-Tes tell jokes mostly, or that they are less socially abrasive than ILI-Nis. In fact I would think the opposite (stronger Te>Fe distinction). But whatever.

@ Lord Java: I don't really know you well enough to say either way, just offering my first impression. However you did jump out at me very much as un-ILI. Your posts are very colorful somehow, in a way that I sometimes associate with Ne, although there might be Fe too (and actually now I'm sort of leaning that way; that last post comes across as more Beta Fe to me). It's not really that important though.

Also, if your ideas are mind-bogglingly brilliant, would you care to share one?

[Lord Java the 3rd]

He's not alpha, he's not IEI... he's just ILI-Ni. There aren't too many on here, and the ones who are here don't have very pronounced personalities. ILI-Ni is alot different then ILI-Te. ILI-Te tells jokes mostly. Instead of developing their own ideas, they seem to focus primarily on critiquing existing ideas ... many times critiquing translates into playing meaningless word games.. they also come off as less socially abrasive, more "with the grain"; maybe even leader of what is considered the grain. ILI-Ni has a closer relationship with emotions, art, philosophy... is more vague with their explanatory style. Focuses on generating thier own ideas as opposed to "accepting or interpreting" existing ideas. Is almost always misunderstood due to their inability to express what is, internally, a very vague abstract image. Comes off as reaching a number of hastey conclusions, ends up backtracking.. trying to explain "these conclusions were merely hypotheses"
...etc. No one can follow ILI-Ni logic. It is better (Java); that is.. it will cause you less anxiety / stress, to learn not to speak of such things (subjective hypotheses).. but rather to keep them inside your head and reap their rewards as they come to fruition in reality, in unfolding events in real time.
Anyway, this is the same forum full of idiots who argued with me I was ENFj.. where I supposedly didn't know myself well enough to know otherwise- that I was 3 of 4 letters away. ..
If you need to give your thoughts structure, write them in a journal. ... do not ask idiots for imput. Well, I guess in some ways talking to the idiots can be an advantage, because you become good with words... good with defending / understanding your position from every vantage point: basically good at dealing with idiots.. but other then that, no. it is a waste of time

Hi. Thanks for the comment, I strongly feel your sentiments. Sadly, this community possesses this strange ability to change my Te into Fe. I don't know how they do it, but I think they know what they are doing, so I'm going to pass the authority on to them.

I wouldn't call them idiots, just incorrect. Passing judgment is more like tribal initialization. Part of becoming one of the group.

I know you sir. Your e-mail says it all.

Anyway, I've been working on that AGI idea I had a while back. I've added a few things to it that help it work. I thought that instead of setting my sights on the human mind, I'd work with something much less complex. An insect. The funny thing is that there are certain operators that stay the same in an insect. I'm beginning to wonder if it's a requirement to live on earth, to have the same basic operational rules for interaction with reality.

I thought I'd show it to this group of people, for I have not the drive to do it all on my own. I know that I have the ability, I just cannot remain focused. That and AGI is needed in our world, in our time. I'm just going to spew out what I know and let other people take it from there.

Really, they thought you were an ENFj? That's hilarious. I suppose that anyone who gets too creative must be using some sort of feeling function. After all, if it's not pure logic, if it's not pure emotion, it must be emotion.

I realize that my ideas are far reaching, however, it never gets through to my head that most people will not understand me. In groups, I will say something and someone else will feel the need to translate for me, as if it weren't obvious.

Anyway, nice to hear from you, I guess we are making the same rounds. It wasn't the first time that I ran into you again, you seem to stick out like a sore thumb, sir.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I think probably are ILI, i'd say overall i'm reasonably sure of that.

Only think is though is that i've noticed you giving conflicting information more than once now..one i just noticed here is you said you've been into this stuff for three years, but then in an earlier post you said you didn't know much about it and were just starting out. You know the other stuff as well. It just makes me think about what information can be taken at face value. However, on that sort of thing. i could speculate, maybe I don't understand your motivation(s) yet, i'm just making some observations, you'll find your feet and all that.

Also..Khamelion is amazing. But then why do I state the obvious?

[Lord Java the 3rd]

I think maybe ILI, only think is though is that i've noticed you giving conflicting information more than once now..one i just noticed here is you said you've been into this stuff for three years, but then in an earlier post you said you didn't know much about it and were just starting out. You know the other stuff as well. It just makes me think about what information can be taken at face value. However, maybe I don't understand your motivation(s) yet, i'm just making some observations, you'll find your feet and all that.

Also..Khamelion is amazing. But then why do I state the obvious?

Socionics is new to me, MBTI is not. They use the same functions, and the functions I have been into for quite a while.

I'm starting to wonder about you Cyclops, I've seen some of your posts at Socionics.com and have to say, you're quite the intelligent person. You like to pretend to fall back on logic, but really, you have a weak mind, unable understand what people say, your arguments prove that much.

You're logical when ever someone says something you don't understand. You cut yourself off and either don't try to understand, or are unable to understand. I'm thinking it's the latter.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Socionics is new to me, MBTI is not. They use the same functions, and the functions I have been into for quite a while.

I'm starting to wonder about you Cyclops, I've seen some of your posts at Socionics.com and have to say, you're quite the intelligent person. You like to pretend to fall back on logic, but really, you have a weak mind, unable understand what people say, your arguments prove that much.

You're logical when ever someone says something you don't understand. You cut yourself off and either don't try to understand, or are unable to understand. I'm thinking it's the latter.

Sure. Maybe your right, because I've no idea wtf your talking about.

I've posted under a few names at socionics.com-certainly at the q&a section, infact i am often 'anonymous' I've noticed about you is that you underestimate other people intelligence, much to the point were people can see through your attempts at trying to be condescending towards people. I'll be honest and say I don't like your attitude, and I sense in you that you will attempt to be slippery with your words.

[Lord Java the 3rd]

Sure. Maybe your right, because I've no idea wtf your talking about.

I've posted under a few names at socionics.com-certainly at the q&a section, infact i am often 'anonymous' I've noticed about you is that you underestimate other people intelligence, much to the point were people can see through your attempts at trying to be condescending towards people. I'll be honest and say I don't like your attitude, and I sense in you that you will attempt to be slippery with your words.

Slippery? I said what I meant, how was that slippery?

My attitude? Ever since I started posting on this forum, you've been hounding me. You made a public statement saying that I'm a lier, what's to be upset about? And I know you don't understand, you are too busy defending something inside of you to reach out and try to understand. I'm not your enemy, stop posting negative comments at me.

I'm getting the impression that for you, 'logic' is a means for defending a nest. And that all people need to be made aware of your nest and how not do disturb it.

[Elro]

Socionics is new to me, MBTI is not. They use the same functions, and the functions I have been into for quite a while.

But the functions are defined differently.

[Lord Java the 3rd]

But the functions are defined differently.

Picky, aren't you. None the less, I'm familiar with the system, despite any superficial changes. You might argue, but I've seen no leaps. The things that are different is the inter type relations, the descriptions, well you know*more to the point, I don't*. Anyway, it's pretty much the same, I'm not a moron, so why did you say what you did?

[crazedrat]

Hi. Thanks for the comment, I strongly feel your sentiments. Sadly, this community possesses this strange ability to change my Te into Fe. I don't know how they do it, but I think they know what they are doing, so I'm going to pass the authority on to them.

I wouldn't call them idiots, just incorrect. Passing judgment is more like tribal initialization. Part of becoming one of the group.

I know you sir. Your e-mail says it all.

Anyway, I've been working on that AGI idea I had a while back. I've added a few things to it that help it work. I thought that instead of setting my sights on the human mind, I'd work with something much less complex. An insect. The funny thing is that there are certain operators that stay the same in an insect. I'm beginning to wonder if it's a requirement to live on earth, to have the same basic operational rules for interaction with reality.

I thought I'd show it to this group of people, for I have not the drive to do it all on my own. I know that I have the ability, I just cannot remain focused. That and AGI is needed in our world, in our time. I'm just going to spew out what I know and let other people take it from there.

Really, they thought you were an ENFj? That's hilarious. I suppose that anyone who gets too creative must be using some sort of feeling function. After all, if it's not pure logic, if it's not pure emotion, it must be emotion.

I realize that my ideas are far reaching, however, it never gets through to my head that most people will not understand me. In groups, I will say something and someone else will feel the need to translate for me, as if it weren't obvious.

Anyway, nice to hear from you, I guess we are making the same rounds. It wasn't the first time that I ran into you again, you seem to stick out like a sore thumb, sir.

;l ;P ;L ;0 ;D ;| ...
You may be more interesting in posting in the articles section.. thats where most of my big insights came from. there's a guy named tcaud in there who actually knows what he's talking about.. he's probably the only other one on here.
i'm still working on that computer program i told you about earlier

[Joy]