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D-SEI 9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
Be a bit objective here Phaedrus. The statements are only obviously false to you cause you're the only one who knows what's true and what isn't. We can't see things from an omnipotent point of view like you can. But we're sincere - you have to give us that. Show some mercy to us and help us understand. That's all we ask. HELP US UNDERSTAND.I tried to, but I ended up laughing. What can I say. I'm incorrigible.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
Phaedrus just post a link to a thread where you explain why SEIs can't be anything other than nines and then just go take a break from the forum and go do something fun or relaxing.
like 'bate some?
Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .
yeah right he's got hoez for that.
D-SEI 9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
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SEE or ESE
Gamma or Alpha??
Let me know what you think!
My wifey and better half is the SEI 16types member Bee.
What you don't seem to realize is that it's the exact same situation for all of us. Every time you claim that I am not objective, every time when you express a different opinion, you are also making a claim to be in possession of the (objective) truth. There are no "subjective" truths, because that is a contradiction in terms. You have a certain belief, and you believe that your belief is objectively true. There is no difference between me and you in that respect. If you disagree with me, you believe that you are right and I am wrong. This is trivial and really very simple.
We both see things from our own subjective perspective, and we both believe that our own point of view is objectively true and/or correct. That's why it's even possible for us to disagree. If you didn't believe that your view was right or true, no one would have any reason to listen to what you say, because then you would only be making meningless sounds or printing meaningless letters on your computer. Every time you say that I am wrong, you are making a statement that is objectively true or false. You insist on being right just as much as I do.Originally Posted by chopin
I am perfectly willing to help you to understand, but then you simply must stop believing that you are right. You must be willing to change your mind, you must be willing to seriously consider the possibility that you are objectively wrong about some things.Originally Posted by chopin
That is the opposite of taking these things seriously, and I hope that you are not so stuck on that attitude that you refuse to take reason.Originally Posted by chopin
Ok, I admit, it was me. I just wanted to glean more attention for him. LOVE HIM!!!
plskthnxbai
<3
Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .
On a serious note...if you guys really wanted me to explain why I'm a four I suppose I could.
Last edited by theMime.; 05-03-2008 at 05:54 PM.
I think it's quite clear that you're a four. And 4 is not uncommon for ISFp's.
4w3-5w6-8w7
I don't think I've ever come across an IEI who was a 6 or 9.Originally Posted by esper
and Nick, you don't seem like an ESFj.
4w3-5w6-8w7
yeah, I don't think it's impossible - just improbableOriginally Posted by "themime.
4w3-5w6-8w7
why is that?Originally Posted by Ezra
What the hell am I then?
Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .
If you think yourself to be right, and think that everyone else who presents their opinion thinks that they’re right, then it must occur to you that there is a possibility that you may in fact be the one who’s wrong, regardless of how right you think you are.You should take your own advice. It frequently occurs to me that I’m wrong. In fact, it’s harder for me to take a firm stance on something than the other way around, because I naturally see possibilities more than I do errors. Often, I act the devil’s advocate so as to force the other person to elaborate as to why they think what they do. Because that’s of paramount importance to me – knowing why. Otherwise, what’s the information worth? How do I know it to be true? It would be just like chinese whispers - passing information on from one person to another mindlessly without stopping to check whether it's even intelligible. I like to know what the mental processes are behind your theories so I can make up my own mind as to whether it makes sense or not. You may think that’s arrogant – I think that’s common intelligence.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
she has, but she decided to switch to SEI cuz it "fit better'.
D-SEI 9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
Of course. That is logically implied in what I said. It's logically possible that I am wrong, and it is logically possible that you are wrong -- but if we contradict each other, only one of us can be right. I believe that I am right and that you are wrong, whereas you believe that I am wrong and that you are right. As I said, there is no difference between us in that respect.
Yes, and it is also a function of how much knowledge you have.Originally Posted by chopin
If you want to know why I think the way I do, a better method is to ask specific questions (preferably questions that can be answered with a simple "yes" or "no" in order to keep a straight focus on an exactly demarcated problem). If you are acting the devil's advocate, there's a slight risk that I will not take you seriously or even loose some of my respect for your intelligence.Originally Posted by chopin
By deep and long study, by seeking lots and lots of information and critically examining it. By using your intellect.Originally Posted by chopin
It is also a sign of intellectual laziness. You don't seek knowledge for yourself. You are uncritical toward your own beliefs. You don't critically examine the evidence. You are primarily a believer, not a knowledge seeker.Originally Posted by chopin
Well - then it baffles me how you can come out with such black and white statements as "You are a liar" if there is the possibility that you could be wrong. Wouldn't you feel like a jackass if you found that to be the case?
Your 'simple' yeses and nos drive me crazy!Lol. That's a risk I'm willing to take.
Sometimes there's a shorter way of going about things that achieves just as good results.
Yeah - you're probably right.I am critical of my own beliefs. I don't accept things for the sake of it - I question everything I hear. It may take me a while to get around to studying up on something, but until then - my stance remains ambiguous. And I'm not going to critically examine everything that happens across my path. I have better things to do with my time.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
Some of my beliefs represent knowledge, and that's the case here.
They shouldn't. It means that you are not capable of thinking exactly and correctly. Your mind is muddled by illogical thinking processes and irrational feelings.Originally Posted by chopin
Maybe. But such a route does not exist for you. Your intellectual laziness and limited capacity for correct logical thinking prevent you from knowing the truth.Originally Posted by chopin
You're proving my point.Originally Posted by chopin
What does that even mean? "They shouldn't." The fact is they do!! Haven't you learned anything from your extensive study of socionics? If you don't apply it in your life, what good is it? Your 'knowledge' is simple rotting in your head if you do nothing with it. You are so arrogant! Tell me why I should modify my reactions to suit you when you don't make the slightest effort to do so yourself! Do you possess the ultimate personality type? You should create a new model with yourself in the centre and a list of all the other types' deficiencies and what steps these types can take to reach your level of perfection.You WISH you could feel the way I can. I bow to your intellectual superiority.
You and your points can take a flying leap into nothingness for all I care.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
It means exactly what I said. The fact that they drive you crazy is a proof that you are unable to think logically correct, which was also what I said. You should not think they way you do, because it is an inferior way of thinking (which also happens to be type related, but that is another matter), and yet you do think that way. Okay, so what? Maybe it's not your fault that you cannot think any other way, maybe it's just a fact of nature, but your way of thinking is objectively inferior anyway.
I certainly do apply it to my life.Originally Posted by chopin
So what? The fact that I might be perceived as arrogant doesn't change the fact that my statements are true.Originally Posted by chopin
If you believe that this has something to do with me, you are wrong. You should modify your reactions to suit yourself, because otherwise you will remain ignorant. If that's what you want, then maybe you won't have any reason to change your attitude, but quite frankly I can see much of a virtue in being ignorant.Originally Posted by chopin
There is no ultimate personality type. Every type is good at some things and bad at others. I am bad at getting practical things done, I am bad at showing tact and diplomacy, I am bad at small talk, I am bad at planning, etc. But my type is generally better than your type at abstract conceptual thinking, analyzing theories, spotting logical errors, knowing the facts, predicting the future, being objective, etc.Originally Posted by chopin
Certainly not.Originally Posted by chopin
Proving my point again.Originally Posted by chopin
Phaedrus is an LIE (Locked Into Eternalstruggle)
I wish you were ILE.
Then i'd be like "You'd be a very Ne thing to do."
D-SEI 9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
Phaedrus everything you've said is moot unless you give reasons as to why an SEI can't be a 4. Otherwise it just looks like you're blindly believing something with no evidence.