Off-the-wall ISTj looking to expell me from school

[mikemex]

@tcaudilllg:

Once my father, a LII like you, gave me a book of Lin Yutang. I don't remember the title of the book, but it was a brilliant exposition of humility. He said, among other things, that as impressive as intelligence may be, it doesn't necessarily make you a better person. He preferred a reasonable person over a rational one.

I've read a lot of your posts and I have no doubt that you're quite intelligent. But maybe you're overestimating your own intelligence and assuming that you can judge everything and everyone and always be right about it. From time to time think that you might be wrong, no matter if you understand you error or not. And that the mistakes we don't understand are the ones which affect us the most.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Yes but you see they think they have to educate us INTjs in all of these other ways. I'm not sure if this is hypocritical or not, because I'm sure non-INTjs look at -Ti/-Te roots of scientific analysis as something kind of magical or even arbitrary....

As for what happens next, my first priority is wrapping up the rest of my classes. I've got three papers to finish by the end of the week. I've got a disciplinary board hearing (a kind of jury trial) on Saturday, during which well, what more can I do but state my case? I'm not the type to take the offense, but it's my instinct to retaliate if treated unfairly. (does calling someone arrogant amount to aggressive retaliation?) The real problem lies with the institution, which admittedly is one of the more conservative public institutes in the country. On the other hand, just the blemish of being suspended on a charge carries with it problems. I've been thinking that given my superb understanding of U.S. History, I can just CLEP my way through that class and avoid having to retake it. In the meantime though, I need to get that class dropped somehow or another. I've got an 'A' in World History, so that's definitely in my favor.

I sincerely hope that the instructor in question talks as much at the hearing as possible. Every single word she says is a vote in my favor.

I am disadvantaged in that I don't have the resources to hire a lawyer who could seriously tear her up, though.

In the end, the real loser is the idea of institutional equity in academia. If I get suspended for this, then it's pretty well proven that there is a kind of selection process going on to "vet" up-and-coming leaders in the sciences. This will do harm to the idea that anyone with the will to learn can accomplish their dreams in the eyes of many progressives.

I wonder if Ohio progressives should all just pack up and head back to Antioch.

For the record, I have decided on trying out a tactic of activating the transcendent function to deliberate and then to deactivate it when actually phrasing the assertion. Using the transcendent function heightens your instincts and makes you seem more... how to say, jerky. (if you've ever took on a stance where you were just totally determined and ready to respond to anything that came at you, that's the transcendent function at work: it mobilizes your entire subconscious against whatever threatens you. To put it in perspective, without the transcendent function I'm a klutz; with it, I'm much more focused and can usually catch anything thrown at me without even thinking about it, taking up just the right position to intercept it). This seems to me disingenuous, nor do I think it'll go unrecognized for long, but we'll see what happens....

I thought about various things I could say, but bottom line is your clever guy..if it don't work out..as one door closes another door opens (things such as the occasionial academia never stopped Einstein, eg.) hey, if you want my indepth advice (if you think it may be of benefit) drop me a pm

@tcaudilllg:

Once my father, a LII like you, gave me a book of Lin Yutang. I don't remember the title of the book, but it was a brilliant exposition of humility. He said, among other things, that as impressive as intelligence may be, it doesn't necessarily make you a better person. He preferred a reasonable person over a rational one.

I've read a lot of your posts and I have no doubt that you're quite intelligent. But maybe you're overestimating your own intelligence and assuming that you can judge everything and everyone and always be right about it. From time to time think that you might be wrong, no matter if you understand you error or not. And that the mistakes we don't understand are the ones which affect us the most.

This sounds reasonable. Perhaps worth a read? (have you read it already?)

[tcaudilllg]

Any reason proposed by mikemex is probably well beyond my comprehension.

I've come to perceive that whatever happens Saturday, I have may have a much larger problem to deal with besides. One of the reasons I tried to stand up to this professor is because this would have been the third class in a row that I'd failed or just barely passed (with a D-) due to the demands of the professors that I think like them. ("critical thinking", as I discussed in another thread). These classes have brought down my GPA to something like a C-; it would probably be a B- otherwise. Adding an F to what looks to be a something around a C+ average this semester will probably lower it to a D.... That threatens my financial aid. I may or may not have failed had I not confronted her (perhaps she would have had "mercy" as the other two did and given me a D-), but again that's hardly better.

If anything, these grades prevent me from competing seriously for scholarships. But, I guess that's what the system is tailor-made to do, to make things as tough on people with controversial ideas as possible.

Or maybe... actually wait, I think I get it now. The system expects that I should "ask around" about professors before taking their classes? Seems a little biased towards extroverts.

[mikemex]

Want it simple? Stop thinking like a robot.

[tcaudilllg]

Want it simple? Stop thinking like a robot.

Please, stop thinking altogether.

To those of you who still disagree with me about how I acted, considering the following scenario should help you walk a mile in my shoes, so to speak. Imagine signing up for an important class, only to realize that Phaedrus is the instructor. It is too late to drop the class, and you must now write a paper for him about the differences between MBTI and socionics.

Need I say more?

[Mariano Rajoy]

Please, stop thinking altogether.

To those of you who still disagree with me about how I acted, considering the following scenario should help you walk a mile in my shoes, so to speak. Imagine signing up for an important class, only to realize that Phaedrus is the instructor. It is too late to drop the class, and you must now write a paper for him about the differences between MBTI and socionics.

Need I say more?

Tcaudillg, you need to learn the art of sacrasm and irony. Keep it very subtle though. In this way, it becomes easy to give the instructor what they want. Be sure to use 'feigned stupidity' and say it with a smile too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_(military)

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Well, whatevers been the cause of it, I hope you get it fixed, or something else in it's place.

[UDP]

Please, stop thinking altogether.

To those of you who still disagree with me about how I acted, considering the following scenario should help you walk a mile in my shoes, so to speak. Imagine signing up for an important class, only to realize that Phaedrus is the instructor. It is too late to drop the class, and you must now write a paper for him about the differences between MBTI and socionics.

Need I say more?

Every class is about finding out how to give the teacher what they want. It doesn't matter who the teacher is.

[Creepy-bg]

Any reason proposed by mikemex is probably well beyond my comprehension.

I've come to perceive that whatever happens Saturday, I have may have a much larger problem to deal with besides. One of the reasons I tried to stand up to this professor is because this would have been the third class in a row that I'd failed or just barely passed (with a D-) due to the demands of the professors that I think like them. ("critical thinking", as I discussed in another thread). These classes have brought down my GPA to something like a C-; it would probably be a B- otherwise. Adding an F to what looks to be a something around a C+ average this semester will probably lower it to a D.... That threatens my financial aid. I may or may not have failed had I not confronted her (perhaps she would have had "mercy" as the other two did and given me a D-), but again that's hardly better.

If anything, these grades prevent me from competing seriously for scholarships. But, I guess that's what the system is tailor-made to do, to make things as tough on people with controversial ideas as possible.

Or maybe... actually wait, I think I get it now. The system expects that I should "ask around" about professors before taking their classes? Seems a little biased towards extroverts.

As usual, I'm hesitant to respond to you because of our history, but I really do think there are some things you need to hear for your own good. How you can have this history and blame the institutions instead of yourself if beyond me. Perhaps it's because you're intelligent and think, "No way can I be failing! It must be the teachers!" but I mean, come on... the only constant here is an arguementative student who refuses to accept the rules of how things work in the world. Unless you want to waste that intelligence of yours being a bitter fuck working in wal-mart for the rest of your life (or something worse) it's time to learn how to play the game. Nobody says that you have to live the game, just learn it enough to stop failing classes over personality clashes. I'd much rather provide sympathy here, but I truly think it's brutal honesty you need. sorry.

[Brilliand]

2nd transcendent function?

Sorry, I looked it up since you mentioned it, and it struck me as related to your current situation. Are you trying to deliberately control the development of your 2nd transcendental function to gain an advantage? Or were you referring to the first, or perhaps something else entirely?

[iAnnAu]

As usual, I'm hesitant to respond to you because of our history, but I really do think there are some things you need to hear for your own good. How you can have this history and blame the institutions instead of yourself if beyond me. Perhaps it's because you're intelligent and think, "No way can I be failing! It must be the teachers!" but I mean, come on... the only constant here is an arguementative student who refuses to accept the rules of how things work in the world. Unless you want to waste that intelligence of yours being a bitter fuck working in wal-mart for the rest of your life (or something worse) it's time to learn how to play the game. Nobody says that you have to live the game, just learn it enough to stop failing classes over personality clashes. I'd much rather provide sympathy here, but I truly think it's brutal honesty you need. sorry.

Tcaud, I think this sounds like very good advice.
I had a class my first semester of college where I KNEW I should have an A - as in, I did every bit of work, and saw all my grades, and my average was well above 90. But do you know what final grade my prof submitted?
D.
Unfortunately, he kept all the copies of my homework, labs and tests, so I had nothing with which to prove my case. I spoke to every person in the administration I could get to, and could get nowhere. I have some suspicions about why the prof did what he did, but when I finally went to him and plead my case, he was extremely evasive and finally sent me away with the infuriatingly unsatisfying explanation that every single other member of my class had failed, so he couldn't give me too much better a grade.
This is the ONLY example of curving grades DOWN I have ever heard.
The main reason I got blocked from challenging the grade is because my prof also happened to be the head of the department, and it took the approval of the head of the department to get a hearing. Too bad for me.
I bitched and whined to many of my fellow students, and pretty much got in response, "Yeah, well, welcome to college."
I withdrew at the end of the semester (which was my first). Luckily, I had some pretty marketable skills, so I just lived in the working world and learned what life handed me as well as what I taught myself (libraries and the world wide internet).
I have since tried to go back to college twice, and each time, even though I've aced all my classes, I get thoroughly discouraged by all the bullshit. After this third time, I think I'm not going back again.
You DON'T need a college degree to get ahead in life. If you need a degree to go into a field for which you feel a passion, then you need to temper that passion with the awareness that you DO need to play the game to get the degree.
Please notice that I'm not telling you that you're wrong in your current situation.
But I am telling you that in your current situation, being righteous is shooting you in the foot.