Regardless of whether there is fear or not, there are still consequences. Reality is not emotional like you and I. If I were you, I would first put this into perspective and then deal with it more logically.Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
Regardless of whether there is fear or not, there are still consequences. Reality is not emotional like you and I. If I were you, I would first put this into perspective and then deal with it more logically.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
Look to your own PoLR. It isn't fair for you to mistreat herany more than it was for her to mistreat your
. So consider where your common ground is (
) and work from there. That professor isn't in charge of the university... work within the system.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
tcaud, i'm glad you're being suspended. you don't belong anywhere near academia.
I had a hearing today, in which I was summarily suspended. I had previously had a dispute with a smart-alec financial aid advisor, which was taken into account also.... I had deliberately toned down my approach since then (the dispute was resolved), and had thought I was safe in my chosen approach (no gestures this time); far be it from me to suspect that universities gave their teachers nigh dictatorial power over their teaching and assessment. The instructor, who had uncanny aptitude for remembering the sequence of events as they happened... (nevermind, I think she wrote them down after I left) said about as much about my "unkempt" physical appearance (I was sporting a light beard and long, curly hair at the time) and my habit of coming in late to class (but attending!) as she did about the encounter. Clearly she wanted to portray me in as negative a light as possible; particularly, she tried to paint me as "weird" and "disturbing".
What's interesting about the judgement, is that I was cited on a very vague charge: other physical or mental harm.
What is that? A clause after the handbook entry suggests that it is a means by which the university can impunge people who have been accused of sexual assault/molestation but were later cleared of the charges: that's right, the institution is so extreme that it does not even respect the findings of its own investigative processes as a basis for justice! But more to the point, this charge is one of those "the administration looks out for its own/we don't know how to really deal with this so we're going to just suspend you and be done with it rather it is just or not" kinds of procedual ambiguity. This ambiguity is intolerable and I demand justice.
Good news everyone! Extremist practice in academia is something supersocion theory allows us to directly comprehend and confront. I don't figure I've anything to lose by asking difficult questions at the hearing... I'll absolutely question the wisdom of allowing fringe instructors to insult by the tip of their grading pen those beacons of tomorrow they disagree with, something that can be demonstrated as artificially lowering grade averages for those students who are unlucky enough to be stuck having them. By any degree of logic, the personal opinion of an instructor of a student should NEVER be a factor of their grade: demonstrated understanding of knowledge should itself be the exclusive criterion. With an accurate model of the dynamic underlying extremism in hand (function oppression), we can finally argue for rules mandating that teachers who have a history of conflict with their students only grade their students by standardized testing. Measures should be implemented to make the reporting of conflict-prone teachers as stress-free as possible. Grades will rise and university communities will become more wholesome. The extremists will think it unfair, but they hate themselves anyway so why lose sleep over it? Sucks to be them, but we didn't write the genome and it would suck a lot more for the majority to leave them be!
People of all political stripes -- conservative, progressive, liberal, communitarian, traditionalists (the paleo-political types as defined in political science), . Finally the individualist revolutionary is free from the fanatical zealotry of the traditionalist stalwart; the liberal is free from the close-mindedness of the conservative fringe; the conservative is free to attest to their beliefs in the face of the liberal radical; and the traditionist who upholds time tested standards of activity is free to prove their academic metal in the face of the rebel-without-a-cause, whatever the campus and whatever the institution. These concerns may not be of particular concern to a majority of college students, many of which devote themselves to an unprofessional, arguably time-wasting enterprise of getting inside their professor's heads; but to a small minority of particularly outspoken -- and moreover, creative -- individuals, they are imperative; for it is these same creative people who feel they are responsible for seeing to it that given the opportunity, their fellows need not embark on useless endevor.
Of late top employers have said they look more carefully at 'B' students who took time out from their studies to hone their insight than they do 'A' students who gave every last energy to meet their educational institution's highest standards, whatever that meant. (and I caution, the meaning of such is again, getting inside the professors' heads). The question arises, why aren't the 'B' students 'A' students also? The answer lies with the extremists and their arbitrary tyranny. Cast down the extremists, and America's GPAs will rise.
The linchpin to the argument that extremists can be depended on to oppress certain types (the confli. In fact, much of the argument has its root in extremism: ESFp-INTj relations, for example, can be quite tame if there is mutual respect and consideration between the partners. (and that is indeed possible) However, when either of the partners is an extremist the relation invariably earns its "conflict" name.
ISTj-INTj relations are comparative, sure... but there is more to these relations than meets the eye. INTj and ISTj share functions of shadow archetype, which lends itself to projections of the worst nature. -Ti always feels threatened by +Ti just as +Ti is threatened by -Ti. In as much as INTj and ISTj would seek to defend their suggestive functions, -Ti is on guard against +Fi on behalf of -Fe, even as +Ti disdains -Fe for +Fi. Again, when there is mutual respect between the two these hostilities can be mitigated, but when either side feels the victory of its antithesis in imminent, the relationship will regress into negative projection as the ego uses whatever it feels it has at its disposal to fight off the aggressor. (real or imagined)
It doesn't matter how you analyze this tcau
You fucked up
You got suspended
You did something wrong
Just accept it. It's not socionics' fault, its your own
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
It doesn't fit in the system?
Well, good luck mate.
Maybe you can fit direct accountability into your system someday.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
it's the way you talk tcaud... you're too political and theoretical to not be seen as a threat by normal God fearing Uhhhmericans. try to just smile and nod more. not every interaction demands the exposure of raw truth.
Yup. Smiling and nodding can get you pretty far actually. No really.
IEI-Fe 4w3
this is America, it can make you president.
"I'd rather have a beer with GWB" - that is why people voted for him.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Yah I think it's something along these lines too, academia these days is a stupid institutionalized circle jerk, the wisdom of the elders, so to speak, is fading as they die off, leaving the Baby Boomers in control of everything. Baby boomers are basically the most socially irresponsible, selfish, greedy, lazy generation this earth has ever seen. If the economy crashes and all their savings disappear it will be fucking hilarious.
INFp-Ni
Direct accountability to what?
Did I mention that this instructor is a woman? The previous arguement problem I had was with a woman, also.
I'm seeing a kind of silent double-standardizing in effect here, that is running below the radar of conscious reason. If I confronted a man like such, I would have been told, "disagree with me if you like. You can drop the class if you prefer." I highly suspect that the reason the instructor reported me is because she was a woman who felt victimized by a man.
If women can't stand the heat... then we should respect that openly and consider that in our rulemaking, to whatever effect comes of that. Barring what for men is a natural means of assessing another's position in situations of conflict just so that women can feel more at ease, is a step too far. They want equality, then they'll have to settle for the same.
I also warn you UDP: in your youth and ignorance of the transcendent experience, you are projecting. You aren't being fair to me at all.
equal =/= same
I don't agree that carrying on and insulting people is the "man" way to do it.
Then on a cultural level that distinction must be made clear. Feminists at least argue for both and treat them as equivalent.
And I would argue that "equal pay" for women does equate to "same pay". Do stop and consider your Te here, hmm?
What on earth is that supposed to prove?
Do you ever stop rationalizing things?I'm seeing a kind of silent double-standardizing in effect here, that is running below the radar of conscious reason. If I confronted a man like such, I would have been told, "disagree with me if you like. You can drop the class if you prefer." I highly suspect that the reason the instructor reported me is because she was a woman who felt victimized by a man.
If women can't stand the heat... then we should respect that openly and consider that in our rulemaking, to whatever effect comes of that. Barring what for men is a natural means of assessing another's position in situations of conflict just so that women can feel more at ease, is a step too far. They want equality, then they'll have to settle for the same.
So now it is not only a socionics matter, but a Male Female issue.
Come on now.
What are you going to say next, she is a lesbian?
She is from a different religious or ethnic background from you?
She doesn't like people with your hair color?
Well I'm glad I missed whatever experience that was. You trying to hold yourself as above my remarks, based on your knowledge of socionics? You keep squirming...I also warn you UDP: in your youth and ignorance of the transcendent experience, you are projecting. You aren't being fair to me at all.
I don't see how this has anything to do with being fair. I'm telling you (apparently) things you are not seeing, I'm not passing judgment on you.
So let me ask you a question,
do you, personally, have ANY fault what so ever in this situation?
If so, what is it?
Or is this all because that person is another type, and another gender - and thus the conflict is what it is. Is she just out to get you, and you have done nothing wrong nor had any part in this. IS that what it is?
I'll try to be fair, so tell me what you think.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
If I have any fault at all in this, it is that I didn't plan my next step before initiating the encounter. I remember thinking afterward, "well I would like to get this resolved... but I'm not sure that I left her any real window to do so". I certainly wasn't able to cognize any rationale under which I could apologize, because I felt convicted in my actions. I had planned to approach her about a voluntary withdraw (which I needed her signature for) this weekend, but she had already gone on the offensive.
Another thing I observed in retrospect, is that she may have baited me in the encounter through calculating manipulation, perhaps surmising that presenting me with a negative -Ne happening -- the failure of my exam -- would bring out the worst in my character. (that's how +Fi-Ne superego works, after all). When people bait me like that, I do usually take it simply because I see such manipulations as evil. Need to work on it, no doubt....
It's a habit of extreme professors to try to... sabotage up-and-coming leaders they believe dangerous. And rest assured, a lot of people think typology-aware thinking is very dangerous. (I did talk to her about this a bit, to my chagrin). Especially ISTjs, who see the +Ne substance of typology as an imminent threat.
Sounds like you might like Wesleyan...
Seriously though, this does seem overly reactionary on Miami U's part. It sounds like this prof tried to paint you as a potential Virginia Tech... Good thing is though, if you want to continue on at Miami U., they only suspended and didn't expel you... Also, as I'm sure you know, there are plenty of universities that might be a better social fit (from an administrative stand-point, at the very least...) If you want to stay in Ohio, Oberlin might be one to check out, or even Earlham College.
Also, in response to what you wrote about tyranny and extremist practices, I'll just say that your view is idealistic, and noble in that way--that said, I believe you'll find (if you haven't already) that there's a critical mass of dicks and fools at most places, including at many companies and universities, even the "good" ones. Thus personal opinion, favoritism, (including: colleagues who 'got each otha's backs' to an unreasonable degree,) and other unjust mindsets/practices influence things that ideally, they shouldn't... It's the way of the world.
I wish you luck, tcaud, sincerely... Small consolation: I've found that life will often throw this kind of stuff at someone at times when it's most helpful for that person to evolve.
I'm open to evolving my personality, but before I can do that a case must be made as to why, and it can't be just "because that's the way it is". I never change on basis of reactions like UDP just had, because those aren't clear thinking. If it doesn't fit in the system, it doesn't stick.Sounds like you might like Wesleyan...
Seriously though, this does seem overly reactionary on Miami U's part. It sounds like this prof tried to paint you as a potential Virginia Tech... Good thing is though, if you want to continue on at Miami U., they only suspended and didn't expel you... Also, as I'm sure you know, there are plenty of universities that might be a better social fit (from an administrative stand-point, at the very least...) If you want to stay in Ohio, Oberlin might be one to check out, or even Earlham College.
Also, in response to what you wrote about tyranny and extremist practices, I'll just say that your view is idealistic, and noble in that way--that said, I believe you'll find (if you haven't already) that there's a critical mass of dicks and fools at most places, including at many companies and universities, even the "good" ones. Thus personal opinion, favoritism, (including: colleagues who 'got each otha's backs' to an unreasonable degree,) and other unjust mindsets/practices influence things that ideally, they shouldn't... It's the way of the world.
I wish you luck, tcaud, sincerely... Small consolation: I've found that life will often throw this kind of stuff at someone at times when it's most helpful for that person to evolve.
Thank you for your support.
Maybe your ISTj teacher feels the same.
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