Ni vs Ne

[strrrng]

I get really excited by possibilities. When someone introduces a new possibility in my life, I think, ohhhh we could do this or this or this or this! Or like, reading about the new military robot "Big Dog" gets me so excited about the future potential of science. I start thinking about all the wonderful possibilities this could lead us to. I love reading up on new developments in anything--technology, psychology, etc.

hmm...you're INFp? The way you described it doesn't necessarily point to Ni or Ne, but the bolded part seemed more Ne. What I find the difference between Ne and Ni to be, in this regard, is that Ni is constantly scanning possibilities and creating internal abstractions, which translates to vision. It comes down to whether they can implement it with their Se. Ne, on the other hand, is constantly scanning possibilities as external possibilities, creating an attitude of always seeking new developments. From that perspective, an Ne may act on the possibilities more frequently than, but not as significantly as, the Ni person who applies that vision ruthlessly every now and then.

[tcaudilllg]

hmm...you're INFp? The way you described it doesn't necessarily point to Ni or Ne, but the bolded part seemed more Ne. What I find the difference between Ne and Ni to be, in this regard, is that Ni is constantly scanning possibilities and creating internal abstractions, which translates to vision. It comes down to whether they can implement it with their Se. Ne, on the other hand, is constantly scanning possibilities as external possibilities, creating an attitude of always seeking new developments. From that perspective, an Ne may act on the possibilities more frequently than, but not as significantly as, the Ni person who applies that vision ruthlessly every now and then.

Well now by that token, wouldn't an Ne type choose Ni on basis of the harmony it offers between paths? "If I go this path, I'll end up in conflict with X, but if I go this other path, then X just might work with me." The reason collaboration is needed, is to dillute a given Se force, or so I would imagine.

If you go it alone, then you'll just clash against the force, and it might be too much for you to overcome. But if you go it together, then between you and your companions you can each do your part to twiddle that force away abrasion by abrasion; meanwhile, the infringing force must dillute its strength to confront the lot of you, a process that might well sap it of its advantage.

An example is an RPG battle against a boss. If you've got the resources then you can usually win out with a group against a one-hit wonder, because if you've got say, four people then you can devote two of them to recovery and one to hitting the boss. The boss hits one person with an overwhelming, killing strike once a round, only to see its victim revived by a team effort, plus HP loss due to the non-committed member. I used this selfsame technique in Final Fantasy II to score some unexpected upsets. (it was, in fact, the critical flaw in the game's battle strategy).

Alternately the boss can slam you with a big spell, but spread across multiple targets a lot of the impact is lost. Take FFVI's Atma Weapon, for example: against one person its Flare Star spell hits for a terminal 2500+ damage, but against a group it hits for 650+ per person.

I think we can refine this line of thought -- that by choosing a background function one can positively direct a foreground function in the direction of its dual -- a little farther...

[Cuddly McFluffles]

Oh, so both formulate possibilities, but the Ne tends to act on them more because the Ni has to activate their Se in order to act on it? That makes sense.

That doesn't sound right to me. We s are Se Role, so we'd be even worse at Se.

An example is an RPG battle against a boss. If you've got the resources then you can usually win out with a group against a one-hit wonder, because if you've got say, four people then you can devote two of them to recovery and one to hitting the boss. The boss hits one person with an overwhelming, killing strike once a round, only to see its victim revived by a team effort, plus HP loss due to the non-committed member. I used this selfsame technique in Final Fantasy II to score some unexpected upsets. (it was, in fact, the critical flaw in the game's battle strategy).

Alternately the boss can slam you with a big spell, but spread across multiple targets a lot of the impact is lost. Take FFVI's Atma Weapon, for example: against one person its Flare Star spell hits for a terminal 2500+ damage, but against a group it hits for 650+ per person.

You may have just certified yourself as a nerd. Still, I find that example absolutely hilarious - somehow. I can't define it.

[tcaudilllg]

You may have just certified yourself as a nerd. Still, I find that example absolutely hilarious - somehow. I can't define it.

Or I may not have. The judgement of Fe is meaningless.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

lol

*shrugs* I have an odd sense of humor. Even I can't describe it, because I don't fully understand it.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

No, I mean, I thought it was funny too. The "You may have just certified yourself as a nerd." part.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I found it funny to

Sometimes tho, it's cool to be a nerd, ie - it's hip to be square! .. And by square I mean ..

[strrrng]

I don't think I tend to analyze developments as static external possibilities that can be immediately acted apon, but rather as building blocks to something interesting that could happen, and then I try to envision how it could happen, loving to talk and theorize.

you are definitely Ni lol. Ni wants to develop that vision to perfection. what I've observed in myself is that I will formulate these possibilites based off of certain perceptions, as if I'm peeling away or adding on layers of something, but it typically remains as this idealistic plan that most of the time falls short. but when it does happen (and this is for any Ni person), it's a beautiful thing.

[aka-kitsune]

I think the worst thing Ni can do to you is make you so concerned about the possibilities that you are too preoccupied trying to figure out the 'perfect' organization of them to act. And sometimes you have to act decisively and quickly to make it work at all.

I *totally* have this problem.

Once I've identified something I want to do, I go out madly and energetically collecting all the essential elements, preparations, read up on it extensively, acquire, acquire, acquire... and then... don't actually attempt it. Or, make a half-hearted attempt, but can't make myself cough up the self-discipline to stick to it. wtf? I'm really good at preparing and anticipating, but very poor at actual application. =(

It seems like I fear taking the risk to DO something, lest it fall short of my vision. Or, I haven't the patience and perseverence to build up the skill required. This kind of thing normally occurs in regard to something like an artistic project. I can't tell you how many novel hobbies I've sprinted into, just to drift away from them when encountering frustration of less-than ideal outcomes.

[Blaze]

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Originally Posted by esper
I think the worst thing Ni can do to you is make you so concerned about the possibilities that you are too preoccupied trying to figure out the 'perfect' organization of them to act. And sometimes you have to act decisively and quickly to make it work at all.

I *totally* have this problem.

Once I've identified something I want to do, I go out madly and energetically collecting all the essential elements, preparations, read up on it extensively, acquire, acquire, acquire... and then... don't actually attempt it. Or, make a half-hearted attempt, but can't make myself cough up the self-discipline to stick to it. wtf? I'm really good at preparing and anticipating, but very poor at actual application. =(

It seems like I fear taking the risk to DO something, lest it fall short of my vision. Or, I haven't the patience and perseverence to build up the skill required. This kind of thing normally occurs in regard to something like an artistic project. I can't tell you how many novel hobbies I've sprinted into, just to drift away from them when encountering frustration of less-than ideal outcomes

i have this problem too at times. so what i do is write down the goal on a piece of paper and make a list of specific things i have to do to reach the goal, sort of like a check list. then i start doing the checklist. it works!