Try some POWERTHIRST. I love it.Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
Try some POWERTHIRST. I love it.
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that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.
LOL, hey bro, you made a great point. I was having a conversation about this the other day. As long as your basic needs are taken care of, your life isn't in danger, then there is NO reason why you should not be happy. However, realizing this, is another story.A lot of people seem to attribute internal needs to external, which looks to cause a long cycle of misery.
The important thing to realize is the state of mind you are in is always a choice.(chemical imbalance or otherwise being ignored here
& No one "should" be/do ANYTHING, although some will try to impose their own beliefs on you. I had the same mindset, and it made me feel horrible. You are who you are, don't attempt to be. Just be.
* There's no reason to hate anyone. All that is, is a projection of insecurities. Not to mention, you will attract people whose state of mind you're in. Would you want to surround yourself with people who hate others?
Instead of HATING those authoritative types, appreciate their strength of character, and inquire about it. Hey, you might learn a thing or two!
I've been in that exact same position. Sometimes, I STILL get into it, LOL. But, You ARE still that charming, GREAT person, REGARDLESS bro. We ALL are. Don't supress him with negativity, UNLEASH THE BEAST. HAVE FUN! YARR!!
Btw, thanks phaedrus, appreciate it.
Edit: Back to sQuare one? LOL.
MUCH appreciated, you guys rock!
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hey man, I don't think I've ever talked to you before--I only know you through your posts--but you're one of my favorite ppl here... I always look forward to reading what you say... I'm sure it might sound better coming from one of the ladies, but it seems to me that you're the shiz dude.
I agree with you about Oprah too. haha
You don't seem Delta (or ENFp) to me.I can see that as a possibility too. Mostly getting ESTP, I did get INFP once I believe, but that test didn't seem to be too good
Beta is a better bet.
Why? What are your arguments? I have seen a lot of claims for Beta NF but very few substantial arguments. Stop proclaiming that thePirate is more likely Beta NF than ENFp. Prove it. Or prove that ENFp is not likely.
Everything thePirate have said so far seems perfectly consistent with ENFp. Prove me wrong, if you can. If you don't try, you can't win.
Why don't you give substantial arguments for ENFj? Why do you ask for arguments from other people without giving any yourself?
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Bullets and Doves, my advice is to try and not be quite so judgemental
I have given them. Are you blind? The empiricial evidence CLEARLY suggests that thePirate is an irrational type. Don't you understand what that means? It means that it clearly suggests that thePirate is not an ENFj, because the ENFj is a rational type. Get it? Unless you can prove why the evidence for irrationality and thus P type of some sort is incorrect, we have no reason, I repeat NO reason to believe that thePirate is an ENFj.
No, it doesn't.
What that "means" to you may not be the same as what it means to others. Your insubstantial quasi-arguments don't make it "correct" either. And there is no reason whatsoever that I or Slacker Mom, or anyone else here should bother to "get" or accept as valid a conclusion that someone else has come to using their own bullshit reasoning and tries to impose it using arrogance, self-centeredness and groundless inflexibility. We can think for ourselves, thankyouverymuch.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
I'm seeing no hard proof from any of you, except maybe Expat.
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This is me and my dual being scientific together
He can do even better with the second post form thePirate, I can do too, but am too lazy to screw around with arranging the quotes and verbalizing my thoughts.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Yes, it does. Are you deliberately acting like a jerk to provoke a confrontation? Don't you know the differences between rational and irrational behaviour? Everything thePirate has said about his/her (what is the correct sex here?) behaviour indicates irrationality -- everything. Show me one single piece of evidence that would suggest rationality.
No, obviously you can't. You certainly need to read the basics of Socionics since you don't understand them. I have said nothing here that is not perfectly consistent with how the types are. If you don't get that, you are an idiot.
I haven't read any of this thread yet in regards to pirates type. I wonder what type he will get
Last edited by Cyclops; 03-29-2008 at 05:31 PM.
I love how Phaedrus never backs up his claims. I'd like to see some:
"Oh, he is good around people, suggests
Just something with some meat on it, unlike what Phaedrus is spewing.
D-SEI
This is me and my dual being scientific together
Do you really don't understand in what way my claims are backed up? Have you actually read the posts in this thread?I love how Phaedrus never backs up his claims. I'd like to see some:
"Oh, he is good around people, suggests
Just something with some meat on it, unlike what Phaedrus is spewing.
I've read the majority of them, yes.
They all read along the lines of "You have NO idea of what SOCIONICS really is! How dare you even suggest that Pirate is ENFj! He could never be ENFj. You know why? He's not rational, and you know why he's not rational? Because I said he wasn't. End of Story, we're done."
I don't know what's wrong with Phaedrus lately. He seems to enjoy jerkin' the gherkin here.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Yeah.He can do even better with the second post form thePirate, I can do too, but am too lazy to screw around with arranging the quotes and verbalizing my thoughts.
What is consistent is an obviouspreference (and for those who like Jung, please compare what thePirate is saying with how Jung described the states of mind of his Extroverted Feeling and Introverted Feeling types); plus a valuing of
in others and himself, and what I'd see as valuing
in others, too. I see a lot of focus on
, but there is also what could be called focus on
, but that is clearly a "life choice based on learning about it" rather than spontaneous inclination, which is to focus on the past/future.
IMO, this suggests Se seeking and valuing, note the use of "huge", "kickass", the generalization of experiences (lack of Si in describing them) etc.Oh man, there was this one park that had this KICKASS slide. It was huge! I loved it, it was like going down a mini rollercoaster. LOL. Swings/Sand fights are awesome too. Climbing the structures, and kicking back, talking in a beautiful place, enjoying the sight, rocks too. This ties in with the religion question earlier, It's really helped me appreciate the simple things in life.
The last sentence gives out Si PoLR or at least weak (and conscious) Si. So Se > Si overall.
Possible EJ temperament, dynamic>static, and an accent on Ni and its importance.Life is SHORT, so there's no point in just sitting around. At the same time, Reflection and thinking is SERIOUSLY important to improve your life, I'm DEEP into eastern philosophy/self improvement. I think there needs to be a balance of both. When Im with my friends, and we get into those deep conversations.
Fe coupled with Ni, possibly in the ego.The ideas behind it take me more to an internal place to get strength, rather than external, and it has really shown me that happiness/now is all there is. Also, it's gotten me to a point where I really do want to bring out the best in people, make people feel great!
Possibly Se valuing.LOL, the friends I have, I really do consider them brothers, family. What do I enjoy about them? To cut it short, their values(determination, being true to themselves, etc) their strength of character, and the fun/great vibe we have.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
^See that is what I have never seen from Phaedrus^ gj park.
D-SEI
This is me and my dual being scientific together
A typical example of the kind of mumbo jumbo analysis that is so popular on this forum. You simply cannot draw such far-fetched conclusions with any reliability based on such thin empirical evidence. What the quote indicates is expressiveness and thus probably extraversion, if we assume that the language used is typical of the person's behaviour overall. It just might also suggest F-ness, but that is more questionable. Anything beyond that is highly speculative.
Mumbo jumbo analysis again. Extraversion is corroborated, and to be "DEEP into eastern philosophy/self improvement" is generally an indication of intuition. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.
No. What it indicates is likely NF type.
Ridiculous. Totally unfounded conclusion.
Why would it sound better coming from the ladies? You do know my orientation don't ya? Nudge nudge...I'm sure it might sound better coming from one of the ladies, but it seems to me that you're the shiz dude.
I agree that there's not enough context there for Se seeking or Se valueing to be drawn. It could mean anything. What would you say is a better way to spot Se seeking or Se valueing?
Could also be Si related?Mumbo jumbo analysis again. Extraversion is corroborated, and to be "DEEP into eastern philosophy/self improvement" is generally an indication of intuition. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.
How so? If you've said already, can you elaborate in shorthand please?No. What it indicates is likely NF type.
Not totally unfounded, but not conclusive by any means. I would say its a train of thought though, well I think thats the intention, which could be correct or incorrect?Ridiculous. Totally unfounded conclusion.
Instead of analyzing my analysis, why don't you write your own, retard.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
You sound like Phaedrus. And if you can't handle ciriticism of your own analysis, why dig at others?... You are not the only person who can ask questions. Basically your analysis is shit and you would be better writing no analysis like I did, fuck head.
Pheadrus' reply is way shittier than my analysis. And at least I tried, moron.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
I can handle it, alright. But I can't be bothered to respond in a manner he doesn't deserve..
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Good for you, don't take it personally, less of the insults and you won't be insulted back. Phaedrus is better than you in that he does take and handles flack all the time ... knob features.
To have access to more information.
It could be just about anything. Why try to determine a function when there is too little information in the first place? This kind of typing method is what makes Socionics look like astrology. The big mistake people make over and over again here is interpreting things without enough reliable data. They are just using a technique because it can be done, it can be fun, and it makes them feel competent. But it is not a reliable scientific method. It's very similar to telling somebody's fortune by the cards.
It's actually more a likely conclusion based on the previous indications plus "it's gotten me to a point where I really do want to bring out the best in people, make people feel great!", which together points towards attitudes, interests, and motivations that are most typical of the club of NF Humanists, which is the same group as David Keirsey's group of NF Idealists. You can read about both on the Internet.
Okay, I agree with that.
An observation I made about him:
I don't even read Phaed's posts. I just can't. I try to focus on his writing but my brain just naturally fades out. I can't listen or....anything. It's just blank to me. They just come out way too boring for me. When Expat or Herzy or Dolphin or Bionic Goat or Gilly says something they make me automatically listen no matter what.
Okay let me kinda backtrack. I am not saying he's weak.... or that I only pay attention to things that are oomph-y since I don't really consider most of those posters that way. Just that I don't think the fella expresses himself very well online and maybe you guys should take that into consideration before ganging up on him. Sure he can take flack but I only come back to hear about how sucky Phaederus is. (his name is hard to spell I know that much so I won't even try)
You think I do?
Yeah, that's definitely something to compete for, I agree.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Well, I was conducting a constructive view of the analysis, so that we could (all) learn better .. this is still a socionic discussion site, last I checked. It was a logical discussion I was engaging in.
Why you would want to call me a moron for doing this is anyones guess, so yeah that does seem personal, so I responded on your level,.. but that's part of the issue of saying anything on this forum in general, which one begins to eventually wonder thats about.
(or a retard was it..for having an intelligent debate..whatever)
This is not necessarily inconsistent with either EIE or IEE, but if we compare these two types it clearly points more towards IEE. Whereas the EIE's focus is primarily on expressing his own feelings, on acting, or even manipulating others through a superior control in the sphere of emotions, the IEE is a type that is in his element when he can use his
Which is not surprising since it rather typical IEE behaviour. IEEs are at their best as generators of ideas, and they are naturally drawn to new perspectives, new theories, and new abstract ideas in a lot of different areas of human knowledge, though they have a natural bent towards psychology, New Age, philosophy, religion, etc.
And the talk about
An EIE giveaway, you say? Hardly. It is too general to suggest a specific type, but it is certainly no less an indication of IEE than EIE.
And an IEE wouldn't be? Ridiculous.
Consider also this. IEEs are typically positive, emotional, and spontaneous in their interactions with others, and thePirate describes himself as sometimes "impulsive", as "definitely more go with the flow", as "disorganized", and as a "very spontaneous" person who "dislike routines" and is "laid back". He also says that "life is about happiness, having FUN".
All of that is exactly what we would expect of an IEE Enneatype 7, and it is a very strong indication of irrationality. Compare it with the behaviour the EIE, who is "somewhat inflexible to change and therefore find it difficult to adapt in new societies" and "can also show excessive formality during interaction" (Gulenko/Ganin), and who "prefers there to be structure/order in his work" (Filatova).
Even if it would be true, it is certainly not a strong indication of
Are you reading the posts in a reverse order or something? You called me "fuck head" first, duh? I responded to you, not the other way around.
I was just using machintruc's language, to add humor to my sentence... I thought this was sort of obvious...
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Yes I am, I am reading them in the exact correct order. I had a discussion with Phaedrus over your analysis, to which you directly called me a retard.
It was not. Why should it be? Taken into account with your post, the phrase related to your intent.
No, that sentence was aimed at Phaedrus, not you.
I didn't know you thought I was talking to you, which is why you surprised me by calling me a "fuck head" and thought you were defending Phaedrus or something...
Last edited by Park; 03-30-2008 at 02:18 AM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Well, taking into account that it was directed to Phaedrus, I didn't really care if it was obvious or not.
Last edited by Park; 03-30-2008 at 02:18 AM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
@Winterpark, without going round and round;
He analysed your analysis, to which I analyised, and he analysed back..
However as I hadn't posted my own analysis yet, and your comment was directed as someone who 'hadn't posted an analysis' and you hadn't said who your comment was directed at, and it was directly under my post ... so it looked like it was for me.
Perhaps its probably best overall if we moved away from insults and the like anyway, wether directed at anyone, Phaedrus or not.
Or let us not speak of the matter again then.
not really...
Well maybe I should have pointed out that it was directed at Phaedrus. Then this misunderstanding would have been avoided.
Sorry but which matter exactly are you referring to now?
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Perhaps you guys can criticize my recent critique of Expat's analysis?
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