Phaedrus as an IEI

[Slacker]

I still think LSI is a possibility.

I agree. I read the following from him and it felt like fingernails grating against my brain:

The only seemingly strong argument for the claim that Clint Eastwood might be an INTj is V.I. He exhibits some similarities in look with David Carradine, who is indisputably an INTj. But what happens if we compare their behaviours? Do they give the same impression? Do they "feel" the same to us?

Compare David Carradine in Kill Bill 2, where his character is also clearly an INTj, with Clint Eastwood in any film you like. I am inclined to say that they are probably not the same type, which, if true, means that Clint Eastwood can't be an INTj, because David Carradine is an INTj.

What the hell is that? I can't follow that logic. I read that like two dozen times and I still couldn't follow that logic. In the way that I can't follow Ti logic.

Add to that his constant use of Se (certainly anti-Ne anyway) language like "Must be", "definitely", "I am 100% sure it is totally false", "cannot be disputed -- ever", "are not like that. Period." (in all bold letters, of course). It's like having nails hammered through my skull to read that kind of thing. Especially when following some supposedly logical argument like the above! ARGH !!!!!!!!

If he's an INFp, he's the only INFp I've known who DOES THAT AWFUL STUFF!

[Creepy-bg]

let's not turn this into another Phaedrus thread......

oh wait... nevermind

[Hitta]

Its funny that when multiple people fit the profiles of what I say an INTj and ENTp suppose to be, and people still think I'm full of shit.

[Joy]

Its funny that when multiple people fit the profiles of what I say an INTj and ENTp suppose to be, and people still think I'm full of shit.

Really? Multiple people fit the profiles of what I say a lampshade and a stool are supposed to be, and people still think I'm full of shit.

[Elro]

Really? Multiple people fit the profiles of what I say a lampshade and a stool are supposed to be, and people still think I'm full of shit.

Joy, are you drunk again?

[Joy]

Nah, I'm five days sober.

[Logos]

Its funny that when multiple people fit the profiles of what I say an INTj and ENTp suppose to be, and people still think I'm full of shit.

If I think that a walrus fits the profile of a zebra, that does not make the walrus a zebra. So for a self-proclaimed zebra, your sense of logic at times is as wacky as a walrus.

[Joy]

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-hominem.html

This is a fun list. Reminds me of some of the interactions that used to be much more common here.

[Logos]

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-hominem.html

This is a fun list. Reminds me of some of the interactions that used to be much more common here.

Used to be?

[Joy]

Used to be much more common...

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I dunno what his type is. It seems to me he wants to be ILI, and in order to convince himself and others, it's like he's read through just about every type description and decided to act that way. The result to me, well the best way to put it is an ILI caricature. No one is 100% fit to a type description. People of same types are similar, and i've been suprised how I think similarly to people of my own type, but people of the same type are not identicals to a type description on the internet, personality comes into play.

Phaedrus just tries to hard to be an ILI, wether he is one or not.

[Phaedrus]

I dunno what his type is. It seems to me he wants to be ILI

Actually, I would prefer to be some other type. Can you make it happen?

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Actually, I would prefer to be some other type. Can you make it happen?

Thats reasonably interesting. Why?

[Phaedrus]

Thats reasonably interesting. Why?

Who wants to be like this person?

He is a natural sceptic who points out every contradiction and every imperfection he can find in the world. He is not in balance, and he doesn't know how to control his mood. He is often unpleasant and grunting, a person whose emotions affect others.

He is also a person whose pedantry and perfectionism make it difficult for him to bring what he has started to an end. He tends to hesitate, and he dislikes new endeavours. He does not like to hurry, is a lazybone. He is distrustful of people. He can be stubborn if he is convinced that he is right about the facts. He dislikes compliments and prefers to talk about weaknesses. He is difficult to persuade or pressure to do something.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Who wants to be like this person?

He is a natural sceptic who points out every contradiction and every imperfection he can find in the world. He is not in balance, and he doesn't know how to control his mood. He is often unpleasant and grunting, a person whose emotions affect others.

He is also a person whose pedantry and perfectionism make it difficult for him to bring what he has started to an end. He tends to hesitate, and he dislikes new endeavours. He does not like to hurry, is a lazybone. He is distrustful of people. He can be stubborn if he is convinced that he is right about the facts. He dislikes compliments and prefers to talk about weaknesses. He is difficult to persuade or pressure to do something.

Phaedrus, if you don't want to be that way, change. Some of that is type related, some of it is personality related.

Have to learn to become happy with your functions (whatever they are) use your tools in a different re-inforcing loop, you know?

[Phaedrus]

you? but the description does seem to be very ILI imo.

But does it sound fun to be such a person? I don't think so.

[Expat]

He's just believing what he wants to believe. The way he insists is more type related than what he insists, I think. I see no hint of an IP temperament in him. I think he's a rational type. Ti > Te, Se > Si.

Right.

What the hell is that? I can't follow that logic. I read that like two dozen times and I still couldn't follow that logic. In the way that I can't follow Ti logic.

Add to that his constant use of Se (certainly anti-Ne anyway) language like "Must be", "definitely", "I am 100% sure it is totally false", "cannot be disputed -- ever", "are not like that. Period." (in all bold letters, of course). It's like having nails hammered through my skull to read that kind of thing. Especially when following some supposedly logical argument like the above! ARGH !!!!!!!!

If he's an INFp, he's the only INFp I've known who DOES THAT AWFUL STUFF!

Yeah I know, but the thing is, while you and Rick are sensitive to his focus on Se and Ti, quite a few logical types (Ti and Te) tend to see an unnatural use of Te and Ti, and I doubt that the Se ego types see that much Se, either.

Well at least it's clear that Slacker Mom doesn't see a nice relationship of Illusion