He is probably the most well known INTj. He is incredibly individualist and creative. Most Russian Socionists type him as INTj as well just to reinforce this.
He is probably the most well known INTj. He is incredibly individualist and creative. Most Russian Socionists type him as INTj as well just to reinforce this.
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Who? At least two Russian sources - Lytov and the authors of socionics.org - type Eastwood as ISTj.
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Also, he's not only AN INTj, but he's also THE prototypical INTj?
Carla, Logos, thehotelambush -- you've failed as INTjs.
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Besides, most Russians have never heard of Clint Eastwood; make that 100% Russians I asked. Both of them.
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But, now seriously --
So now hitta has provided one clear example of someone famous whom he sees clearly as of a type, that is, Clint Eastwood as INTj.
ETA: of course, it should be very obvious to everyone that Clint Eastwood and hitta are identicals. (jk)
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Originally Posted by implied
It's difficult to ascertain Hitta's type. He's always coming across so aggressively. It's like he's intentionally trying to wind people up, which if anything doesn't strike me as INTj. If anything it seems like a more ethical type response to be bothered to continually try to create emotive responses like he does. Maybe it's also power related thing because he want's to be the big 'I am' in socionics.
If anything Eastwood strikes me as what many could see as an ISTp. His apparent emotionial control on and off screen, somewhat reserved, and always paid keen attention to his bodily needs. I mean he's in his 70's now and he still runs about 7 miles most days. He certainly likes to exercise his physical aspect. Of course INTj's could do this, but not to Eastwoods extent. I would imagine if he was INTj he would not exercise as much, and certainly not enjoy it the way Eastwood, or an Si type would.
Links please. This is an interesting subject to discuss.
Well, at least one thing is clear. Eastwood is not an ISTj. INTj is actually a more likely type if he is not an ISTp as Ganin suggests. Eastwood seems to have HA, and IP temperament, and his world outlook is inconsistent with ISTj. Besides, he does not V.I. as ISTj.Originally Posted by Expat
I've heard people say he's ISTj and I've heard people say he's ISTp. I've never heard anyone until today claim INTj for him.
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An interview
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JTCdNaq8rj0
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Originally Posted by implied
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UDVzK8IthCs
An early one
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But I still want to know who these Russian Socionists that type Eastwood as an INTj are? I am not necessarily doubting, but such a truth-claim should not be made without being able to provide support.
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None at all. Forget about the MBTT or Keirsey profiles and focus only on the Socionics IEI type descriptions. If you read them, you will see for yourself that my claim is correct.
Quadra values are not behaviorial traits. You cannot deduce anything about an IEI's behaviour from the fact that that type is a member of the Beta quadra. People tend to forget that fact a little too often on this forum. If you want to learn more about the IEI's behaviour and attitudes, you should focus more on the Club of Humanists instead of the Beta quadra. But most of all, you should of course focus on IEI type profiles and the behaviour of real life IEIs.Originally Posted by ifmd95
That would be a great turn of events, especially taken into consideration that Vilnius is not technically in Russia.
Ah, but it was once. Or almost. At least in spirit. Of CCCP. Or something. One has to be knswledgable* about it.
* according to Leopard dictionary, this is a word. Tiger disagrees: another reason not to upgrade.
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Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
And Hitta is blatantly INTj, and goes about developing these structures in exactly the way that INTjs do (mind you overly so in his case - not all INTjs are as locked into certain structures as he is).
Great point. Clint Eastwood does seem quite delta (especially in the values he portrays) and ISTp actually seems to fit quite well. He has that sort of repressed emotional look/grumpiness that ISTps have. INTjs aren't as "grumpy" as he is, and he seems Delta>Beta to me. I don't see any Fe with him, in fact more of an aversion to it.
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Well, I wouldn't say he was blatantly INTj. A blatant INTj on a forum, to me, would be Logos, or Ganin. In terms of RL INTj's, i've never encountered one such as he. He may still be INTj of course, but it's certainly not blatant, at least not to people you see who have commented as such on this particular thread.
I haven't seen any structure develop by him on this thread, maybe time will tell, but if recent ones are anything to go by then please pardon me for being pessimistic.
Neither Logos or Ganin are INTjs probably. Alpha thinkers are overly aggressive, as are all types with a -Se valued function(especially in the agenda functions). INTjs are extremely rebellious. Its what they do. They are the political conspirators of the world. They can be sarcastic at times, and aren't very good at small talk at all. Once you get them talking though, they are friendly. INTjs hate rules to an infinite degree. They want to be totally free from regulation.
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On another note, Ganin is probably ESTj, and I'm not sure about Logos, hes possibly an Alpha thinker but I have my doubhts just by his persona, though there are some things that hes said that made me second guess that ideology. I'd like to have a conversation with him.
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One of the most common traits about Alphas is their need to be individualistic and original. Alphas tend to be very forgiving and very open-minded to all things.
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