I think he's likely an LSI as well. There's a thread over at Socionics.ws where I discussed my reasons. Another thing that points to it is that he primary works with Betas and Gammas (at least from my observation)
I think he's likely an LSI as well. There's a thread over at Socionics.ws where I discussed my reasons. Another thing that points to it is that he primary works with Betas and Gammas (at least from my observation)
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ISTp beyond the faintest shimmer of doubt.
A case similar to that of Kevin Costner, who is also ISTp and mistaken for INTj at times.
To write that Eastwood is Si leading "beyond a shimmer of a doubt" leads me to believe that the post's author needs to look into the differences between Se and Si, and how those manifest in people... (You may be paying too much attention to temperaments.)
I haven't seen enough interviews w/ Eastwood to comment definitively on his type... From what I've seen, Se is exhibited very prominently--and Ti, it seems, as well... My professor, Jeanine Basinger, is a good friend of Clint's and she is beta.
I'm not sure about Kevin Costner's type, and can't speak to whether he's the same type as Eastwood
Here's an old interview with him:
For comparison, this is a video that features Si and Te valuers:
Last edited by JuJu; 11-28-2009 at 05:13 PM.
all si and te are boring ass farmers and mechanics and te si are boring office managers. i guess i just understand now
He might be INTj, but the characters he is famous for playing are ISTj. The archetype he's famous for embodying is ISTj. Totally ISTj. Whether or not he's ISTj as well is up for grabs.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
They're both called INTj a lot and probably aren't that type. The statement about Costner was probably a little overconfident. I could see him being something altogether different from ISTp. The impression I had of him was mostly based on his appearance in Waterworld and Dancing with Wolves in both of which he displays a kind of social aversion that is unlike that of INTjs and ISTjs.
Clint Eastwood's conversation style is about as un-INTj as can be. INTjs speak in very short, issuing statements. They respond to questions in a very direct way and always keep a two way dialogue going. They are not the kind of people that hold narratives on a single topic for long times on end.
Sean Connery is a good example of what an IxTj talks like:
Short, to-the-point statements, a kind of subdued charisma. But the most important thing is that they always make socially relevant comments and don't demand a suspension of disinterest on the part of their audience.
Phil McGraw, same story:
By the way, Kevin Costner definitely resembles Eastwood more than he resembles those two.
re: tuturutu's and polikujm's posts above: LOL
re: labcoat's last post and 'what an ISTj looks like.'
I wanted to point out that there are ISTjs whose "looks" much more resemble Eastwoods, than the above two who are more socially extroverted examples of the ISTj type.
The following ISTjs have very different demeanors/gazes than the two examples you posted... They don't always hold true to the characterization of "short, to-the-point statements..." Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say that ISTjs always speak with "socially relevent comments" and "don't demand a suspension of disinterest..." Literally speaking, I don't think that's accurate.
Clive Owen Ti-ISTj:
Kendrick Perkins Ti-ISTj:
Michael Jordan Ti-ISTj:
Yoko Ono Ti-ISTj:
<3 my duals
There are some silly typings around here. I've never heard anyone try to type him as anything but SLI or LSI, and he seems pretty clearly to me to be LSI. There are a lot of people confused about LSIs and SLIs so at least it makes sense that people are seeing him as that. I don't know what else to say about the idea of him being LII.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I agree, they both over glorify to the point that it makes me sick. I don't know how they both have been put in Beta, but they are clearly Delta. I saw Clint Eastwood on tv the other night and he doesn't value or from what I can see. They both need to be put in with all the other annoying Deltas
EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962
I'm amazed that anyone can see Clint Eastwood as Si/Ne valuing. Can you really imagine this man enjoying being around a bunch of Infantiles/'s?
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i think i'm with the istp crowd here. he seems sensing but not forceful. he seems comfortable and engaged, keeping the balance, yet somewhat detached and cool. he's getting along pretty well with lopez in the vid that morcheeba posted. have we typed lopez?
*edit* i just read the whole thread. he could be LSI. he seems more laid back though, not so much of a immovable mountain. but if george lopez is an enfj i spose it could make sense.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Many things about Eastwood remind me of my SLI-Te roommate. That whole thing with the leaf blower is exactly the kind of irreverence that made me like him at first There's this sense of comical disregard for social norms and expectations, but they are also prone to not know when they are taking things too far.
He's very laid back and casual; not at all controlled or rigid like an LSI. LSIs can be casual, sure, but Eastwood almost blithely disregards any kind of formality or attempt at self-presentation; he's just there, being a hilariously cantankerous old prick wherever he is.
Eastwood maintains this "everyman" kind of attitude, as per driving himself, despite being one of the most lauded American movie stars of all time; classic Delta. A lot of his characters seem like LSIs, especially the guy in Grand Torino, but I think he is SLI.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
He chuckles nonchalantly all the time. Watch some interviews. He's very cordial and laid back.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
A year or so ago, you would've laughed at someone who just parroted Ashton's VI gallery typings like you're doing now...
Why did your understanding of Socionics devolve?
(Was it just b/c Nick moved near you and Ashton's VI galleries? Did you never understand Socionics to begin with..?)
One doesn't need to be too smart to understand Socionics--currently, one just needs to be able to see through some bullshit, posted by people who aren't very smart, and don't know better.
Your understanding of Socionics is caught up in that bullshit now... To be able to see Se isn't that hard. It's not that subtle, to use a word that is messing you and a few other people up.
Ok... so here is my list of people that actually knows what they are talking about in regards to Socionics and what the information elements actually look like:
Blaze
Labcoat
Crazedrat
Gilly
String
And then there are the ones who pretend they know and give out useless information; they are the ones that post a lot around here; I won't give out any names
EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962
I read that The Bridges of Madison County (which I personally hated but whatever) is his personal favorite thing he's done. He loved the book and had to make a movie based on it. Typing the movie might help with settling between LSI and SLI.
I am not a Clint Eastwood fan so I'll admit to not being an expert. My husband likes him, at least his western stuff.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
whoops - doublepost
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I agree about Marie84. Why the crap are you so good at Socionics? You're like niffweed, and you should be banned.
He is rigid in the sense of being FE polr; if you have FE in your ego block, you can tell which people will be receptive and who will turn a blind eye to it.
I know because my mother is sli and she does not respond well to at all and is constantly looking for from me; hence my inability to stand her for more than 10 mins. at a time.
EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962
I don't really know for sure but when I read the title of the thread, I immediately thought ISTp. He just seems too laid back to be ISTj somehow. But I'm no Clint Eastwood expert and maybe I'm thinking of one of his characters or something and not the actor.
IEI-Fe 4w3
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Here's a good comparison of what I believe to be an actual SLI actor who was famous around the same time as Eastwood, Steve McQueen.
Compare to the videos of Eastwood, who is more calm and rigid, has a rather monotonous PoLR Ne behavior. McQueen's behavior is much more go-with-the flow Si dominant, he can't stay still like Eastwood does
Think of how this behavior would complement an IEE compared to Eastwood
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The video just proved how much he really is SLI; not that it matters though, who cares? I'm pretty sure life will go on either way; I could give a shit about these silly celebrities anyways.
EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962
steve mcqueen also looks to be SLI, Si subtype. that doesn't mean clint isn't an SLI. there are lots of differences between people of the same type.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
It's less about celebritism and more about people who're in the "known" and thus can be used as an example of types.
Like, someone can say "I know this ESE, he's such an ESE!" but that means nothing unless I have observed this persons behavior.
With a politician/entertainer, etc, someone can say "So and so is such an ESE!" and people can actually observe that for themselves via video, interviews, etc
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