i read the first two sections of this thread and wow i didn't know hitta was crazy.
hitta: i think etc etc etc.
anybody else: well...
hitta: HEY. fuck you!
weird!
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From looking at his interviews, and on what he says and others have said about him, I'd guess ISTj too. As far as his movies are concerned (ie those in which he had creative control), as far as I know them, I think it's a mixed bag. Moreover, as Eastwood himself acknowledges, at least his westerns (like Pale Rider) were heavily influenced by his westerns with Sergio Leone, and I would argue that his characters there were ISTp, so that may be one reason.
However, I can't make a strong case, here, for ISTj>ISTp; it's not as if I know that much about him as a person.
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Originally Posted by implied
The only seemingly strong argument for the claim that Clint Eastwood might be an INTj is V.I. He exhibits some similarities in look with David Carradine, who is indisputably an INTj. But what happens if we compare their behaviours? Do they give the same impression? Do they "feel" the same to us?
Compare David Carradine in Kill Bill 2, where his character is also clearly an INTj, with Clint Eastwood in any film you like. I am inclined to say that they are probably not the same type, which, if true, means that Clint Eastwood can't be an INTj, because David Carradine is an INTj.
I checked that Russian site again ( http://ru.laser.ru/ ) and discovered two absurd mistypings: Bill Clinton and Michael Jackson are put in the ENTj gallery. Such a mistake is unforgivable and unexplainable. A complete idiot must have made that typing.
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That's very interesting, thank you.
One problem with those galleries is that a lot of those people are Russians who, I confess, I have no idea who they are.
But among the people I do know, there is not only Clint Eastwood as LII, but Lenin and Michael Jackson as LIE, and -- Boris Yeltsin as ESI. Nikita Khrushschev as SLE, Arnold Schwarzenegger as SLE, Charles de Gaulle as EIE, Vladimir Putin as EIE, and -- Mariah Carey as LIE.
While I think that a case can be made for some of those typings, some - in particular Mariah Carey as LIE - seem to me to be just ridiculous. Since they mostly agree with the "iconic" figures such as Zhukov as SLE, etc, I have to assume that it's not that they represent an alternative view of socionics, but rather that they suck at typing famous people.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Same with Ashton.
The only way to find out who is better at typing famous people is for each person to make a case for the type they proclaim. So if they can come up with a case for why Mariah Carey is an LIE better than you can come up with a case for her being another type, they win out, and vice versa.
I disagree with that. I see the socioniX crowd as having an essentially flawed view of socionics.
I don't think that would demonstrate who's "better at typing famous people"; I think that would demonstrate (1) the differences in socionics concepts and (2) the differences in the degree of knowledge of the person being typed.
Anyway, I will make one case here: Mariah Carey is very demanding about having in her rooms, etc, things of specific colours, the presence of kittens (not even her own kittens, so I understood), and other stuff like that; at least that's what I happened to read in an interview in yesterday's Sunday Telegraph. That's a very high focus on .
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Those two websites are actually one and the same - the link right at the bottom of the laser page points to the second link, which is apparently 'the new version' of the gallery\website.
MBTI INTP is Introverted Thinking and Extraverted Intuition
Socionics INTJ is Introverted Thinking and Extraverted Intuition
I'm not sure whats to argue.
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Can we discuss why or whynot Clint is an INTj instead of worrying about whether the socionists agree with it?
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perhaps, but you both let your frustrations turn into something less than appropriate. As for Clint Eastwood: I also think ISTj, he is too confrontational and aggressive about his ideology, whereas an INTj would be more involved with their ideology and researching and developing it. But ido not know a whole lot.
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Because if you are a political conspirator, your are not openly aggressive. You act behind the scene. You are like a snake, hiding in the bush. Ernst Kretschmer has written a very illuminating description of Robespierre's personality. Unfortunately I only have it in Swedish. Maybe I could try to translate it, but it would take some time.
but what if he is?! just what if he is? you cannot ever prove his type. you may argue endlessly, and even i've presented an argument, but there will never be proof of his type. Anyway, i wanted to tell you this so next time you think about cursing other people and looking foolish on the internet you think about the situation and how little emotion is necessary.
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Alphas are aggressive. Have you ever met an ESFj or ISFp, they basically are moving out of their skin. They have this idea that they are super busy and they are really really aggressive. They have explosive bursts of emotions when someone does something that aggravates them like leave the house messy or something. They are really take charge. INTjs and ENTps are overly rebellious. I'd imagine that there are a lot of INTjs and ENTps in punk and alternative bands that are overly rebellious. I think Billie Joe Armstrong is an ENTp from Green Day. Dave Grohl is probably ENTp. There are a lot of actor ENTps and probably INTjs. I'm telling you, you have the wrong picture of INTjs and INTps.
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that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.
He simply can't be. Don't you see that he can't? Is there anything, anything at all, that suggests that he is an ISTj -- except the obvious fact that he is an IT type?
ISTjs are different. I hate to use words like "aura" and such bullshit, but I know what ISTjs are like, I can intuitively sense the difference, and the ISTj "aura" is not there. He does not V.I. as an ISTj, and he does not behave like an ISTj, he does not talk like an ISTj, and an ISTj would never do the kind of films he has made. Isn't that enough for you?
How do you know that? You are clearly prejudiced here. Some people's types are so obvious that they can not be disputed -- ever. Eastwood's type is not that obvious, but it would probably be possible to prove that he is not an ISTj. In any case you know for certain that he is an IT type, don't you? (Because a person who is unable to tell that much should not participate in these discussions.)Originally Posted by heath
Aggressive ISFps!? You are delusional. Totally mad. Are you on drugs?
This is not funny anymore. Don't you realize that? You seem to be totally trapped in the ridiculous idea that Mirror types are similar in behaviours. ISFp are completely the opposite of what you describe here in most situations. It only fits ESFjs to some extent. ISFps are not like that. Period.Originally Posted by hitta
Also, to note if you never have heard about ISFp mood swings you've never research ISFps.
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no, we ask for support and then you get all pissed. expat asked for an example and instead of giving one, you say 'I don't give a fuck if you agree with me'Originally Posted by hitta
well, that's why you have an avatar that says gay rights are civil rights...Originally Posted by hitta
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