Se and aggression

[Mea]

I'd think that Se ego types are good at handling this "aggression" instead of them being aggressive like you said.

And who said Se PoLR types don't get aggressive. They do, and they're bad at handling this aggression, weak Se.

[aka-kitsune]

I'd think that Se ego types are good at handling this "aggression" instead of them being aggressive like you said.

And who said Se PoLR types don't get aggressive. They do, and they're bad at handling this aggression, weak Se.

This sounds really spot on. I know I must definitely have weak .

Anytime I have gotten angry/aggro, it's channeled through a rather uncontrolled emotional expression, and I'm always *really* uncomfortable with it. I just don't know how to be firm without my emotions ultimately getting in the way to some extent.

I'd have to say I'm very averse to aggression in general.

[The Exception]

This sounds really spot on. I know I must definitely have weak .

Anytime I have gotten angry/aggro, it's channeled through a rather uncontrolled emotional expression, and I'm always *really* uncomfortable with it. I just don't know how to be firm without my emotions ultimately getting in the way to some extent.

I'd have to say I'm very averse to aggression in general.

Same here. Se is my PoLR.

[Mea]

2) My friend, Will, steals the cookies I just bought out of my backpack while I'm off talking to someone at another table. I come back, and see that they're not there (IE, something important is no longer present in the territory of the lunch table). I know that the only people at the table who would steal my cookies are Will or Dan. I first check Dan and his backpack, because he's somewhat fat and he always wants me to give him a piece of my cookie. The search of Dan's backpack comes up empty (it is no longer uncharted territory), so I immediately turn to Will. That motherfucker put the cookies into his backpack, so I grab back my cookies and steal a part of his lunch. Territory gained!

[marooned]

I would have to say yes, it is always necessary to be aggresive the times when I am.

Okay. I feel somewhat bad about my post in that I do think I was being biased.

[implied]

I'd think that Se ego types are good at handling this "aggression" instead of them being aggressive like you said.

And who said Se PoLR types don't get aggressive. They do, and they're bad at handling this aggression, weak Se.

yeah, or they overreact to aggression, thus becoming aggressive when it isn't called for.

[BLauritson]

And who said Se PoLR types don't get aggressive. They do, and they're bad at handling this aggression, weak Se.

One of the directors at work, whom I've typed INFj based on rather little information, seems to come across as quite forceful at times, but I get the feeling he's genuinely unaware that he's doing this. It's hard to explain what it's like exactly; it's one of those things you need to see to understand, but I do wonder if that's an example of Se PoLR.

[Mariano Rajoy]

I'd think that Se ego types are good at handling this "aggression" instead of them being aggressive like you said.

And who said Se PoLR types don't get aggressive. They do, and they're bad at handling this aggression, weak Se.

There is something amiss in how this thread is treating Se, PoLR Se, and aggression. I shouldn't be able to do my job if what you say about Se PoLR is true.

[Mea]

There is something amiss in how this thread is treating Se, PoLR Se, and aggression. I shouldn't be able to do my job if what you say about Se PoLR is true.

My dad is an LII. And he's in a managerial position, and still able to do his job. I don't understand what you mean.
But what I observe of him is that he's kinda passive aggressive. When someone steps on his head, sometimes he's pretty unsure what to do. Like he'll either say forget about it, or blow his top at the wrong time/situation/person. I have seen him do this to customers & workers, but when a customer service officer does not provide good service, he doesn't voice it out. Not all the time though. I'm no Se dominant, of course I may be wrong.
Herzy's description was pretty good, similar to what I've seen in Se dominants.

[Mariano Rajoy]

My dad is an LII. And he's in a managerial position, and still able to do his job. I don't understand what you mean.
But what I observe of him is that he's kinda passive aggressive. When someone steps on his head, sometimes he's pretty unsure what to do. Like he'll either say forget about it, or blow his top at the wrong time/situation/person. I have seen him do this to customers & workers, but when a customer service officer does not provide good service, he doesn't voice it out. Not all the time though. I'm no Se dominant, of course I may be wrong.
Herzy's description was pretty good, similar to what I've seen in Se dominants.

You don't see how being passive aggressive, unsure, letting things go, blowing up at the wrong time is unnacceptable for a bouncer? That shit will get me killed.

[Mea]

You don't see how being passive aggressive, unsure, letting things go, blowing up at the wrong time is unnacceptable for a bouncer? That shit will get me killed.

? why do you sound so defensive. -_-

[Mariano Rajoy]

? why do you sound so defensive. -_-

Imagining myself behaving as an Se PoLR is expected to would have unnacceptable consequences.



Underestimation, hesitation, and complacency get people hurt. If I suck at my job, there are immediate, observable consequenses.

[ataronchronon]

Yea, being the PoLR in an unfriendly environment is really stressful for me. It can seem like the only way I can get people to listen to me is by being really testy and eager to butt heads. I earn a very bad rep when I do this, but it gets things done. The other problem is that it can be hard to turn "off" this constant aggression and I can get into arguments with people who are just making jokes or trying to be nice. I think this is the source of a lot of my conflicts with ENTps. They're just joking around and I'm trying to get people to take me seriously, and I end up putting them down a lot. I would say I have more trouble recognizing a situation that justifies the use of aggression, rather than actually using it and that is what having weak is all about. It's not that I am a pushover, it's that I often don't realize when I am being pushed over.

I think that is where our bouncing friend is coming from. Being a bouncer, it would be easy to determine which situations require the use of force and which ones don't, once you figure out all the rules of engagement. If you get to the point where you can convert to , it's much easier. Not caring about the people you have to "take care of" would also make it a lot easier.

The most trouble I have is when it comes to defending my interests against friends. It's hard to honor , damage , and use all at the same time. I had a really good IEI friend that was a total mooch and I tolerated it for a long time until I just told him to fuck off and stopped talking to him for a while (we did get together again).