Ok, I am between Nine and Two as of now, as you say.
The 9 type description, first paragraph. I will bold what I disagree with:
Peace is nice, and I enjoy it. However, when someone attacks my morality system, I will attack them to the ends of the world or I realize that it is not worth it. Sometimes, peace won't cut it, and I consider it extremely weak to not have a backbone when people are infringing on your rights.People of this personality type essentially feel a need for peace and harmony. They tend to avoid conflict at all costs, whether it be internal or interpersonal.
I am very extroverted when I am around my friends and people I know. However, if I am in a new social environment, I clam up and am very quiet. I do not fear conflict. I do not enjoy at all, but it is a part of life.As the potential for conflict in life is virtually ubiquitous, the Nine's desire to avoid it generally results in some degree of withdrawal from life, and many Nines are, in fact, introverted.
Possibly me, but as i said, I do not fear conflict to that degree. I take life second by second, day by day, and roll with the punches.Other Nines lead more active, social lives, but nevertheless remain to some to degree "checked out," or not fully involved, as if to insulate themselves from threats to their peace of mind.
I am easy-going, reliable, self-effacing, and likable. But I make waves with my personal beliefs at times, which can sometimes lead to conflict, which I deal with to the best of my ability. To ignore conflict is to ignore life, which I cannot and will not do.Most Nines are fairly easy going; they adopt a strategy of "going with the flow." They are generally reliable, sturdy, self-effacing, tolerant and likable individuals.
What does this mean Phaedrus. I am self-effacing when I am around people who compliment me, but I know my self-worth on the inside.Nines, however, are self-effacing whereas Twos are quite aware of their own self worth.
And the two description is more like me. I love to teach and help people.
brb.
D-SEI 9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
Kamangir
1. Read this.
2. Job done.Originally Posted by R&H
I'm just going to edit Machintruc's list, primarily because I don't feel like thinking up users.
Rick : 9w1
Herzy : 7w8
Ezra : 8w6
Niffweed17 : 5w6
Joy : 8 or 3
Tcaud : 5w6
Bionicgoat : 9w8
FDG : 8w7
Expat : 8w9
Kristiina : 3w4(2?)
Liveandletlive : 7w6
UDP : 6w5(1w9)
Pheadrus : 5w4or6
Loki : 4w5
Rmcnew : 1w9
Discojoe : 6w5
Jessica129 : 6w5(Seems way, way too insecure to be a 7)
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
You could be 7w8 too. I've been up for longer than 24 hours, so...
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
Why? I admit, Machintruc has sewn the seeds of confusion... I went to some random enneagram websites... and read the 4 and 5 descriptions... and then I felt between them... and then I thought to myself, what in the hell is the difference between 4w5 and 5w4 anyway... aren't they practically the same thing.Originally Posted by MysticSonic
Of course in the past when I did this I identified with 4>5, but I don't know what descriptions I was reading at the time.
4w5 types tend to write more poetry than 5w4 types and are more likely to kill themselves. 5w4 types are more logical, and they might occasionally write poetry and plays, but they are more structured and like more Sciency things. If you are moody and depressive, you may be a 4w5, or a sad 5w4. Fours are also more retarted than Fives. I hope this helps!
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
you're rightOriginally Posted by Subterranean
Here's some more informatin to think about. First some sort of summary:
Then an "intertype" analysis:Twos and Nines might cross-type, although it is far more likely for Nines, especially those who identify with a nurturing role, to mistype as Twos, than for the reverse to occur. But Nines are self-effacing and humble; Twos are proud and have a strong sense of their self worth. Twos under stress become domineering; Nines under stress tend to withdraw. Twos are quite strong willed; Nines struggle with self-assertion.
Enneagram Type Two (the Helper) with
Enneagram Type Nine (the Peacemaker
What Each Type Brings to the Relationship
Enneagram Twos and Nines are similar in a wide variety of areas and reactions; both types are interested in nurturing others and in helping people to be better, more comfortable with themselves, and more at peace. Both types also tend to be optimistic and to reframe disappointments in the most positive way possible. This pairing has an outstanding warm, kindly, and good-natured quality about it that each side reinforces. Twos and Nines are easy-going, hospitable, and undemanding, happy to make friends happy and to welcome them into their home. Twos bring to the pair a more outward and interpersonally engaging energy: they would most likely be the first to introduce themselves at a party or to go to someone's aid and comfort if they perceived that the other person had some kind of problem. Twos are proud of their relationship, their home, their family and their friends—and they want to share them with others. Twos constantly add energy and new people to the relationship mix. They are more talkative than Nines and more openly curious about other people, how they live and what they are like, and more eager to get involved in others' lives.
On the other hand, Nines bring a quiet steadiness and uncomplicated directness that allows people to flourish and things to get done with a minimum of stress and conflict. Even if Twos become upset about their relationships, or are feeling moments of self-doubt about how loved they are, Nines have a way of calming them down and of providing a great deal of unquestioned acceptance. Both types are drawn to each other to provide soothing and support; their home and hearth, pets and love of nature are extremely important to them. Both go out of their way to be considerate of each other, as well as of other people. Much of their best communication is non-verbal, physical, arising from their simple, direct presence to each other. They can develop almost a psychic link with each other. This is a very mellow couple, whose emphasis on hospitality reminds people of how healing it is to be around loving, generous people.
Potential Trouble Spots or Issues
Both Twos and Nines tend to give away their power and to go along with the agendas of others. Yet, one of the parties will have to wear the pants in the family, taking charge and making decisions. Doing so goes against the grain of both types, although either will take charge if necessary. However, negotiating power and decision making in a Two/Nine couple puts both parties under increasing stress and both tend to feel that they are being forced into the bad guy role in the family—and that they will be resented and unloved while their partner gets off the hook.
Further, neither finds it easy to talk about their feelings or their growing discontent with the power balance in the relationship, or with any other sources of resentment and potential conflicts that they may have. Twos tend to actually take over too much, becoming domineering and controlling, not hesitating to boss the Nine around and to speak with surprising harshness to him or her. But because Twos can rationalize their motives and see themselves only as all loving, they can continue without feeling guilty or embarrassed.
Nines find it difficult to find their own voice and to speak up for themselves. But when the Nine actually does speak up, the Two often takes this as a lack of gratitude and tries to turn the Nine's comments around on them. Twos are not good at taking criticism, and when Nines find the courage to speak up, they may go overboard with a load of old resentments that have pilled up. The result is that Nines withdraw into silence and become passive-aggressive as a way of dealing with their anger, while Twos feel unappreciated, misunderstood, and rejected. Both try to keep everything quiet and normal on the surface, although they begin to deteriorate into longer silences with each other-and more distance, including less physical contact. An air of tension takes over, punctuated by angry outbursts and recriminations. The couple that seems so unassuming and supportive tends to end through attrition and drifting apart. Nobody wants to talk about what has really happened, no body wants to take responsibility for the deterioration of the relationship, and things eventually simply fall apart.
Under stress, I become very bitchy and blunt with people, like I'm in a ton of shit now, get out of my way, stop bothering me. I don't have time to be your friend and joke with you. But yes, I regret saying it afterwards.
In the intertype description, I agree with everything here.
(The E-type 2)They would most likely be the first to introduce themselves at a party(not always, but if I see an opening for communication, I go for it.) or to go to someone's aid and comfort if they perceived that the other person had some kind of problem. Twos are proud of their relationship, their home, their family and their friends—and they want to share them with others. Twos constantly add energy and new people to the relationship mix. They are more talkative than Nines and more openly curious about other people, how they live and what they are like, and more eager to get involved in others' lives.This is very true, I fold a little under pressure, but I still feel the need to defend my point of view.Nines find it difficult to find their own voice and to speak up for themselves.
nope. Not at all. I'm usually trying to attract attention to myself verbally.On the other hand, Nines bring a quiet steadiness and uncomplicated directness that allows people to flourish and things to get done with a minimum of stress and conflict.
Once more, I feel more e-type 2 still, but there are some things of E-type nine I am like.
D-SEI 9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
For those who care I've determined that I'm most likely a 6w7.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Eh? You meant 8w7, yeah?
Other than that, I agree. Except 8w7 for Fabio is laughable
You reckon she's insecure?(Seems way, way too insecure to be a 7)
I know, it's strange isn't it.
I smite thee, Te PoLR, to the dirt.
Yea, I had been up for a VERYYYY long time when I posted that. 7w8 does make more sense for him now, and yes, of course I meant 8w7. I pretty much stick by the rest of them though.
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
I've known lots of ILI's who were depressive, hostile, pushy and unmotivated.
They usually look like CP Sixes or depressed Fives.
Lots of ILI's are -+-.
For example, I suspect these people to be ILI -+- :
- Victor Talanov
- Grigory Reinin
- Sri Aurobindo
- Woody Allen
- Charles Darwin
- Vincent Van Gogh
ILI Fours are "critics", whereas ILI Fives are "observers"
No. It is a totally obvious, indisputable fact that I am an E5.
If your assumptions lead you to a false conclustion, then there must be something wrong with at least one of your asumptions. It is a fact that I am an E5, and therefore you must come to that conclusion. If you don't, you are obviously wrong.Originally Posted by machintruc
Currently thinking :
Rmcnew : 1
Bionicgoat : 2
Kristiina : 2
Cracka : 2
Herzy : 3
Joy : 3
Salawa : 3
UDP : 3
Niffweed17 : 4
Loki : 4
Chopin : 4
Tcaud : 5
Jessica129 : 5
Hitta : 5
Minde : 5
Expat : 6
Pheadrus : 6
Implied : 6
FDG : 7
Liveandletlive : 7
Discojoe : 8
Ezra : 8
Rick : 9
Almost all of them wrong, machintruc. Nice!
Why don't you explain why you believe those are the types?
Start with me, if you want to.
PS: 50 euros is on me being an E3 because I posted a picture of me with an award lol
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Psh if I am an E3 then I am absoulutely the worst E3 ever. Look how unadmired I am in this thread, the thread of the forum members you want to meet: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=18660 Aimicable and admired? Is that what I seek to be? Absolutely not.
Case closed.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I don't think Niffweed is a 4.
Possibly 5w4 tho.
I dunno. You'd have to ask him.
Niffweed is a 4, he is full of stryfe like us.
D-SEI 9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
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