I have absolutely no idea what mine is anymore
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What does the forum type me as?
Anyone?
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I thought it was established that you are LIE?
You seem to be similar to FDG in attitudes.
I think you are a much nicer guy than I am, less of a "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" guy, but I think your views are similarly reasonable to mine. I normally can't easily "see" LIE's, but I don't really see any strong indication of any other type. Maybe this is typing by default.
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I think I am probably 7, not sure of wings.
I don't think I am a 3 at all. 8 could work, but I've got less of a dominant attitude than they usually do.
I was just wondering what the impressions regarding my enneagram were, since I discuss socionics alot and I know where the forum stands there but I tend to avoid enneagram, so I thought it would be interesting to have some feedback.
I know @woofwoofl typed me as 8w9 once, I wonder what others have to say though. I relate more to 8w7 though than to 8w9, if I had to choose between the two, but 8w7 seems more aggressive than me. You for example are 8w7 and come off more intense...I think. So I think 7w8 could work, or even 7w6. 7w6 seems fairly common among female LIEs I have known for some reason, male LIEs seem more 7w8, 8w7, or 8w9. Of course that is by no means an absolute.
Fwiw my instinctual stacking is sp/sx I am pretty sure, so that could give the impression I am more "introverted" and less of a "full speed ahead" type guy when compared to you, since you are sx/so. Maybe we are both 8w7s, but since you are Sx first, you come off as being somewat more intense than I do. I can be pretty intense too, but not all the time, my Sp is clearly dominant and I tend to be something of a homebody as a result. This might be what gives woof the impression of an 8w9, since that is the quieter 8.
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I'm probably a poor choice for comparison. I know about a dozen LIE's, and I'm easily the craziest, most extroverted of the bunch. Not the most successful, though. Two other LIE's have me beat there, but that is because they are more measured and less impulsive.
FWIW, I also have noticeable e7 and e6 traits. According to this: https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-pri...enneagram-2/7/, LIE's can be most types except e9, e2, and e4.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Last edited by huiheiwufhawriuhg; 01-10-2019 at 03:22 PM.
@Hitta is a fucking spsx 7.. probably 794.where is he anyway?
persephone is maybe sx/sp 4w3 496/469
Last edited by maniac; 03-03-2019 at 02:48 AM.
Let's get the new batch squared away. All these new additions fall into the 369 Humanity/HopesAndDreams Triad.
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New Additions: Araz, fardraft, queentiger, karatos, kingslayer, dangerbird89, lord pixel, hamouchou, tpaduan, niko, xaiviay
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2w1 so/sp: Eliza Thomason
2w1 sx/so:
2w1 sx/sp: Sapphire
2w1 sp/so: Timmy, Jack Oliver Aaron/echidna (wss)
2w1 sp/sx: Maritsa
2w1 so/sx: Emmym
2w3 sx/so: N1cole
2w3 sx/sp: Mercer
2w3 so/sp: Yaaroslav
2w3 so/sx: Limitless
2w3 sp/so: VogueParis
2w3 sp/sx: Kim, Wacey
3w2 sx/so: Transkar
3w2 sx/sp:
3w2 sp/so: William
3w2 sp/sx:
3w2 so/sp: Reuben
3w2 so/sx: Ezra
3w4 sx/so: Darya, Gilly, QueenTiger
3w4 sx/sp: Starfall/Fox, Cuivienin
3w4 sp/so: Suedehead, Olimpia, Niko
3w4 sp/sx: UDP, Adam Strange
3w4 so/sp: Lucas, Xerx
3w4 so/sx: JMC, Forever , FarDraft
4w3 sx/so: BnD
4w3 sx/sp: Dolphin
4w3 sp/sx: Mactheknife
4w3 sp/so: Grain of Song
4w3 so/sp: LucyintheSky
4w3 so/sx: Silverchris, Summerprincess, Cassandra
4w5 sx/so: ian rust/rat1, Megane, Wasp
4w5 sx/sp: aivonaima
4w5 sp/so: golden, penny dreadful
4w5 sp/sx: newbornstar
4w5 so/sp: ammonius hermaie/quote unquote
4w5 so/sx: holon
5w4 sx/so: Scapegrace
5w4 so/sx: Kimuchi/Early Sunset/etc
5w4 sp/sx: Strrrng
5w4 so/sp: Marie
5w4 sp/so: Glam
5w4 sx/sp: Velvet, Vers
5w6 sx/so: Korpsey
5w6 sx/sp: Reactance
5w6 sp/so: Eyeseecold, Cpig, Unary
5w6 sp/sx: Krieger, Muddytextures
5w6 so/sp: Noki/Kopyk
5w6 so/sx: Aestrivex
6w5 so/sx: Finale, RME83, pmj, villageidiot
6w5 sx/so: Airman
6w5 sx/sp: Pookie, The Whole English, May, Maithilli, MisterNi
6w5 sp/sx: Lungs, Aixelsyd, Tenefix, Radio, Ouronis, Radio, Amber, Niffer , Number9Large
6w5 sp/so: Joy, Menssupermateriam, Soupman, Anndelise, Hacim
6w5 so/sp: InvisibleJim, PeteronFiree, LuchoisLurking, DJ Arendee
6w7 sx/so: JetCityWoman, Pinoline
6w7 sx/sp: Absurd
6w7 so/sx: Scarlettlux, Lim, Contra
6w7 sp/sx: Geneiouws, Nondescript, Dangerbird89
6w7 so/sp: Danali, Lapa , BurningIce, Owl, KingSlayer
6w7 sp/so: Jessica, ChrisCorey, Tela/Arachne
7w6 sx/so: Jadae
7w6 sx/sp: discojoe
7w6 sp/so: Anglas, Troll NR 007
7w6 sp/sx: Hitta, Moonraker
7w6 so/sp: Cubazoan
7w6 so/sx: Mega
7w8 sx/so: Lagerdemon, Handjob
7w8 sx/sp: Ashton
7w8 so/sx: Bain
7w8 sp/sx: Gummi
7w8 so/sp: Myst
7w8 sp/so: Ineffable
8w7 sx/so: Deestructor/InvisibleHim
8w7 sx/sp: FDG
8w7 so/sp: Kill4me
8w7 sp/so:
8w7 sp/sx: Mercutio/Satan
8w7 so/sx: Words
8w9 sx/so: Agee
8w9 so/sx: Narc
8w9 sx/sp: Ananke
8w9 sp/sx: Expat
8w9 so/sp: Smilingeyes
8w9 sp/so: Laurie’s Crusader
9w8 sx/sp: Allie
9w8 sp/sx: Spider, Stray, Araz
9w8 sx/so: Aquagraph
9w8 sp/so: Ollie, Karatos
9w8 so/sp: Elina, Rocky, Scarper
9w8 so/sx: Woof, Idontgiveaf
9w1 sx/so: Aylen, c3vu, Xiaviay
9w1 sx/sp: Pink, Lord Pixel
9w1 sp/so: Subteigh , Bluebird
9w1 sp/sx: Inumbra, Minde, Rogue, Singu, Ronin, Bertrand, Hamouchou
9w1 so/sp: Chips N Underwear, Chem
9w1 so/sx: Suz, Enoch, Chryssie, Flutteringshyx, Tpaduan
1w9 sx/so: Kore
1w9 sx/sp: Hkkmr
1w9 sp/so: Esaman, Krig the Viking
1w9 sp/sx: Parkster
1w9 so/sp: RedVillain, MikeMex, HotelAmbush
1w9 so/sx: JohannesBloem, Jeremy
1w2 sx/so: MissBabyDoll
1w2 sx/sp: Agarina
1w2 so/sp: Silke, Nanashi
1w2 sp/so: Sol, Director Abbie, Neon
1w2 so/sx: Trevor
1w2 sp/sx: Birdie, Ellonwy
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@Kill4Me
Provide logical justification for your typings. It shouldn't be difficult if you're an expert, right?
----- FarDraft, 2020
Is it mean that I love I am nowhere on this list?
@Sol ok ok maybe you’re right after all about the way SLE’s effect me. Or this one anyway.
Ichazo referred to type 3 as ego-go for its focus on becoming as efficient as one can be in order to maximize activity/doing....a human doing. R & H transported this to their 3w4, the professional and Stackemup Typology found it mainly applied to 3w4s. Fardraft already reaffirms my typing of him as a 3w4. In Stackemup Typology, the below is consistent with a calculated-self-confident gestalt....Far Draft is a clearly an efficient, goal-oriented, outer-directed so/sx 3w4 who measures happiness and success by externally driven, culturally validated markers like promotions and reward:
I then began systematizing other important things like drinking water, eating healthy, and shit like that. While I'm not nearly as active as some Se ego type, I've begun streamlining my life and making small things more efficient. The mentality has led me to want to change other aspects of my life that are not as efficient as they can be. For example, if I'm studying for an hour something that could have been understood in 30 mins, I force myself to figure out ways to not get as distracted or something.
The key for me was to start very small and then continuously do that small thing until it became commonplace/habitual. Then, add something else and continue to do that regularly until it becomes commonplace. And so on and so forth. When your life becomes streamlined you begin to dislike all the wasted time and inefficiencies so you remove those. The most important thing is to not do too many things at the same time or add in another routine prior to one settling. Otherwise, you'll feel more inclined to break one routine since you've "done enough by following through on the others today".
As far as I know (I'm in uni too, so take this with a grain of salt), surviving in the real world is about grinding out tasks that you may or may not want to do for some reward, usually financial compensation. That means not screwing around and wasting time. It takes common sense (which ILIs are usually good at) since you have to not be stupid with who you deal with or which tasks you decide to take up (although you often have no choice here). With time and luck, promotions come and a greater reward comes with perhaps greater effort put in.
I too would like to do something I love (that also makes a lot of money). However, the world often doesn't work like that and to end up doing something that you love often means do a lot of things first. It's too often I see people throw away their lives because they wanted to "do what they love" and they end up hating what they love because they can't survive off it. Don't be stupid with this stuff. Be pragmatic about it and realize what's needed to be done for basic comfort first.
@Kill4Me Didn't you once type me as a 7w6 on Typologycentral's forums?
Last edited by Ave; 04-01-2019 at 10:28 PM. Reason: I had left out the "me"
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Having received email notifications for socionics posts, I have proof that you edited this post perhaps out of mistake but also perhaps out of dishonesty since you were originally confident in typing me sp/so prior to the edit (you've typed me so/sx on other threads). EDIT: the reason why this matters is because if his argument works for sp/so and for so/sx while still making judgements about instinctual stackings, then the validity of the argument should be brought into question. Having said that, I can't be certain that it wasn't a typo or something, so I'll let people decide for themselves. Here is the email:
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Ichazo referred to type 3 as ego-go for its focus on becoming as efficient as one can be in order to maximize activity/doing....a human doing. R & H transported this to their 3w4, the professional and Stackemup Typology found it mainly applied to SP3w4s. Fardraft already reaffirms my typing of him as a sp/so 3w4. In Stackemup Typology, the below is consistent with a calculated-self-confident gestalt....Far Draft is a clearly an efficient, goal-oriented, go-getter sp3w4 who measures success by external-driven markers like promotions and rewards:
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I then began systematizing other important things like drinking water, eating healthy, and shit like that. While I'm not nearly as active as some Se ego type, I've begun streamlining my life and making small things more efficient. The mentality has led me to want to change other aspects of my life that are not as efficient as they can be. For example, if I'm studying for an hour something that could have been understood in 30 mins, I force myself to figure out ways to not get as distracted or something.
The key for me was to start very small and then continuously do that small thing until it became commonplace/habitual. Then, add something else and continue to do that regularly until it becomes commonplace. And so on and so forth. When your life becomes streamlined you begin to dislike all the wasted time and inefficiencies so you remove those. The most important thing is to not do too many things at the same time or add in another routine prior to one settling. Otherwise, you'll feel more inclined to break one routine since you've "done enough by following through on the others today".
As far as I know (I'm in uni too, so take this with a grain of salt), surviving in the real world is about grinding out tasks that you may or may not want to do for some reward, usually financial compensation. That means not screwing around and wasting time. It takes common sense (which ILIs are usually good at) since you have to not be stupid with who you deal with or which tasks you decide to take up (although you often have no choice here). *With time and luck, promotions come and a greater reward comes with perhaps greater effort put in.*
I too would like to do something I love (that also makes a lot of money). However, the world often doesn't work like that and to end up doing something that you love often means do a lot of things first. *It's too often I see people throw away their lives because they wanted to "do what they love"* and they end up hating what they love because they can't survive off it. Don't be stupid with this stuff. Be pragmatic about it and realize what's needed to be done for basic comfort first.
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That being said, you're projecting too much of limited evidence - something I've seen many do which leads to tremendously unsubstantiated conclusions. First of all, in the post, I'm describing a change I made to my lifestyle in order to stop being so lazy rather than how I'm so efficient or something. In fact, I still am very lazy and inactive, which is partially why a 4D Se typing is ridiculous; however, I have begun systematizing aspects of my life that are important but aspects that I was previously neglecting. Second, what part of this post indicates that I am "an efficient, goal-oriented, outer-directed so/sx 3w4 who measures happiness and success by externally driven, culturally validated markers like promotions and reward"? While I am goal-oriented, that's not nearly enough evidence in favour of a core 3 typing since goal-orientation is the only way to improve. Again, I'm not nearly as efficient as other 3s or people around me - I'm simply trying to reduce the amount of work I have to do since I'm lazy. Never did I say I am outwardly directed. I am most likely an introverted type given that my default position is to be "in my head". I also never said that I measure happiness by external rewards - instead, I described the process of how people advance in society. They grind and they are efficient. With that, time, and luck, they climb the economic ladder. And, the quote where I describe the "do what you love stuff" is just pragmatic advice. It is a fact that people are miserable because they made bad decisions with regards to their finances. I am doing nothing more than stating that fact and encouraging the op to not make such a mistake. Third, I am not very self-confident. Did you even watch my video? One of my biggest weaknesses is that I lack confidence in my own abilities despite evidence showing that my abilities are pretty good. To be a self-confident gestalt would be way above my pay-grade. You are correct that I am calculated, though. But usually so are 5s and 6s and 1s and probably other types but mostly those 4. The reason I give myself a 3 fix is because, as a heart fix, the core fear is more relatable than the others (fear of being worthless > fear of being ordinary > fear of being unloved). However, as I've said before, as a core type, it doesn't make sense no matter how you spin it. You're wrong about this, and if you want to be correct or at least credible, then you must face facts.
Here's the thing: even if all your analysis were sound (which it is not), you'd still be greatly removing enneagram from its usable domain. Enneagram is a theory about the core fears and motivations about a person. High level behaviour or traits can help remove possibilities for core type (usually) but can never be used to justify a specific type. Behaviours can help with describing the instinctual stackings, though, yet you've provided no direct evidence that I actually care about societally defined social standards, groups, or practices enough to be an So lead. I care about success, yes. Pretty much everyone does to an extent. Money to me is not a means of flaunting or engaging in social competitions. I do not care about that at all. I've always been the loner kid who doesn't care about popularity or those kinds of things, so an So first typing makes no sense. I do not care about social groups, cliques, clubs, or anything of that sort. I care about my own independence first and foremost above any group that I am a part of. I don't know what my relation to money is - I think it could just be a childhood dream that I've decided to live out. Perhaps I'll realize that the pursuit of money beyond basic comfort is pointless. Who knows. Not you is for certain.
EDIT: You have yet to even attempt to justify your ESE-Fe typing. I'm waiting.
Last edited by FarDraft; 04-01-2019 at 09:00 PM.
----- FarDraft, 2020
That Sol is a such a 1w2 sp/so (The Conscientious-Rigid Gestalt)
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ethod-of-death
These are the most accurate Enneagram Descriptions out there. I wrote them and know the enneagram better than anybody. R & H made a mess of the enneagram...their descriptions entangle multiple types into single types. The Fauvres mainstreamed multiple personality disorder. Naranjo is not bad but not necessary. None of those authors ever presented a comprehensive breakdown for every type wing and stack such that I can look at the foundation-in-reality for their assertions. Not only did I discover and document a comprehensive breakdown for every type wing and stack but my breakdown is valid, 100 percent. Its the only valid breakdown for every type, wing and stack on earth. The validity speaks for itself by the tightness of each section and overall coherence. So when I opine upon somebody's type, take it to the bank it's their type.
https://stackemup.livejournal.com/
By the way I've got socionics typing mastered, too....so when hot shot college kids run to socionics kicking and screaming for a way out of my typing, they end up running smack dab into Stackemup Typology (socionics side). There's no escape. mwahahaha
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Last edited by Kill4Me; 04-11-2019 at 01:10 PM.
Check out Adam Strange (IEE-Fi 3w4 sp/sx) trying to impress the members of the forum with a screenshot of his "8w7" test results:
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-On-the-Market
3w4s like to show off their trophy case.
Adam doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body, is nonconfrontational, lacks fire, lacks charisma, looks ectomorphically unassuming in his pictures, and is clearly not in the reactive triad. He is an intensely heady person with a propensity for moving towards others. But somehow, someway, by some miracle of the human ego, Adam apparently convinced himself that he's an 8w7 sx/so.
This really just reinforces what I have been saying since day one. Tests suck. Enneagram tests are by far the worse tools to type yourself with in the history of typology. Enneagram tests rank remarkably low in terms of reliability because the results turn upon self-reporting. The problem with self-reporting is that the self is made up of the EGO and EGOs have an agenda which can easily taint the way people see themselves. These tests are not designed to distinguish between a person's self-image and their actual type.
In the enneagram, the type guys most mistype as is sx/so 8w7 and the type females most mistype as is 4w5 social-last, so these are the most common mistypes. In socionics, a lot of guys want to be either SLE or LIE and for females its overwhelmingly IEI. For some reason, the male ego has something for sx/so 8w7...it didn't take smilingeyes/smilex all that long to sniff out that Adam was not a fellow Te-lead.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ional-elements
I can say off the bat....Anybody who would base their self-typing on what a personality test or job careers test is definitely not a 4, 5 or 8.
369 types typically mistype the most because they put more stock in superficial measures like those tests. 3w4s especially present themselves as various types....the natural arrogance of the 3w4 can blind them to just how cool, assertive and brilliant they really aren't.
Your use of visual identification within enneagram is not at all a common or accepted method of typing like it is in socionics. Are you really telling me that you can determine a person's core fears and motivations just by looking at them? While there's nothing wrong with developing new methodology, that methodology has to yield correct conclusions for it to be useful. So, to use VI in enneagram, there's a very high burden of proof. If you can explain properly or point to a valid scientific resource as to why you think VI is ALL that you need to determine core fears and motivations (as you pretty much use no other method), then maybe I'll trust your typings more. At the moment, you seem like an enneagram heretic to me.
----- FarDraft, 2020
Dude, maybe you're just seeing an 8w7 exercising some degree of self-control. It's not as if I had any preferences for myself before I took the tests. If I had, I'd probably be trying for an LII e5, now that I know what they are like. And I'm pretty sure I wouldn't ask for being sx-first, which is kind of a curse.
I just got course-corrected by being thrown in jail a couple times, and I got tired of getting into physical fights that often left me bleeding all over the place.
Believe me, if you want to truly influence people in order to get things done, being an asshole is not the most effective way to do that. E8's also have a strongly protective side.
Keep in mind that an e8 integrates into an e2. Maybe that has partially happened. Most of the time. When I'm not wishing that half the human race were dead because they are a fucking menace to the rest of us.
I'd like some help finding enneatype. I'd thought I might be a 9, but then I encountered other 9s and had a hard time relating to their obsession with finding calm and their aversion to conflict and raised voices. Although it is understandable why some Alphas might identify with 9.
So I read through the interaction between Smilex and Adam. Here are Smilex's precise words: This wording indicates that Smilex questions Adam's ENTj typing, not that he questions Te leading. You're trying to suggest that Smilex, like you, doesn't believe Adam is Te-leading, when Smilex didn't say anything of the sort on that thread. While it could be the case that Smilex doesn't believe Adam is Te-leading, on that thread alone, you don't have enough evidence to conclude that. Your lack of precision obfuscates the nature of the situation.
----- FarDraft, 2020
Kill4Me keep going with your bs. I'm not a 369 tritype, idk about Adam but LIE (or even LSE) and 8 seems like it would fit - so if that is the case neither is he. You are not gospel, you ain't shit hun, believe it or not you aren't the most knowledgeable person around.Either you are a troll or very very delusional. Get fucked.
Thank you for the interest both of you show in what little I can offer on the matter.
If you care, I'd like to clarify though. What happened before was an interaction where Hotel was questioning my individual statements. To follow up on this, Adam had a personal negative reaction to my statements which motivated him to correct me with an example.
FIrst of all, he exhibited a clear rational behaviour trait and when comparing the style he did this I find it strongly likely that Adam has EJ temperament. Adam didn't see my words as an attack but gaged my words as non-threatening, despite the implicit questioning and skepticism. High -Ni ENTjs more likely would have continued the argument whereas Adam didn't see a reason to fight, rather he continued with a little bit of self-effacing comedy.
I think Kill noticed well that Adam doesn't really look for the leader position in his behaviour. I think Fard read my comments more accurately. I think both of you are some of the smarter individuals on the forum so I'm not intending to have a long argument with either one of you, I have nothing to gain from that.
But as for Adam, I think I and him have a mental structure that is reasonably close to that of each other. His life experience is not mine and as such he has a confidence in practical skills which is far above mine, I have more warlike instincts as I was brought up in a more or less beta family. He claims he's ENTj, I have little enough reason to fight this self-image. People who are strong Te-types can have close to equal strength in Ni as well as Si. As such I find the border between ESTj and ENTj situational and ephemeral - the argument over whether someone who is Ej-Te is ESTj or ENTj is mostly pointless to me. When they use Ni, they seem like ENTj because they assume that structure and Adam sometimes does this, certainly when he's talking about economy in the chat. His current avatar pic certainly looks more Si than Ni. Which one is more accurate, I don't give a rat's ass. In the end, by exerting his own will-power he can focus on either Ni or Si and appear either to prove any argument 'right' or 'wrong' so this is not a fight anyone but Adam can win.
So in the most pleasant of senses, fuck yourselves all.
Really, the dopamine flush will make you feel better and you'll forget about Adam.
I am ennegran 8 probably 7 wing sx/so or so/sx.. leaning more towards the sx first based on Beatrice Chestnut's writing.
@Smilex, I know a bunch of LSE's (both male and female - I have a great ESTj friend and have worked with multiple ESTj's and both my mother and sister are ESTj's, and I have also worked with many ENTj's), and to me, while I wanted to believe that you are ENTj because you wrote the best inter-type descriptions that I have read from an ENTj's perspective, I do clearly get ESTj vibes from you. Your Si is just too strong. And your sense of humor is really ESTj.
It's funny, though. It's easy to tell that you are a Te-dom.
Sorry to hear that you were raised in Beta. I was raised in Delta, which presented many problems, but not nearly as many as I imagine you experienced.
As for not looking for a leader position, it's true. I normally take a very hands-off position in everything because it gives people free-rein to express themselves originally, and I really like it when people do that. However, if there is something that strongly affects me or offers an opportunity for real profit, I step up and do try to take control of the situation.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 04-12-2019 at 09:11 PM.