How Enneagram 279-135-468 triads act sociologically

[FDG]

Then given the connotation of "hostile", I think a different term ought to be used.

hos·tile /ˈhɒstl or, especially Brit., -taɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hos-tl or, especially Brit., -tahyl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an enemy: a hostile nation.
2. opposed in feeling, action, or character; antagonistic: hostile criticism.
3. characterized by antagonism.
4. not friendly, warm, or generous; not hospitable.
–noun
5. a person or thing that is antagonistic or unfriendly.
6. Military. an enemy soldier, plane, ship, etc.
[Origin: 1585–95; < L hostīlis, equiv. to hostis enemy (see host2) + -īlis -ile]

—Related forms
hos&#183;tile&#183;ly, adverb

—Synonyms 1. warlike, aggressive. 2. adverse, averse, contrary. Hostile, inimical indicate that which characterizes an enemy or something injurious to one's interests. Hostile applies to the spirit, attitude, or action of an enemy: They showed a hostile and menacing attitude. Inimical applies to an antagonistic or injurious tendency or influence: Their remarks were inimical to his reputation.
—Antonyms 1, 2. friendly. 3. sympathetic.

This seems enough to me. Hostile is quite good I think.

We could also say that some types are more aggressive and intimidate people without wanting to. This doesn't change the fact that interacting with them is less pleasurable than interacting with a person that is not aggressive.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

hos·tile /ˈhɒstl or, especially Brit., -taɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hos-tl or, especially Brit., -tahyl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an enemy: a hostile nation.
2. opposed in feeling, action, or character; antagonistic: hostile criticism.
3. characterized by antagonism.
4. not friendly, warm, or generous; not hospitable.
–noun
5. a person or thing that is antagonistic or unfriendly.
6. Military. an enemy soldier, plane, ship, etc.
[Origin: 1585–95; < L hostīlis, equiv. to hostis enemy (see host2) + -īlis -ile]

—Related forms
hos·tile·ly, adverb

—Synonyms 1. warlike, aggressive. 2. adverse, averse, contrary. Hostile, inimical indicate that which characterizes an enemy or something injurious to one's interests. Hostile applies to the spirit, attitude, or action of an enemy: They showed a hostile and menacing attitude. Inimical applies to an antagonistic or injurious tendency or influence: Their remarks were inimical to his reputation.
—Antonyms 1, 2. friendly. 3. sympathetic.

This seems enough to me. Hostile is quite good I think.

We could also say that some types are more aggressive and intimidate people without wanting to. This doesn't change the fact that interacting with them is less pleasurable than interacting with a person that is not aggressive.

Hostility has always seemed to be a conscious, intentional thing, imo.

[Joy]

If you think of the 4th definition here when you say "hostile", then I agree. That definition hadn't even crossed my mind though. I think of someone who is "hostile" as someone who's antagonistic.

I still think the description I quoted is that of an unhealthy person. Granted, certain types tend to be unhealthy in certain ways.

I think you're E3.

Have fun with that.

[machintruc]

If you think of the 4th definition here when you say "hostile", then I agree. That definition hadn't even crossed my mind though. I think of someone who is "hostile" as someone who's antagonistic.

I still think the description I quoted is that of an unhealthy person. Granted, certain types tend to be unhealthy in certain ways.

All non-salesmen are hostile, then.

By "hostile", I meant "socially mistrusting and repulsive". In fact, 468's are socially repulsive by their nature. Their philosophy of life is built on conflict and rejection.

Talanov has done empirical research that says that "tendency to hostility" was correlated to : SLE, LSI, and ILI. I agree with him.

Have fun with that.

You can't be Eight. You're too girly to be Eight. Three is girlier.

just kidding

[Joy]

All non-salesmen are hostile, then.

By "hostile", I meant "socially mistrusting and repulsive". In fact, 468's are socially repulsive by their nature. Their philosophy of life is built on conflict and rejection.

Talanov has done empirical research that says that "tendency to hostility" was correlated to : SLE, LSI, and ILI. I agree with him.

Like I said, certain types are more prone to certain flaws. I don't think that all 468's are socially repulsive though. That's a relative perspective based on individual values.

You can't be Eight. You're too girly to be Eight. Three is girlier.

just kidding

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[machintruc]

Like I said, certain types are more prone to certain flaws. I don't think that all 468's are socially repulsive though. That's a relative perspective based on individual values.

I always found it harder to socialise with 468's.

To make a comparison : I have known a SEI +0- female schoolmate who, though appeared hard to get or something, was actually very accessible. She was the friend of nearly everyone. She was smart and funny, and very sociable. She was just unassertive and self-effaced, letting others to take her for granted.

I have known another SEI --- chick. She's friendly... only when interest is strong. She's hostile, at least with me. Why does she need to be hostile ? I don't understand. She's everything but accomodating, and has stayed in social services department in her youth. She's overly sensitive, and reacts whenever teased or something. She's not really anyone's friend, but has sweet responses when needed. One day, she said to me that she was kicked out her school. Ok, she's straightforward and smart, but I don't really care, because she's an egocentric asocial. I don't really like her.