Exactly.
Well, Fe is blatently evident; it is clearly used and valued by Cameron, so Ganin is wrong in my eyes. I don't know where the fuck he gets SLI from. Most fundamentally, where's the Fe PoLR? See how he raises the crowd? And IP > EJ? His mannerisms reveal practically the opposite. The tone of his voice says Se valuing to me, even if he's perhaps inept in Se, so Se HA would not be out of the question. Ne/Si would. And if you listen to any of his speeches, you'll see that his Ni shines through in his horrid use of pure rhetoric.
This is the kind of thing an MBTT-plagued person would say. When we look at socionics, we look at functions. If you want stereotypical jobs and careers, you're looking in the wrong place. MBTT will work more in your favour in this case.At least a slight problem is Brown's type, but here the two socionists seem to agree. Still, why would an INTp ever want, or be able to, become Prime Minister? Why doesn't he look like a typical INTp? (Well, that question may not have an answer ...)
I agree.
Right, I also agree; after all Cameron wasn't really interested, we may assume, in getting an answer from Brown. So yes, it was more Se than Ti in the context.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Maybe, but that is totally irrelevant here. This is the kind of thing socionists like Filatova, Stratiyevskaya, Lytov ... have in fact said.
You are so incredibly wrong and stupid that I want to puke at it. CHECK THE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS -- the SOCIONIC ones! Don't you have eyes to read with, Mr Mole?
It would be a good idea to have a poll in order to see what types the majority of people choose for Cameron and Brown. It is better not to compare socionists on who is better at typing. Everyone can do mistakes from time to time. It is good though when the typing is close. If the majority thinks that Cameron is ENFJ, then this is likely to be the case.
My husband LII thinks that Cameron is sooo stupid, that he can not be logical. But he is a rational type, so he is judging and judging suggests rational functions at work. Judging of Cameron is based on facts and emotions. Mainly he plays on people's feelings, so he is an ehtical type. And this is very different to Brown, who sticks to logics.
I can see where Sg went wrong. He thinks that Si is too strong. He does not know ENFJs it looks like to me. Their painful Si makes them pay a lot of attention to the way they look and generally tidyness and accuracy.
I am not sure about Brown, I thought Brown could be an ENTJ or ESTJ?
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Here's my two cents for what it's worth. I think Brown's type is easier to see because he's not much of an actor, he seems pretty much who he is to me. Cameron strikes me as being a very good actor so it is difficult for me to ascertain wether he really means what he says or does. It's difficult to tell when the acting stops. Wether acting is a quality more common in Fe types idk, I suppose all types can act which makes it more difficult I think. But then from what we see it does look like lots of Fe and it does look like a supervisory relation with the two and I guess ENFj's can also be called 'the actor'
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fwiw, i've read that the "best" actors are typically ENFjs and ESFps. seems like a lot of people (mmh, was it meged & ovcharov?) say this of ENTps, too. usually when i find someone who i can't type based on not being able to tell where the acting ends and the "real" personality really is, i always want to default to one of these types, hah.
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I can't see it tbf, reaches out with dominant Fe from what I've seen of him.
Last edited by Cyclops; 02-19-2008 at 03:02 AM.
Dude, if you think a person can walk around with a role function as strong as a dominant function then its superman you must be talking talking about.
Whatever it is I think your analysing it too much. If you have Exxj like you say, and the person consistently, easily, skillfully and predominantly demonstrates Fe, then they are dominant Fe. That isn't how role Fe works at all.
On the contrary. It means that you are dismissing mainstream Socionics. You are not only criticizing me, you are criticizing all those sources I mentioned. On what grounds are you doing it? Do you really have a sound base of knowledge of the types upon which you can make correct typings? It seems that you haven't since you are not agreeing with what is considered basic common knowledge of the types. You probably need to do some more studying. Your foundation looks a little shaky, to tell you the truth (which I always do by the way).
Nonsense! David Cameron is as Delta as they get. LSE!!! Interestingly Tony is also thought to be an LSE.
Notice, the difference between the clean-cut Deltas and the rather rough around the edges look of Gamma Gordon
But yes, the main power of argumentation in the House of Commons is driven by Extraverted Logic, not Extraverted Ethics. We're just not a very Beta-friendly bunch
pretty sure Cameron is ethical...
@lecter suggested SEE in a thread a few years ago and someone else (who I won't mention unless they choose to do so themselves!) also believed this...I currently prefer it as a typing over EIE for example. If so, it is not something that is immediately obvious to me in large part due to a blindspot in regards of the range of SEEs...I think his portrayal of a Flashman persona may be illustrative.