weak Si/strong Si is actually the element (and polr) i spot in other people most easily.Originally Posted by discojoe
weak Si/strong Si is actually the element (and polr) i spot in other people most easily.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
Si is stupid and being so bent out of shape about it is cute and silly.
I spot Se PoLR the strongest. It makes me want to encourage the person to raise their voice at me so that they see I can handle it. So in the future they can openly show as much Se as they want without worrying about seeming too harsh. (this assumes they're actually Se-creatives behaving too politely).
I do spot Fe PoLR every now and then, but mostly due to their inability to react to my playful comments.
Ne PoLR never bothered me really. There's this ISTj who never likes to try new food and she hasn't tried some of the most basic things... and we keep convincing her to try some things. It doesn't bother me and she often agrees at the end. But it annoys me how she makes a sour face at ANYTHING new that she tries, including tiramisu and other yummy good things. So I guess what I'm saying is that it's fun to talk Ne PoLR people into new thing, but being so stubborn can cause them to have some annoying traits that will never go away. Otherwise, I barely notice Ne PoLR.
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
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It's been my experience that a person will more easily spot the weakest concious function in another when that particular function is their strongest.
Hence the joys of supervision and conflicting relations.
i think i agree with you on this. with Si/weak sensing (or at least what i generally consider to be such) it's taken place more in the form of having been in cars with ENTps, and having white knuckled it the whole time.
@loki - i think you can spot your supervisor's strong function as well, but i also think that if your supervisor actually likes you they may not press this too much? maybe similar with mirrors.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
Se polr in LIIs sometimes seems rather glaring. other than that, nothing i can think of.
Yeah, from my perspective Ne barely counts as a PoLR. All you have to do is explain the situation to them.
but, i think explaining something or being able to see where an Ne ego is coming from doesn't make an Ne polr able to generate possibilities like the Ne ego. It's still a polr.
Right, well, doesn't that make sense?
I'm not really sure which ones stand out.
Ne porl is really obvious to me because I've dealt with it so much recently. I get into arguments with ISTjs and ISFjs at times because we're looking at the same thing from different perspectives and it can be problematic if there are no intuitive types to facilitate understanding.
Se polrs do not bother me, to me it is just like the "go ahead", the "green light" for being more protective towards that person.
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The most annoying is ENFj's Si polr, IMO, because they need you to actually get angry and visibly reactive, just to sort of prove that they can be "calmed" down.
I do not have extensive experience with INFp Te polr, but with ISFps, they just sort of have a tendency to ... seem foolish? Childish? I don't know.
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Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
That makes sense.
My experience is the opposite... Ne PoLR's are the ones who seem to need reassurance (or at least assurance), but I'm sure it depends on what kind of reassurance you're offering them.Ni polrs are kind of annoying in that they need a sort of constant reassurance.
I always assumed that had more to do with Fe and Se than Si?The most annoying is ENFj's Si polr, IMO, because they need you to actually get angry and visibly reactive, just to sort of prove that they can be "calmed" down.
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dolphin, you are hilarious.
Se & Te PoLR
INTp
sx/sp
I hardly even notice Se, Ni, and Te PoLRs (I'm sure the Se is type-related). Fi, Fe, and Ne are probably the most painfully obvious. Although I'm getting better at recognizing it, I think Si PoLR in particular is kind of subtle; it mainly comes out in how a person moves and speaks, not in anything they say or do specifically.
I guess I don't really "notice" Ti PoLRs because I'm constantly seeing Ti problems anyway.
I think Ni PoLR is fairly easy for me to spot. Also Se. For Te I need more interaction with the person, and Fi PoLR is probably the one I need the most time to spot.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Yes. Supervisor usually takes a liking to supervisee and tries to school them.
In my humble opinion, the supervisor is the absolute best teacher of a thing they're good at because the supervisee doesn't have any real defenses the incoming information, and the creative fosters that delivery. (Interpersonal tension aside, as that is less predictable between the two, and can happen to any two people, it will skew these results if it occurs).
The PoLRs I spot with ease are Se, Ne, Fi and mostly Si. Se through inability to level up, Ne through lack of originality and routine overdose, Fi through awkwardness in profound ways of relating, Si by completely destroying my beloved comfort zone ;~; The latter is the most obvious to me because what I need and value in others is denied.
Situation from my curation class that made me think I'm SP/SX but in fact, it was Si DS: my group members announced that we would have to work all night to get our statistics work finished.
Me, liking neither stats nor willing to sacrificing my holy sleep, rebelled against them all whiny, "Is that even healthy!!", also pressuring them to start asap to get it done, at least, while they even wanted to postpone it. I did end up working all night not even losing an ounce of energy - eating away all of their food lmao, that's how I punish people
- but left earlier. I didn't want to let them down nor did I dare to risk getting a bad grade. The major problem was just inconvenience. They kept on working until 4,5 am or something. Blasting music and drinking alcohol while working, while I was like
That work won't be high quality, and you'll be ruined
In retrospect, I'm pretty sure they were ENxj types
Nah, there is a real defense - PoLR's inability to process information fast. It can process the information from Supervisor and may accept some of it for real as a consequence after having properly processed it but such absorbing of the information will take terribly long with limited results for the PoLR information itself and is not recommended in most life situations. Where it can be helpful is PoLR providing more of a perspective to the HA, maybe. Still, a very lengthy and effortful process if the information is coming from the Supervisor and not from the Dual.
If you just mean Supervisee willingly following advice of the Supervisor without understanding any of it, well I don't recommend that either. Will usually not work unless Supervisor has all relevant information about the issue/situation to be solved but that's usually not the case, far from it. Also you can't have your Supervisor always holding your hand. And blind trust is no good anyway.
I'm not sure about all this blind trust stuff but imagine that my statements apply to situations where there is a literal teacher and student situation.
I realize that most people are going to disagree with my statements about this relationship.
I realize this is terribly situational and requires that there aren't conflicts. I also am not claiming that they will like one another, simply that the supervisee can benefit from learning from the supervisor of they're spending time learning from them. (Recall that I'm speaking about a supervisor that's competent in the area).
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It doesn't really make me think differently in that situation either. Doesn't help me truly process and absorb the information faster.
Well it definitely does not match my experiences.I realize that most people are going to disagree with my statements about this relationship.
Do you experience this with LSIs?
I understood you were claiming that.I realize this is terribly situational and requires that there aren't conflicts. I also am not claiming that they will like one another, simply that the supervisee can benefit from learning from the supervisor of they're spending time learning from them. (Recall that I'm speaking about a supervisor that's competent in the area).
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