ISTp-ENFp duality and implicit perception of emotional needs

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Yeah, all for the cause and whatnot. Still, she doesn't come across as ENFP to me. Aren't ENFPs crazy and fun? And don't they dislike telling people what to do?

I would say that Leia may appear bossy, but under pressure she would at times back down, for instance in the early exchanges with Han Solo on the millenium falcon. This type of bossy/backing down thing could be said to be an ENFp characteritic.

Yeah..The fun and crazy ENFp's are fun and crazy But she does look a lot of fun to me (or rather she looks pretty hot in the film so maybe I think I could *have* lots of fun with her )

However, I think if you combine her primarily external idealism, coming from more an ethical viewpoint, and when you look at how her and Han Solo start off like chalk and cheese, then gradually come to realise the importance each other are to each other, (it could be viewed as a duality relation in the making) to me it does seem to point to ENFp

However, I do agree with consentingadult in the sense that character portrayal has never been one of Lucas' strong points.

So yeah.. who can really say for definite .

[thePirate]

The appeal is abit hard to understand, I get the expectations thing( I believe my ex was an ISTJ, and one of the problems was her constant expectations of things)

but other then that, what? LOL.

[JuJu]

Sup Pirate?

In my experience, the appeal is this: they let you be youself--you don't have to act for them... They accept you as you are... They're not demanding at all--the opposite. They're usually very curious about things too, so there's always stuff to do or talk about.

[idolatrie]

they let you be youself--you don't have to act for them... They accept you as you are... They're not demanding at all--the opposite. They're usually very curious about things too, so there's always stuff to do or talk about.

That does seem to describe how my IEE friend is around her duals. She comes up with zany little comments all the time and they just don't blink, and roll with whatever she says. They also don't make a big deal out of it, like call attention to it being a joke, but rather 'accept' the reality of it and play it deadpan. Umm, maybe I'm explaining this badly. I'll try to give an example.

We were both at the graduation celebration of an SLI friend of ours, and he was being all grumpy about having to deal with the 'event' of it all and his parents incessent need to take photos. My IEE friend says something like you only get two graduations (combined degrees) in your life, and when you're 80, you should be able to look back on it well.
SLI: I don't plan to live to 80
IEE: Don't tell me you plan to die at 36, that's such a cliche
SLI: Nah, somewhere between 40 and 50
IEE: But then your children will not have you around right when they go into their teens - imagine the drugs and ...drinking they will fall into
SLI: Oh, I'll train them well early on so that won't happen

And they said all of that in a light, normal tone. Meanwhile I'm going next to them because I don't like talking about people dying? Like, I *knew* it was all a joke, but um, I have this basic belief that people are talking about things they mean all the time, so I was all

When I have those kind of exchanges with the IEE, we tend to build on what each other says, until it gets more and more dramatic and collapses under the ridiculousness of it all. But the IEE and SLI seemingly could go on indefinitely.

It happens frequently too. Another time we were at lunch with a(nother) SLI and SEI. The IEE made some comment about something someone told her about monkey brains, and the practices people engage in while eating it. I immediately chimed in about seeing monkey brains in the grocery store, and then the SLI jumped in with this elaborate explanation of a family practice of his that basically validated the seemingly outlandish original statement of the IEE. The words he was saying were clearly taking the piss, but he said it completely deadpan and very convincingly, and all three of us were presenting it as if we were having a serious discussion and all the mirth was very much kept below the surface, though easy to recognise in each other. The SEI was completely lost and had no idea what we were all on about.

I've never seen a SLI sort of cut my IEE friend off because they are uninterested in what she's saying. I mean, yeah, she is a very interesting lady. But more than that, they do always seem genuinely interested - in person. And SLIs react to her very differently to the way they react to me, and to others as far as I know. They seem...lit up and brought out of their brusque exterior with her, playful and willing to joke.

I think it's cute. Really really cute.

[meatburger]

SLI: I don't plan to live to 80
IEE: Don't tell me you plan to die at 36, that's such a cliche
SLI: Nah, somewhere between 40 and 50
IEE: But then your children will not have you around right when they go into their teens - imagine the drugs and ...drinking they will fall into
SLI: Oh, I'll train them well early on so that won't happen

I shit you not my ISTp friend has said exactly the same thing to me. Hes told me more than once that he can see himself dying early (he can feel it). All i can say is that i think hes nuts. Unless ISTp's have some innate death sense that ive never heard of?? What is with that, like weak Ni or something lol.

[xyz]

I shit you not my ISTp friend has said exactly the same thing to me. Hes told me more than once that he can see himself dying early (he can feel it). All i can say is that i think hes nuts. Unless ISTp's have some innate death sense that ive never heard of?? What is with that, like weak Ni or something lol.

Prolly, I dunno. I'm frankly still surprised i'm alive.

[jessica129]

Ha. I get the feeling i'll be around a lonnng time.

[tereg]

I shit you not my ISTp friend has said exactly the same thing to me. Hes told me more than once that he can see himself dying early (he can feel it).

I'll be honest, I have this same "sense" for myself. I don't really know how to explain it, and it's not that I want to die early... it's just... it's just a weird kind of hunch that I get that my life will somehow end tragically.

[Chocolate]

My dad is SLI and quite often when he sees me holding for example cup of chocolate and going to zap it, he stops me whith smile and nodding and does it by himself. I'm definately too much scatterbrained . It's just a simple example, but everyone else always warn me with sharp tone not to spill all that stuff.

I'll be honest, I have this same "sense" for myself. I don't really know how to explain it, and it's not that I want to die early... it's just... it's just a weird kind of hunch that I get that my life will somehow end tragically.

I have the same feeling and this doesn't make me upset. It just exists.
But when I cross the street thinking of death, I sometimes feel really odd .

[Christy B]

I shit you not my ISTp friend has said exactly the same thing to me. Hes told me more than once that he can see himself dying early (he can feel it). All i can say is that i think hes nuts. Unless ISTp's have some innate death sense that ive never heard of?? What is with that, like weak Ni or something lol.

SLI I dated thought he was going to die early too. Doesn't actually want to live to be old either because bodies kind of fall apart. He finds old people repulsive and didn't want to be one.

I love old people

[jessica129]

Doesn't actually want to live to be old either because bodies kind of fall apart. He finds old people repulsive and didn't want to be one.

I'm the same. I was a caretaker for seniors for some time and it really depressed me. The whole steady decline, reliance upon others and meaninglessness of life makes me not want to live to that age. But I don't think i'll ever get to that point. I would hate to be a burden to people. The day I have to start wearing diapers, someone has my permission to off me.

[mikemex]

Hes told me more than once that he can see himself dying early (he can feel it).

I've heard that from my SEI friend too.

[meatburger]

wow? Ok so its not type related (not like i really thought it was with any conviction). Occording to me anyway, this feeling is illogical so i ignore it. I must admit i dont relish the idea of being old but i will do so gracefully im sure. I do have a strong sense that all humans are teetering on the brink of death, it just takes one small occurance and BAM your dead. Ive just accepted that i cant really control that tho and we will see what happens. I dont really have any sense of my own death though, i just hope its later rather than sooner!

@ Chocolate haha i like your avatar and name its just very cute.

[humblepie]

I shit you not my ISTp friend has said exactly the same thing to me. Hes told me more than once that he can see himself dying early (he can feel it). All i can say is that i think hes nuts. Unless ISTp's have some innate death sense that ive never heard of?? What is with that, like weak Ni or something lol.

that would be just TYPICAL! put us through torture for years, then when we finally get you to open up and things start going good you up and die on us! bloody typical! nature is such a whore-bitch i wouldn't be surprised!

[applejacks]

that would be just TYPICAL! put us through torture for years, then when we finally get you to open up and things start going good you up and die on us! bloody typical! nature is such a whore-bitch i wouldn't be surprised!

Holy shit! My husband MUST be ISTp! SAME thing! He tells me all the time that he's going to die young, and that he's always known. He's too afraid to check his blood pressure, because he seems to think it's always high, and he truly doesn't see himself living past 60.

(Again, sorry- I'm reviving these really old posts, but I just got married and I'm trying to make sense of it all! And apparently I only have 30 years left with this man!)

[Kernel]

That does seem to describe how my IEE friend is around her duals. She comes up with zany little comments all the time and they just don't blink, and roll with whatever she says. They also don't make a big deal out of it, like call attention to it being a joke, but rather 'accept' the reality of it and play it deadpan. Umm, maybe I'm explaining this badly. I'll try to give an example.

It happens frequently too. Another time we were at lunch with a(nother) SLI and SEI. The IEE made some comment about something someone told her about monkey brains, and the practices people engage in while eating it. I immediately chimed in about seeing monkey brains in the grocery store, and then the SLI jumped in with this elaborate explanation of a family practice of his that basically validated the seemingly outlandish original statement of the IEE. The words he was saying were clearly taking the piss, but he said it completely deadpan and very convincingly, and all three of us were presenting it as if we were having a serious discussion and all the mirth was very much kept below the surface, though easy to recognise in each other. The SEI was completely lost and had no idea what we were all on about.

I've never seen a SLI sort of cut my IEE friend off because they are uninterested in what she's saying. I mean, yeah, she is a very interesting lady. But more than that, they do always seem genuinely interested - in person. And SLIs react to her very differently to the way they react to me, and to others as far as I know. They seem...lit up and brought out of their brusque exterior with her, playful and willing to joke.

I think it's cute. Really really cute.

This is a great observation. It sounds very much like how me and SLI interact. They really seem to like that wackiness. I remember once, me, ESI, SLI were talking about how the moon was red that day, then I came up with a very strange/stupid reason for the moon being that color, the ESI was like WTF but SLI laughed (in a way saying he is not judging you) then continued talking about it.

Sometimes, I will try to explain something, but I don't find the right words, so I keep saying very vague words here and there, others usually stop listening to me but SLI always pick up something from what i was saying and we continue talking without me feeling uncomfortable. It's not with words only, from time to time, I unconsciously do some weird movements, then I turn and find SLI laughing so hard somewhere, like once, it was very cold so I started (unconsciously) jumping in my place and I thought no one was watching but SLI was there all along and he started laughing, then he told me that next time I should wear warmer clothes.

It's very great and refreshing to have someone around who doesn't judge you for being your stupid self haha.