Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs

[Slacker]

who would do this? Ugh! I just saw him sink in bat poop and taste pureed mealworms. So icky!


quotes:

Most of the things I do brand wise are both missionary and mercenary in their position, and that's really important to me; that's one of the first things I look at when I say "does it make sense to do a deal?"

You've got a lot of very, very smart people standing by waiting for somebody else to do the work. Not a recipe for long-term solvency in my opinion.

We've waged war on work. We have collectively agreed, stupidly, that work is the enemy.

I wouldn't wish any specific thing for any specific person - it's none of my business. But the idea that a four-year degree is the only path to worthwhile knowledge is insane. It's insane.

Dirt used to be a badge of honor. Dirt used to look like work. But we've scrubbed the dirt off the face of work, and consequently we've created this suspicion of anything that's too dirty.

My mother's dad dropped out of the eighth grade to work. He had to. By the time he was 30, he was a master electrician, plumber, carpenter, mason, mechanic. That guy was, to me, a magician. Anything that was broken, he could fix. Anybody anywhere in our community knew that if there was a problem, Carl was there to fix it.

'Dirty Jobs' is a fun, simple little show with huge themes under it. For me, it's penance, it's redemption, it's a sweaty mess.

It's funny; it's a real balancing act. In TV, everybody's talking about authenticity. In order to make 'Dirty Jobs' authentic, I really can't be overly informed. The minute I am, I become a host... It's a very tricky business paying a tribute to work, because TV is very bad at it.

Every bad joke, every endorsement deal, all of the things that a typical host would normally get creamed for, people don't mind, because they know I don't cheat when it comes to the work I actually try. I'm a lab rat. I'm a perpetual apprentice. The joke is on me if there is one.

Why does a chicken coop only have two doors? ... Because if it had four doors, it would be a chicken sedan.

Opportunity usually shows up in overalls and looking like work.

Happiness does not come from a job. It comes from knowing what you truly value, and behaving in a way that’s consistent with those beliefs. Many people today resent the suggestion that they’re in charge of the way they feel.Those people are mistaken. That was a big lesson and I learned it several hundred times before it stuck. What you do, who you’re with, and how you feel about the world around you, is completely up to you.

[Marie84]

I've been watching his show when I come across it and yeah, he's a pretty obvious LSE, an Si subtype if such exists

[Park]

My tentative guess is ISTp.

[eunice]

ISTj?

[717495]

Fe-PoLR is a new one for me.

I believe he's Fe-ENFJ.

[Galen]

Probably EXFj. Reminds me of Dick Van Dyke in a way, I'm sure it's type-related.

[Park]

I believe he's Fe-ENFJ.

Probably EXFj. Reminds me of Dick Van Dyke in a way, I'm sure it's type-related.

I'm sure Ashton would agree.

[goggles]

Enfj, Enfp? Extrovert intuitive ethics, not sure in which order though. Could be ese, pretty sure he's not introvert and definitely ethics over logic.

[Park]

The guy is ego, that much is obvious.

[717495]

The guy is ego, that much is obvious.

Htf do you suppose that?

[Marie84]

The guy is ego, that much is obvious.

Very much agree.
I've already mentioned I think he's LSE on another thread (can't be bothered to search for it atm) with the possibility of ESE but I doubt weak Te is likely, especially after watching some of his speech from the clip, I think it was Bolt, posted
IMO the show Dirty Jobs is a good example of learning and applying Te skills in an Si manner

[munenori2]

delta st > alpha sf...si intellectual

[Beautiful sky]

The guy is ego, that much is obvious.

Very much agree.
I've already mentioned I think he's LSE on another thread (can't be bothered to search for it atm) with the possibility of ESE but I doubt weak Te is likely, especially after watching some of his speech from the clip, I think it was Bolt, posted
IMO the show Dirty Jobs is a good example of learning and applying Te skills in an Si manner

I agree with your post.

[Park]

Thanks for posting that video, mune. Provides interesting insight into the way he thinks and works with information.

dude's SiNe, not Beta by a long stretch

Delta or Alpha dynamic type

That is my impression, as well. The most apparent elements in Dirty Jobs are Si and Te, the focus being on the flow of physical processes and achieving productivity. The way he explains things in a "sequential" manner, spontaneously embellishing his speech and throwing in sarcastic jokes is something I identify with personally, and how dynamic Si (weak Ne) types talk in general, imo.

Poli is full of horse crap, and trolling as always.

[717495]

IMO the show Dirty Jobs is a good example of learning and applying Te skills in an Si manner

Te skills?

And what "Te skills" would those be? He comes off more conscious of and oriented to Fe to me, and very stereotypically Si-PoLR. Well, 'stereotypically' might be the wrong word since people are thinking he's Si for some strange reason. But definitely ENFJ > ESFJ > any Te ego.

My Ni-ENFJ dad also really digs his broad field of exhibition and loves his attitude and way of expression/connecting with his audience. Not basing it on that, but specifically seems like an Fe-ENFJ attitude to me that easily captures the attention of other Fe valuers. My dad, for one, shares the same globally applicable realism, humanitarian outlook and style of philosophy, that seems more Ni than anything else with a Ti-bent, and has an intrinsic kind of "big picture detachment" to it. Compare to what Si, Ne, or Te are said to focus on, or really what Delta STs are actually like. Coda: the list. Notice for one how none of them seem to value ? At least then we're getting somewhere.

dude's SiNe, not Beta by a long stretch

Such BS

I'm still curious about what people are seeing in him that's .

[yeves]

ESTj, they aren't the squeamish folk

I was surprising by many of the typings in this thread, notably that he's an EIE climbing into sewage for entertainment. aren't they "victim" types who prefer to pose themselves as a prize? what kind of prize is it that has just climbed out of a garbage can?

[Galen]

I was surprising by many of the typings in this thread, notably that he's an EIE climbing into sewage for entertainment. aren't they "victim" types who prefer to pose themselves as a prize? what kind of prize is it that has just climbed out of a garbage can?

no

[yeves]

no

why is this wrong? how much experience do you have with EIEs?

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...otic-Attitudes
"Healthy examples of this type will have a sense of self-esteem, and may think of themselves as the "prize" that will be given only to the rightful owner."

[Galen]

why is this wrong? how much experience do you have with EIEs?

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...otic-Attitudes

I experience EIEs as individuals with their own philosophies and idiosyncrasies and aspirations. Humans, if you will.

A broad overview of romantic styles (which are already pretty bleeeehhhhhggghghgh) has nothing to do with one's willingness to wade waist-deep in sewage.

[yeves]

I experience EIEs as individuals with their own philosophies and idiosyncrasies and aspirations. Humans, if you will.

A broad overview of romantic styles (which are already pretty bleeeehhhhhggghghgh) has nothing to do with one's willingness to wade waist-deep in sewage.

if you experience them as so individual and different, then why do you refer to all these different humans as a single homogeneous group "EIEs"?

[yeves]

[silke]

LSE sx/so 3w4

this doesn't really appeal to be Fe

Mike Rowe: "Most of the things I do brand wise are both missionary and mercenary in their position, and that's really important to me; that's one of the first things I look at when I say: does it make sense to do a deal?"

"Your happiness with your job has very little to do with the work itself."

"I've heard the same story from hundreds of professionals and skilled tradesmen, who followed opportunity—not passion—and prospered as a result."

[LJDL]

I've always felt there was something very "off" about the suggestion of an LSE typing for Mike Rowe, but I didn't know much about him. So I started reading about him and watching his show, and then it became clear to me - SEE.

This would explain why some people are suggesting EIE and ESE as typings. It's because he has strong 4D Fe, but it isn't valued.

Se-lead function: I think it's strange people are typing Mike Rowe as LSE when he clearly is not concerned with working in conditions that are safe, harmonious, and comfortable (as an Si-valuing type would). Harmony of his surroundings and working in optimal conditions is obviously not something he is interested in (Si-ignoring). Sociotype.com says Si-valuers have "an awareness of internal tangible physical states and how various physical fluctuations or substances are directly transferred between objects, such as motion, temperature, or dirtiness. The awareness of these tangible physical processes consequently leads to an awareness of health, or an optimum balance with one's environment." The awareness of motion, temperature, or dirtiness leads Si types to make adjustments to avoid the unpleasantness of experiencing them.

Mike Rowe does the complete opposite of this, deliberately putting himself in uncomfortable, unsafe, challenging environments. Many of Mike Rowe's jobs are not only "dirty", but also dangerous. He seems to enjoy putting himself in risky situations, and likes working dangerous jobs that pose a challenge. For example, rattlesnake catcher, hazardous waste remover, high rise window cleaner - all of these jobs contain an element of risk, of danger. He is drawn to that, and has mentioned that he considers it fun. He speaks out against "safe spaces" and encourages people to seek out challenges, to make themselves uncomfortable and push themselves. He is very pragmatic and not a dreamer, emphasizing the real world and following the market to fill roles that are needed in reality. He also places a lot of emphasis on being "engaging" and in interacting with the real world.

Prior to Dirty Jobs, Rowe admits he was aimless and didn't really know what to do for work. So he tried things out. He faked his credentials to get into the Baltimore Opera, then stayed with it because he liked it. He went to college for communications and then did work as a singer, narrator, host, and many other assorted jobs. All this alone would be very strange for LSE, but is typical of SEE, who likes to grab opportunities as they come. He's a natural entertainer and likes singing and performing. On Dirty Jobs, he is drawn to jobs that provide an unusual sensory experience. He seeks out these new experiences. He is impulsive and mentions that the only reason he ended up working at QVC is because a friend dared him to.

Another important aspect to note is that the entire show of Dirty Jobs is about Mike Rowe learning how to do jobs. He isn't the one teaching other people the best or most efficient work methods - he is the one learning it from others! The description for Dirty Jobs describes him as a "fearless apprentice". And what is an apprentice? "A person who is learning a trade from a skilled employer." This fits extremely well with SEEs, who want to be competent and have the desire to learn practical skills. In contrast, types with lead Te like LSE often do not like to be told how to work from others, and can become irritated if other people are teaching them how to do something. Types with low level valued Te, however (ESI, SEE, EII, IEE), appreciate this. Mike Rowe readily learns from others. He enjoys learning about jobs and work methods from other people. He says Dirty Jobs was inspired by his grandfather, who was a master handyman and tradesman by age 30. He admits that he himself, however, is not good at practical handy works and jokes that "the handy gene is recessive."

Te is his activating function, something he values, understands, and promotes. But it is not his natural strength. Instead, his natural strength and abilities seem to lie in the realm of action and people (Se-Fi). He understands people, knows what they want. He talked recently about how people found it offensive to be labeled "non-essential" workers. He mentioned that this kind of language alienates people. He has mentioned that the most rewarding part of his work is his ability to help people achieve through his foundation and scholarship programs. He also stresses an individualized approach to people, believing that every person has different abilities and that college is not for everyone. He also says, "Happiness does not come from a job. It comes from knowing what you truly value, and behaving in a way that's consistent with those beliefs. Many people today resent the suggestion that they're in charge of the way they feel." Fi in the creative position allows him to put aside likes and dislikes in favor of opportunities in the moment. He frequently encourages people to put aside their rigid standards and to just take action when possible.

Weak but valued Ni-suggestive can also be seen. Mike Rowe talks often of "opportunity" and advises people to seize opportunities rather than follow their passion. He encourages people to act right away, to take the first job that comes along (Se, weak Ni), as long as it is needed in the real world. He believes if one takes an opportunity, it may later develop into something they like. This is what he himself did, taking on his show without knowing for certain where it would lead him, but believing things would unfold naturally over time. This kind of thinking is typical for Gamma, who values time (Ni) over possibilities (Ne). For Gamma types, the best way to save time is to just choose something (decisive Quadra) and become competent in it. No need to look at the possibilities. Exploring possibilities wastes time that could be spent building competency - the ultimate Gamma sin. However, this kind of thinking is not valued in Delta. In Delta Quadra, exploration of possibilities and then maximizing abilities in many areas is greatly respected.

Finally, vulnerable Ti is also evident. He speaks out against the idea of putting people in boxes, and of applying one concept or framework to the entire population. "When did it make sense to say one size fits everybody? It never ever ever made sense to do that, and yet we're still selling education the same way we sold it when you and I were in high school." He also says that people who have too many "rules" or are set too many boundaries are limiting themselves from the mass amount of opportunities that exist. For example, when describing a woman who has had trouble dating, he says "She complains about being alone, even though her rules have more or less guaranteed she'll stay that way. She has built a wall between herself and her goal. A wall made of conditions and expectations." To SEEs, rules are simply a wall that get in the way of present moment opportunities. He also dislikes the idea of labeling people, as was mentioned earlier.

Gamma Quadra, more than any other quadra, is preoccupied with work. Stratiyevskaya describes them as the Quadra who fears "tied hands". In Gamma, the most important thing is that you are working, regardless of the kind of work it is. As a democratic quadra, they also do not like to make a distinction of certain groups or professions being better or higher than others. Rowe acknowledges this when he says, "The flaw in our character is our insistence on separating blue-collar jobs from white-collar jobs, and encouraging one form of education over another." This kind of mentality is in contrast to aristocratic quadras like Delta. For example, library.socionic.info describes aristocratic quadras (Beta/Delta) as saying, "I separate people based on their professional capabilities. First: to what social and economic status the person belongs to. Second: is he a professional or not, the way he conducts himself, his individual qualities." Mike Rowe does not have this kind of mentality. He is a democratic type.

So there you have it, my argument for why Mike Rowe is SEE.
Thanks for reading, I have a tendency to get carried away with these typings but I really enjoy it and I think it's more important to provide evidence for every typing.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

why isn't he SLE?

[717495]

why isn't he SLE?

Because he seems too Si. If you pay attention to the show, his sensory reactions and coping methods are all Si related, which also makes his method of delivery comical and relateable to Si-valuers, the main premise of the show.

[mfckr]

Always thought Fe-ENFj.

[glam]

he seems base to me.